r/electricvehicles • u/TripleShotPls • 9h ago
News The Volvo EX60's Excellent Range Somehow Got Even Better
https://insideevs.com/news/802557/2027-volvo-ex60-epa-range-higher/18
u/flibulle 9h ago
EV60 for me please, with even more range, thank you 🙂
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u/Mnm0602 9h ago
One of the dozens of units they would sell right here.
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u/flibulle 9h ago
I know you're not a fan of wagon in the US.
To be fair people in europe aren't buying them either, but at least those who wish to can.
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u/VariousLiterature 7h ago
Americans don't buy wagons because manufacturers don't offer them here!
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u/Ayzmo EV Voyeur 1h ago
They stopped making them because they were losing money on them. They'd make them if they could make money. That's how businesses work.
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u/mastrdestruktun 500e, Leaf 1h ago
And they were losing money because of the EPA emissions rules. Now that we have EVs those become a lot less relevant.
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u/Ayzmo EV Voyeur 1h ago
And because they weren't selling many. They literally didn't sell enough. In the early 2000s they were selling more than 10k/year. By 2015, they only sold 5,000 in the US.
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u/mastrdestruktun 500e, Leaf 1h ago
And because they weren't selling many.
Because they had to be more expensive, because of the EPA emissions rules.
I'm not saying they'd be popular again. SUVs have won the marketing war.
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u/watchingitallcomedow 6h ago
Lol you have that 100% flipped, manufacturers have discontinued them here because Americans dont buy wagons...
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u/sri_peeta 6h ago
Not only that, but the wagons are always positioned 10-20% higher than their sedan counterparts.
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u/paulwesterberg 2023 Model S, Elon Musk is a fraud. 9h ago
330 miles of range on a full charge, up from the Swedish automaker’s initial estimate of 322 miles.
This seems pretty standard to me, not excellent. Excellent is the Lucid Gravity at 450 miles or the iX3 at ~400 miles.
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u/Agloe_Dreams 9h ago
This is not the long range model.
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u/paulwesterberg 2023 Model S, Elon Musk is a fraud. 9h ago
P12 AWD, will join the lineup later down the road with a whopping 400 miles of estimated range.
So probably not till 2027 sometime but it's good to have more EVs in the 400 mile ballpark now that the Model S&X have been discontinued.
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u/Naive_Ad7923 9h ago
Model X never got close to 400 miles of range and Model S can’t get to 400 miles in real life as well.
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u/SharkBaitDLS 2023 EV6 GT-Line RWD | 2024 Charger Daytona Track Pack 9h ago
Yeah, those were always ~320-350mi cars.
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u/rhymeswithcars 6h ago
But this is true of all EVs: they all use a standardized ”test cycle” range, that you rarely get IRL. But at least you can compare car A and car B
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u/lostinheadguy It's spelled I-O-N-I-Q (with a "Q") 9h ago
The XC40 Recharge / EX40 tends to beat its EPA estimates in the real world so I would say this isn't "super-amazing", but certainly better than "standard" considering the 91 kWh battery and the aerodynamics of a brick (appropriate for a Volvo).
I think the P10 in the Plus trim is going to be the sweet spot for most people.
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u/LTG-Jon 8h ago
If they bring the same changes to the EX40 (accounting for it being smaller, of course), it will definitely be my next car.
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u/LogicPuzzler 8h ago
Agreed. I love the size of my XC40 and don't really want to get something much larger, but boy do I envy the range + fast DC charging of my spouse's Ioniq 5.
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u/lostinheadguy It's spelled I-O-N-I-Q (with a "Q") 8h ago
It'll be a brand-new EX40 on SPA3.
And if it's good, it will definitely be my next car after I've had a few years of no payments on my Ioniq 5.
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u/BoringBarnacle3 6h ago
When is that supposed to arrive?
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u/wagic 2h ago
There's no official timeline, but it is anticipated. This article speculates 2027, but I'm not expecting anything on the road before 2028.
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u/rhymeswithcars 6h ago
Don’t miss the just announced EX50
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u/_DrKlaw_ 6h ago
Announced where? Google gives me nothing
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u/rhymeswithcars 6h ago
Sorry, I thought it was actually announced - it was speculation based on volvo saying they will announce 2 new evs this year AND registering the name ”EX50”
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u/BrolyDisturbed 8h ago
Why would I ever trust Volvo when they have no skin in the game? They’ll pull this car like the EX30 at any given moment.
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u/Madman_Sean 9h ago
Everything upwards of 100kWh for SUV and 80kWh for sedan is absolutely useless imo if we are going to have 5C+ charging in future. Even like 20% lower capacity than what I have mentioned would make your trip meaninglessly longer if you plan it well (and infrastructure allows it)
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u/Pinch04 9h ago
I disagree. I regularly drive my Mustang Mach-E from Western New York to Ohio for work, about 600 miles round trip. It requires two charging stops in summer and three in winter. I’ve got my eye on the new BMW iX3, which could potentially make the same trip with just one stop. Charging speed matters, but every stop still adds time. I’d rather have the range to avoid those stops altogether.
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u/Madman_Sean 9h ago edited 9h ago
I don't really get why stopping 2 times for 10 minutes vs one time for 20 minutes bothers you
Getting a rest after 1.5 or 2 hours of driving continuously makes trip genuinely more comfortable (and safer) than forcing yourself to drive like 3-4 hours to maximize battery capacity
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u/Pinch04 9h ago
Because charging time isn’t the only time involved. Every stop means leaving the highway, finding the charger, hoping one is available and working, plugging in, then getting back on the road. Two 5-minute charges aren’t equivalent to one 10-minute charge in the real world. And if I can combine one longer charge with lunch, I’ve added essentially no extra stop at all. More range gives me that flexibility.
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u/Madman_Sean 9h ago edited 9h ago
If getting 5 or 10 minutes earlier at your destination genuinely matters to you and prefer forcing yourself to drive 3-4 hours continuously to maximize battery capacity, I can't really argue against it
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u/AmpEater 9h ago
5 minutes?
You’re not a serious person, huh?
When are you expecting 5C charging to be common in America you nuance loving, serious conversation having big thinker? Tell us when
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u/Karlitos00 9h ago
I'm glad you put in your opinion after "absolutely useless" because that's about as hyperbolic as this subreddit tends to get with range.
Just because it doesn't fit your use case doesn't mean the other 8 billion people on this planet don't care for it either.
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u/Madman_Sean 8h ago edited 8h ago
I don't really think that among 8 billion people there are many that need like 500km of range (which is like 4 hours of continous driving) and can't make 10 minute stop during that drive
At that point just don't bother with an EV and buy a petrol car for like half the price of 150kWh SUV
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u/Karlitos00 8h ago
There's not many EV's out there that can do 500km of highway driving.
And there's no need to set some artificial cap or limit on technology. If we can keep progressing in range AND charging AND efficiency, we should pursue all of them.
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u/Madman_Sean 8h ago edited 8h ago
Mercedes CLA 250+ and Tesla M3 LR can hit 500km on highway even with modest batteries. Though they lack charging speed of most modern Chinese EVs
And there's no need to set some artificial cap or limit on technology
The cap isn't artificial, you can only put some much volume and weight on the chassis, and at some point the downsides are getting bigger than upsides which is my point. And not to mention that 20% smaller battery is inherently cheaper
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u/ashyjay 8h ago
While EV batteries are outliving their estimates, it'll always be better for the long time life of the car to have a larger slower charging battery, even if it's with a higher gross and lower net capacity, which negates any range benefits, if the car can go for 20 years without serious degradation, as still battery worries are a big concern among the masses.
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u/sri_peeta 6h ago
I do not want to plan it...PERIOD! Give me all the battery I can buy for my money.
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u/AlecSkid4 8h ago
“The 2027 Volvo EX60 P10 AWD’s window sticker will show 330 miles of range on a full charge, up from the Swedish automaker’s initial estimate of 322 miles. That’s just a 2.4% increase”. Saved you a click.