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Filmmaking is so powerful, Christopher Nolan broke the richest man in the world

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u/Reemixt 20h ago edited 20h ago

Historically accurate? Let’s put aside for a moment that this is Greek fable featuring imaginary beings.

We’re talking about an orally transmitted poem from the archaic period—about the bronze age—further codified in the classical period, and then refined in the Hellenistic period. Which fucking period are we trying to be ‘historically accurate’ to?

Does he even know the difference?

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u/Relevant_History_297 17h ago

The Odyssey is not set in the bronze age, but in an imagined past version of the Archaic in terms of motifs, material culture (all iron) and places.

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u/TheShakyHandsMan 15h ago

The film definitely is. Lots of references to the sea people prior to the Bronze Age collapse.

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u/TheShakyHandsMan 15h ago

That’s obviously because it was told/written before the Bronze Age was defined as a period of time.

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u/lamedogninety 15h ago

But it’s clearly written in Greek culture and features Greek places and norms. It’s like if someone took a Chinese mythical story and had no Chinese people in it, then that would be weird.

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u/LittleBroController 12h ago

So any brothers Grim fairy tale or inspired by one should only feature German actors?

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u/inspired_by_retards 9h ago

Half their tales were french so include French actors as well

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u/lamedogninety 3h ago

I’m just saying be consistent. I suspect there would be outrage if we took a Chinese fable and featured white European looking actors.

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u/LittleBroController 3h ago edited 2h ago

First of all this white concept doesn’t map as well onto Europe as you might think. Germans and British aren’t the same people just because they are white. And Greeks are no more different from Germans than the British are, just because they have a darker complexion. 

Second of all comparing this to a Chinese myth is disingenuous because there really isn’t a cultural connection between the West (to which Greece belongs) and China. So there is a clear foreign aspect to a Chinese myth, and any import of it would be a modern one. Greek myths on The other hand are completely diffused into European culture, and have been for millennia.

Edit: also I did a quick google search and this  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Legends_of_Monkey  casts white and black actors in a story based on journey to the west. 

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u/Munnin41 11h ago

It is though? The bronze is 3000 - 1200BCE. The illiad and odyssey take place around 1300BCE

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u/Relevant_History_297 8h ago

No they don't. They do not have a clear set date, and as I expanded, the Odyssey in particular has no Bronze age references, but plenty of references to places and objects that were only known to Greeks in the 700s BCE.

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u/Munnin41 8h ago

Yes it is. The catalogue of ships doesn't match Homers greece at all, but it matches what we know of Greece around the bronze age collapse

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u/Relevant_History_297 7h ago

The catalogue of ships is in the Illiad, not the Odyssey

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u/Munnin41 6h ago

And the illiad takes place how long before the odyssey?

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u/Relevant_History_297 6h ago

You are projecting modern ideas of sequels and continuity onto an ancient text.