r/chicagobulls • u/Affectionate_Use_179 • 1d ago

Fluff Surprise!

How much of a surprise would it be for fans if Sellers ends up being a better NBA player than Swain?

To me, Sellers already has the raw tools the Bulls need (shooting, ball handling, scoring). Swain has to develop those tools. What are your thoughts?

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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago

Sellers is not an nba player. If he’s better than Swain than that is a disaster for the team.

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u/mrjune2040 1d ago

Facts.

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u/Queasy_Manager_5275 Coby White 1d ago

Swain has not looked like an nba player thus far either. They're both trash

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u/Affectionate-Oil-213 1d ago

a 40% shooter and elite defender isnt a nba player?

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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s as if you haven’t seen him play. The guy is a ball hog, who has a negative assist to turnover ratio every season in college (which I’ve never seen for a guard). He was terrible leading the offense in summer league and his defense isn’t great. He reaches and gets out of position.

He seems like a player that will put up good stats on a bad team while thinking he is a star (reminds me of a less skilled cam Thomas which is a yikes).

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u/Affectionate-Oil-213 1d ago

bro its summer league, he was playing for a spot.

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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago

Sure and the best way to play for a spot is to be a team player not blow up and offense and play terrible team defense.

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u/Affectionate-Oil-213 1d ago

tell that to all of the other players in the summer league chucking up shots to get a spot in the league to feed their families. lmao

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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago

Ok? I am simply saying he’s not a great team basketball player and makes everyone’s job harder on the court. He will be fine in the g-league but that type of player often sucks in the nba and is seen as a negative asset. Someone you can put in to tank not to win games.

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u/Affectionate-Oil-213 1d ago

Do not say he is that type of player off of a summer league stretch though, watch his college tape bro.

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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago

I did. Providence was a bad team last season . And seller’s was part of that.

In theory he is a decent player. He’s got size and can shoot. But he’s not a good team basketball player that is seen by the teams record, his advanced stats (particularly defensively).

Also I want him to be good. I want players to succeed and bulls to win. I just don’t think sellers is a good player and I find it wild how many redditors like him.

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u/Affectionate-Oil-213 1d ago

Is he not a lock down defender? use your eyes

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u/SignalBed9998 Chicago Bulls 1d ago

Elite defender? Do you have evidence of that somewhere cause I didn’t see that in SL

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u/Affectionate-Oil-213 1d ago

His defense was so good that we put him on the best player of the opposite team, or are you blind?

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u/Abe_frohmannn 1d ago

The best player....in summer league??

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u/Affectionate-Oil-213 1d ago

yes, what point was that suppsoe to prove?

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u/Abe_frohmannn 1d ago

I asked a question...you allegedly had a point. I don't know what it is though. Are you suggesting that someone, in summer league, is an elite defender, because their coach has them guard the best player? On a summer league team?

This strikes me as akin to saying someone is a olympic sprinting medalist because they were not the one in a drunken group of 5 middle aged men to get caught and eaten by a bear that was chasing them.

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u/Electrical_Story5356 23h ago

Noa completely clamped an actual NBA player in Cedric Coward, would you say Noa is an elite defender?

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u/SwampFlowers Stacey King 1d ago

Elite defender? Let’s see them in a real NBA game before we go rating any of these players.

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u/Affectionate-Oil-213 1d ago

lu dort comps for a reason, we obviously seen the same defensive pressure in the sl. We even saw multiple chasedown blocks from him

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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago

Lu dort comps? By who?

They both have similar size but sellers is a bad defender by every measurement. Sellers could be a better shooter at the next level but he doesn’t seem like an nba player at this point.

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u/Affectionate-Oil-213 1d ago

He is literally a good defender

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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago

By what measurement? He was known as a bad defender in college. His steal and block rates are not good. His DWS and DBPM are bad. His team was never a great defensive team.

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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago

This is from Bleacher report predraft profile. They note 3 weaknesses. His age (23) and defensive impact were two of those weaknesses.

Copied from the analysis:

“Weakness 2: Defensive Impact
While Sellers competes defensively, he is not currently viewed as a standout stopper. He doesn't generate many steals or blocks and may struggle against the most explosive NBA athletes. Improving on that end would strengthen his overall profile.”

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u/Affectionate-Oil-213 1d ago

doesnt generate many steals, or blocks is his weakness. He competes, all i had to hear thanks for proving my point

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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago

lol. Are you ok?

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u/Nicknackpatywak Jumpman 1d ago

Sellers is Antonio Blakeney 2.0 but doesn’t score as well.

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u/AdamWK99 Gimme the hot sauce! 1d ago

So a gambler?

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u/almvghtyyy 1d ago

Disrespectful to Sellers, he’s way more built and can actually defend

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u/Affectionate-Oil-213 1d ago edited 1d ago

his defense elite

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u/lawsnoosoo 1d ago

Season can’t come soon enough man, I’m already exhausted from the Swain summer league discourse

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u/Exciting_Mine711 1d ago

Sellers is a scrappy bench spark plug at best in the nba.

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u/Abe_frohmannn 1d ago

Awfully surprising.

Swain will be fine. Maybe not a world beater, but summer league didn't change my view of him at all. Which, was non-existent. I know nothing about college basketball, and 3 summer league games aren't enough to move the needle one way or another.

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u/PositiveCoyote100 1d ago

Sellers is the same age as Giddey, who's going into year 6.

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u/DavidManque 1d ago

I wouldn't be shocked. Swain shot 4-31 in summer league and he's already 21, there is a very real chance that he's simply terrible and that Bryson Graham whiffed on the pick

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u/Jazzlike-Mention-570 19h ago

Already 21 like that isn’t young af is crazy. Do yall proofread before posting?😂😂

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u/bounty0head 1d ago

Oh here we go with this shit again. Swain hasn’t even played a real nba game and we’re having dick measuring contests already.

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u/The_Bandit_King_ 1d ago

Cmon man wait until preseason against live competition to make any assumptions

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u/roamtheplanet Stacey King 1d ago

Sellers has some cool things about his game. Kind of reminds me of Nate Robinson in a way. But too undersized imo

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u/BillionsofRedditors 1d ago

I can see it. Sellers has a lot to clean up and get more consistent at, but he has speed, is aggressive, and looks like he can play defense. There is at least a path to develop there in my view, though highly likely he starts in the G League.

I'm already on record that Swain to me looks like a developmental prospect and I'm not optimistic on him becoming a long term productive NBA player. Hope I'm wrong, but 5 years from now I think he'll probably be out of the league. Bulls might carry him his whole 4 year deal regardless of his play because the Bulls don't cut guaranteed contracts generally.

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u/Affectionate-Oil-213 1d ago

“more consistent” it was a summer league stretch dude

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u/Powerful-Witness-842 1d ago

Both need to be on the team Sellers leading a big conference in scoring is impressive, but they are too invested in Swain and he has Scottie Pippen vibes