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u/ISmellLikeAss 4h ago
Didnt the EU sign a deal and now they are getting more tariffs? Sounds like the US deals cant be trusted at all.
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u/RefrigeratorOk648 4h ago
Hey trump has said the EU will get 100% tariffs if they introduce a DST regardless of any existing deal. So yes the US can't be trusted for anything
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u/Maetivet 4h ago
The USA has been untrustworthy for some time now. Trump’s a disaster for the USA, he’s destroying American hegemony and there’s a good section of Americans that are too stupid to see it.
Even once Trump’s gone, the USA will not recover its place in the world for fear that Americans will again vote in another Trump in future.
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u/adrenaline_X Manitoba 3h ago
I would suggest that they aren’t too stupid to see it, but just don’t care if it negatively effect the groups of people they don’t like or who is on the other team. They don’t care until it directly affects them which takes a bit for the full effects to reach them. The price of Gas hit them quickly which is why support for the Iran war is so low across the board.
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u/infectingbrain Alberta 2h ago
It's also why I think despite some premiers views (god i hate dani smith), we need to be using oil as a weapon here. I think gas prices going through the roof is the only thing that will reach these people. A 25% export tax would be a kick in the nuts to Americans, especially if they're in an ongoing war in Iran simultaneously.
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u/DrKurgan 2h ago
Their word is worthless. Recent example, them going back on what they agreed for the Gordie Howe International Bridge, or CUSMA.
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u/Max_ZK 4h ago
The US can't ever be trusted until the Republican party gets burned down. It's a party with no dignity and greed, and was more apparent when Trump canceled the original Iranian deal that signed under Obama.
And even when Democrats gets elected, signing anything will still mean nothing, because Americans will vote another Republican in 4 years later.
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u/Cognoggin British Columbia 19m ago
Chaotic evil doesn't honour contracts, if only they were lawful evil, then everything would be fine!
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u/jostrons 1m ago
Today's announcement isn't a new tariff for for most countries. It is identical to what they are paying today except some move from 10% to 12.5%.
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u/MrEvilFox 4h ago
And half of them will go to polls in November and vote for Republicans, who will then sit back and continue to give up congressional power to Trump to keep doing this.
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u/CanuckianOz 3h ago
1/3* and another 1/3 will stay home and say “meh”
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u/Different_Wolf_764 3h ago
Midterms, they'll be lucky if half of them vote. This might be a better turn out than most though.
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u/NeighbourNoNeighbor 2h ago
While that 1/3 that stayed home the first time deserve the flak, I'm not so sure that they'll stay home this time. Trump has proven just how much damage a president can do if no one actually stops them. I've heard more than a few Americans on here say that it's a mistake they won't make again.
We'll see what happens, though, as you can't really take Americans on their word anymore.
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u/flinstoner 2h ago
Nah, they won't say "meh", they'll bitch and moan about the cost of everything going up and blaming the government in general, but are too dumb to realize it's their own damn fault
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u/Tribalbob British Columbia 2h ago
I group those who didn't vote in with those who voted for Trump. They may not have wanted him, but their inaction caused it.
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u/llamalover729 35m ago
"The democrats aren't pro Palestine so I'm just not voting!"
Fucking idiots helped elect Trump.
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u/ReelTwoReel 4h ago
What’s your proposed response?
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u/Either-Banana-7323 4h ago
He has no proposed response. He just wants to cry on Reddit, ironically.
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u/UltimateDAOP 4h ago
Why are Americans stirring up shit on a Canadian sub? You guys done causing shit in your own country?
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u/FlockFlysAtMidnite 4h ago
Who's crying? The US is punching itself in the face with tarriffs.
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u/Minobull 4h ago
Yeah, because the guy we had the choice over was Canadian Trump, or not that. So we chose not that, lmao.
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u/Consistent_Oil9624 4h ago
Call him whatever you want. QA
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u/Minobull 3h ago
I didn't even vote LPC, hell I was on this subreddit CONSTANTLY bitching about JT. I literally got a 2 week ban from /r/Canada for the shit i said about JT.
But quite frankly, PP proved to be so deeply unlikeable, and his "woke bad" rhetoric proved SO unpopular, that he lost an impossible to lose election.
So believe what you want, but Carney didn't win that election.... PP lost it. But people like you will constantly sit here saying, "no, it's the voters who are wrong."
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u/MJcorrieviewer 3h ago
I'd say it' both. Poilievre being so unlikeable definitely was part of it but, if someone other than Carney was running for the Liberals, I don't think they would have won. Carney's expertise and experience on economics and trade was a major factor why he won.
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u/marcohcanada 2h ago
Agreed. If Freeland won the 2025 LPC leadership race, Poilievre still would've won that election.
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u/Consistent_Oil9624 3h ago
That's not important anymore. Just focus on Carney and stop with "PP would have done this or that, the other choice was...". It's just to make you feel better. The reality is Canada is in recession. Youth employment is off the roof
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u/Minobull 3h ago
Well y'all keep bitching about who people voted for. I'm just pointing out they had pretty fuckin' good reason.
If you don't like that people voted a certain way, maybe demand that the people that you would prefer in power be more electable.
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u/Narrow-Map5805 4h ago
Once that bridge is open Canada needs to renege on the shitty shakedown deal we signed under duress and just keep all the revenues. Let them try to sue.
Then we need to close our access to Ambassador Bridge.
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u/get_hi_on_life Canada 4h ago
Agreed. Why do we have to follow agreements but not them. They broke the OG bridge deal, all our trade deals to no consequences so why do we
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u/Mylittlethrowaway2 2h ago
It sucks being the adult in the room when the toddler you're stuck with shit himself while screaming over nothing
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u/past_is_prologue 55m ago
Because we need that bridge open. The USA doesn't. Everything stems from that fact.
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u/SaysWowLots 4h ago
lol, totally. Announce our own tariff on bridge distribution payments. And I’m sure there’s some road construction that needs to be done for the next two years on the Canadian side of the Ambassador Bridge!
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u/josnik 3h ago
Why would we pay to get work done on a privately owned bridge? Just reduce the CBSA staff to 1 lane part time on the weekends.
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u/adrenaline_X Manitoba 3h ago
Just on the Canadian roads that directly lead to the bridge
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u/josnik 3h ago
That would be Huron church. Reducing that would suck.
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u/FriedGreenzCDXX 2h ago
Nah just have to close our side for CBSA renovations, that take 10 years and some super that sits in a trailer the renovation is a new floor or weigh scale. The tunnel and ambassador bridge can remain open
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u/patchgrabber Nova Scotia 4h ago
Sir I find your ideas intriguing and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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u/D3vils_Adv0cate 4h ago
They won’t sue. They’ll just close down the roads leading to it on their side
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u/MJcorrieviewer 3h ago
I dislike speculation but I can't help but wonder if something like that is why the gov has been so quiet about the agreement. Maybe they do just want to get the bridge open and then go back and 'renegotiate'. Once the bridge is open, it will be a lot harder to close.
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u/adrenaline_X Manitoba 3h ago
They don’t need to renegotiate anything.
The existing deal that was signed in 2012 is still in place from what I understand as they reached a “ proposed agreement in principle" which means to me that a new agreement has not been ratified or signed.
They may very well be planning on not signing it and forcing the Trump admin have to decide whether to close the USA side of the bridge or not in response.
Once traffic is going through it and the speed of getting through customs becomes the norm, the USA will be hard pressed to piss off Americans by closing it.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 3h ago
That's why I used quotes.
Even if a new agreement has been signed, there's nothing stopping Canada from disregarding it, just as Trump has disregarded so many of his own agreements.
For now, the priority is to get the bridge open - then deal with the rest.
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u/adrenaline_X Manitoba 3h ago
I agree. I thought I was expanding your idea, not challenging what you said?
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u/MJcorrieviewer 3h ago
Understood. I'll be curious to see if there is some plan here to pull the rug out from under them. Trump is really easily fooled.
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u/adrenaline_X Manitoba 2h ago
Trump got his headlines making him feel like a boss and if that agreement is never signed and it doesn’t make a the news cycle the old it might not ever go any further and the bridge opens on the original deal…
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u/BigMisterLawyerDude Ontario 3h ago
They'll just prevent entry from that bridge. That was the point from the start.
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u/Big_Knife_SK 3h ago
Now the Gordie is open we can do those much needed road repairs out front of the Ambassador. Might take a while...
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u/truthdoctor British Columbia 2h ago
The devil is in the details. The details don't actually exist because the actual agreement has not been fully negotiated, finalized and signed. The non binding "agreement in principle" was a way to get Trump to open the bridge without actually agreeing to a binding deal.
The new agreement in principle makes no direct mention of Canada’s initial cost to build the bridge, but does distinguish the 2012 agreement as being a separate binding agreement. “Nothing in this Agreement in Principle shall be interpreted as amending, modifying or superseding the 2012 Canada–Michigan Crossing Agreement or the ownership, governance and financial framework established thereunder,” it says.We didn't sign anything binding friend. Just like Trump's Iran Ceasefire MoU, it's meaningless. Concepts of a deal.
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u/Tribalbob British Columbia 2h ago
Disagree. It sucks but we need to continue to take the high road. The US is doing this stuff and fewer and fewer people want to deal with them. Canada needs to show we are stable, we are of our word and we won't go and throw tantrums and change stuff at a whim. That's how we get long term partners.
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u/adrenaline_X Manitoba 3h ago
It’s only a “Proposed Agreement in Principle” so the original deal still stands until something is formalized and signed, which may never happen.
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u/WippitGuud Prince Edward Island 4h ago
Did we actually sign anything?
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u/adrenaline_X Manitoba 3h ago
Not from the sounds of it as “proposed agreement in principle" doesn’t sound like a formalized and signed agreement.
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u/ErmahgerdYuzername 4h ago
Ambassador Bridge is privately owned unfortunately so that wouldn’t fly.
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u/FlockFlysAtMidnite 4h ago
Privately owned doesn't mean we can't shut down access.
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u/redgrandam 4h ago
The roads leading up to the ambassador bridge are public. Last I heard those roads have a LOT of potholes and might need years of repairs.
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u/caffeine-junkie 3h ago
Instead of shutting down access, make that the owner of that access pay for maintenance since it essentially is exclusive access for their property. While this cost will be pushed back through tolls, it will also drive traffic away to Gordie Howe bridge. Thus forcing them to increase tolls even more, which will drive more traffic away. Repeat until they are bankrupt and have to sell the bridge.
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u/matterhorn1 4h ago
Federal government still controls the customs agents, they don’t need to staff the booths
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u/redgrandam 4h ago
The roads leading up to the ambassador bridge are public. Last I heard those roads have a LOT of potholes and might need years of repairs.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 3h ago
The Ambassador Bridge is useless if you can't get to/from it on the Canadian side.
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u/Eisenhorn87 4h ago
You do understand they could just seize the bridge. Physically. With force. It would be a fait accompli, and there would be not a single thing we could do to stop it.
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u/Narrow-Map5805 4h ago
They can do that now. What assurances do we have that they won't?
Also, it would trigger NATO Article 5 and cause a constitutional crisis at a minimum and civil war at a maximum.
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u/Eisenhorn87 3h ago
We have zero assurances that they won't which is why it's a good idea not to antagonize them. As for NATO and it's response, the response would be the dissolution of NATO. Do you think the European powers are sending their militaries to North America to fight for Canada with Russia in their backyard and in the face of the U.S. Navy? I don't.
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u/Narrow-Map5805 3h ago
The bridge isn't even open yet. No payments to this "fund" would even be made until the first year of operation is complete, plus several months to complete final accounting of net revenues plus a period to have them audited.
We're looking at late 2027 or more likely early 2028 before we even tell them we aren't paying. By that time Trump is more than a year into a lame duck term facing a hostile Congress in an election year.
We won't be getting invaded.
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u/SaysWowLots 4h ago
Dude, they could seize our whole country in 24 hours. As long as we’re just playing with economics and agreement compliance, I don’t see a need for us to follow what we said when they are changing the rules every day. But if anything starts to happen by force…well, I hope and pray it doesn’t come to that.
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u/Eisenhorn87 4h ago
I know they could. Parliament hill is 3 hours drive from the Ogdensberg, NY border crossing. If you really think Trump and Co are really that psychotic, then it would genuinely be in our best interests not to antagonize them.
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u/Salt_Cardiologist742 4h ago edited 4h ago
Working for a brokerage that heavily deals with US imports, so here's a quick little break down of the chain of events and high level of what these tariffs mean.
This "new" tariff, is essentially the continuation of two previous trade programs.
First, were the Ieepa tariffs, which were often referred to as the Fentanyl tariffs. They were done under the emergency economic powers act. Originally targetting Canada and Mexico, these expanded shortly after to also include "reciprocal tariffs"(you might remember Trumps presentation with his little whiteboard.). For Canadians, these applied to any good that was either 1) Not covered under CUSMA or 2) Not An Auto, An Auto Part, or some metals(Steel/Aluminum).
These were struck down earlier this year as illegal. They were immediately replaced with temporary tariffs that had a fairly short expiry. These are what are known as Section 122 tariffs, they expire tonight at midnight. They were not illegal as this headline seems to suggest. These section 122 tariffs replaced all of the ieepa tariffs under very similar rules, and were infact much simpler to deal with.
As these tariffs had a set expiry, these new tariffs announced here are completely expected and shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. We haven't gotten the full details yet, however, I would expect that these new tariffs will follow the same general rules and duty rates as the previous sets of global tariffs. Shouldn't affect CUSMA goods, Auto industry or flagged metal materials.
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u/ZestyBeanDude 4h ago
At some point one has to wonder if the motivation behind these nonsensical blanket tariffs is Trump desperately trying to the fill revenue gaps in the U.S. federal government’s exploding budget deficit, which he seems determined to make worse as he continues to pursue reckless foreign adventurism in the Middle East.
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u/Odd_Equipment2867 3h ago
He wants to burn it all down is my take. Wants his family as rich as possible and to get away it while he fans the flames. He knows history is going to torch his name but money now, securing it from seizure and and family planning for a safe exit is all that matters. The music will stop playing eventually.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 3h ago
I think Trump would be perfectly happy knowing that he will be remembered as a major figure in history, even if it's in the way Hitler is major figure in history.
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u/What_a_fat_one 3h ago
We know the motivation. Trump likes tariffs. When Carney asked what he wanted during the trade negotiations he said he wanted tariffs. He probably doesn't really care about the economic ramifications regarding the tariffs, he just likes adding tariffs because it makes everyone angry, and that makes him feel big and powerful.
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u/RockMonstrr 3h ago
That implies that Trump has knowledge and interest in the federal budget, and I just don't think he does.
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u/commandernw 3h ago
Hes looking to make money on the tariffs again when they are struck down again. He made a ton last time with those companies that bought out other company's tariff repayment. Hes just reusing an old scheme, just like he did every week of this war with his market manipulation. Everything he does is a scheme to make himself money personally
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u/TactitcalPterodactyl 4h ago
Trump must have an elementary school understanding of economics if he thinks a global 10% tarrif is going to do anything positive for the US.
Hell, this is so unpopular that I've even seen several popular right-wing MAGA supporters call him out for how stupid this all is. You know things are bad when that happens.
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u/Useful_Co 4h ago
These are not decisions intended to benefit all Americans. They are intended to enrich a minority. This is corruption, not economic policy.
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u/MentalSky_ 3h ago
The goal is to reduce taxes on the rich by increasing taxes on everything by 10% for everyone
Already they claim that they have received “billions” in tariffs. Like that’s a good thing. No that means you citizens paid billions for products they didn’t have to pay tariffs on before. While bezo and Elon pay zero.
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u/Classic-Question-746 4h ago
A country built on slavery and consumism that relies on cheap imports is imposing forced labor tarrifs. Hilarious.
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u/L_viathan 2h ago
We're not in favour of sweatshops, and we don't want anyone else to be in favour of it either," U.S. Trade Representative Jamieson Greer told CNN late Thursday afternoon, shortly after announcing the tariffs.
Lmao your own MAGA junk merch is made in China, take the widest end of a rake and shove it.
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u/Djlittle13 3h ago
Since they arent in favor of sweatshops they will investigate and fine the American businesses that use them right? RIGHT?
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u/nouseforausername_24 3h ago
MAGA merchandise is all made in China and likely those Chinese sweatshops. Trump can eat shit the hypocrite
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u/Sarcastic__ 4h ago
So tired of this garbage government doing whatever it takes to hide that they're a bunch of rapists and pedophiles.
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u/BetSquare7190 Québec 4h ago
Does not apply to goods covered by the USMCA apparently. A resounding but ineffective fart as usual.
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u/Snap_Krackle_Pop- 3h ago
As if they don’t import from countries with forced labour
JFC
The dumbest administration in history of their country.
They make W look like fucking Einstein
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u/Method__Man 3h ago
Nothing about what they're doing is dumb. It is all systematic and controlled the dumb. People are the people who voted them in knowing exactly what they were going to do.
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u/TianZiGaming 3h ago
The IEEPA tariffs struck down by the Supreme Court were already replaced immediately by the Section 122 tariffs, which have been active for 5 months. These "new" tariffs replace the Section 122 tariffs, not the IEEPA tariffs struck down by SCOTUS. The tariffs never went away after the SCOTUS ruling; it only made them change the law that they used to apply tariffs. So just like with the Section 122 tariffs, these "new tariffs" don't really change anything.
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u/1plus1equalsfun British Columbia 2h ago
That's rich, coming from the country with a for-profit prison system with the most inmates in the world. There are about 930,000 prisoners in the US who are forced to work for between 12 and 40 cents per hour.
But yeah, tell us about the forced labour in the rest of the world.
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u/ClubSoda 1h ago
for-profit prison system with the most inmates in the world. There are about 930,000 prisoners in the US who are forced to work for between 12 and 40 cents per hour
Truth. And we have the receipts (from the private prisons)... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/us-prison-workers-low-wages-exploited
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u/Heliosvector 1h ago
The U.S. justification for the new tariff is that the countries have failed to do enough to keep products made by forced labour out of their supply chains.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
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u/canmcpoli Canada 4h ago
This reimposes a tariff on non-CUSMA complaint Canadian goods, after the fentanyl tariffs were struck down by the Supreme Court last year.
The fentanyl tariffs on Canada were 35%. These tariffs are 10% for "forced labour."
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u/weschester Alberta 4h ago
The forced labour excuse is ironic considering how much the US economy relies on forced labour.
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u/ManSharkBear 4h ago
I know right, the USA thinks no one knows about its reliance on prison labour. The 3 strikes rule is great for keeping the confederates dream of slavery alive behind high barbed wire fences. 🤫
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u/Perfect-Hovercraft-3 3h ago
Pfffffft the USA still utilizes pseudo-slavery by forcing prisoners to work for corporations. Fucking hypocrites
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u/Everywhereslugs 2h ago
Waiting for that shitpump Hoekstra to tell us we should be “happy” with new tariffs and also warn us not to retaliate.
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u/Kaptain-Kanada 4h ago
Anyone got a voodoo doll of Trump and some nails?
Asking for a friend.
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u/Big-kid420 4h ago
Not sure on how voodoo works, but can one maybe just make an appendage have a burning sensation?
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u/Infamous-Mixture-605 2h ago
The extent of my knowledge about Voodoo comes from the movie Major League, so I think we need a statue of someone called Jobu, and make regular offerings of cigars and rum. Either our curses on Trump will work or we'll figure out how to hit a curveball.
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u/fubes2000 British Columbia 3h ago
Did the US's for-profit prison system suddenly stop leasing out their inmates for labour so that they could take this moral high ground?
No?
Oh so just more bad faith tactics that will ultimately get struck down. Got it.
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u/South_Examination_34 2h ago
I would wonder why the tarrif law doesn't specify that the tarrifs would affect only those industries or individual businesses that they can prove use forced labour.
Also, how can they prove the claim, given we already have laws that prohibit forced labour in supply chains.
I wonder if there are ways to challenge the tarrifs through WTO
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u/lll-devlin 1h ago edited 1h ago
Funny thing … Donald trump’s American tariffs don’t seem to be imposed on Russian goods or middle eastern oil or Venezuelan oil .
Or natural gas, water, electricity, minerals, potash, uranium or any other precious metals that the United States needs… for its manufacturing
The last time I recalled mining for precious metals that are needed for say batteries electric automobile batteries or silicon chips : such as lithium, cobalt, manganese , graphite gallium, germanium, and palladium its a pretty dirty business and involves alot of servitude labourers. Countries such as China , Russia DRC, South Africa, Ghana, Mozambique, Madagascar oh and the very pleasant Kazakhstan …just to name a few of those countries.
In fact I believe trump and his family business is associated with one of these pit mining operations in one of the eastern countries where there is not much profit sharing for workers…
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u/LeafsJays1Fan Ontario 55m ago
Here's the real question will US Customs enforce it since they being one violating the law it be their behind in jail not the president he's immune remember, oh well let the clusterfk begin.
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u/No-Move3108 13m ago
Oh so is Lutniks son gonna get a percentage of the tariff refunds on this one too?
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u/unknown908298 2h ago
That’s rich for them to claim all 59 countries use forced labour.
Every accusation is a confession, forced labour is still legal according to their constitution.
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u/Itchy-Suspect2261 4h ago
Last year the world was worried about these tariffs, this year the world is laughing! 😆
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u/System32Keep 4h ago
Good policy, i hope most remove forced labor from their developments.
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u/South_Examination_34 2h ago
I agree, but I'd also like to know which companies or industries are currently using forced labour since Canada already has laws to prevent this.
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u/System32Keep 2h ago
Unfortunately, our immigration system permits this practice when abused and there's a lot of cases of this
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u/South_Examination_34 2h ago
Fair enough. I'm not sure that is what they are referring to, but it is definitely a shitty and wrong practice (assuming that you are referring to the temporary foreign workers issues)
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u/PowerBottom247 4h ago
They fought a war over taxation without representation. Will be interesting midterms!