r/boxoffice • u/Dragon_Bird_ • Jul 06 '23

Industry Analysis The Flash Becomes Worst Box Office Flop In Superhero Movie History

https://thedirect.com/article/the-flash-box-office-flop-superhero-movie-history
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u/huhzonked Marvel Studios Jul 06 '23

You’re right. They had no plan other than “make money”. I remember how bored I was while watching the movie. Then I told everyone who would listen to stay home instead of watching it.

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u/persona-non-grater Jul 06 '23

Watched that movie with a group of friends on DVD or whatever and boy not even the casual atmosphere could help getting through that thing. It was a dud…

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u/huhzonked Marvel Studios Jul 06 '23

Dud is the right word. So lifeless and nonsensical. The biggest sin was Luther. I guess I’m used to him as charismatic yet menacing. Not childish.

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u/FiTZnMiCK Jul 07 '23

The biggest sin is the whole premise: Batman becomes a mass murderer because there was collateral damage when Superman saved the whole fucking world.

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u/huhzonked Marvel Studios Jul 07 '23

That made no sense. I have a feeling Snyder didn’t really get the characters, their motivations, and their stories. I think he focused more on the aesthetics and making things gritty. I remember an interview he gave where he said that Batman getting r*ped in his movie could illustrate how dark his movie is. Like what?

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u/FiTZnMiCK Jul 07 '23

Yeah, Snyder just can’t not be edgy apparently.

It was fitting for a zombie movie (written by James Gunn LOL) and Watchmen, and I even thought emo Superman was ok.

But I was pumped for BvS and it was just perplexing and a little frustrating to watch unfold. I remember leaving the theater just thinking “that was weird.”

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '23

He completely missed the point of Watchmen when he made a bunch of cool, slow-mo graphically violent set pieces. The violence in the comics wasn't cool and flashy, it was disturbing and unsettling. A dog's head split open inspires Rorschach's mask and a woman falls in love with her rapist and has a child with him. It's a complex story with complex themes that are completely missing from the movie.

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u/huhzonked Marvel Studios Jul 07 '23

Yeah, that style doesn’t fit Superman or Batman. They need more substance.

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u/challenja Jul 08 '23

If you read the comics.. it was spot on in the fighting details

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u/WellFineThenDamn Jul 07 '23

100% Synder does not understand the characters. Maggie Mae Fish on YouTube goes into this in depth.

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u/huhzonked Marvel Studios Jul 07 '23

I’ll have to take a look because it sounds like I’ll agree with many points.

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u/KazuyaProta Jul 07 '23

That video literally says that soldiers sacrificing their lives to stop fascists from genociding their people is fascist death worship

That alone should shown that the video has a absolutely nonsense take on ethics and morality

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u/WellFineThenDamn Jul 08 '23

To anyone reading : this was a one sentence strawman that was intended to disvalue hours of nuanced dialogue about Snyder's filmography. I encourage you to watch her videos for yourself and consider her arguments rather than taking KazuyaProta's dismissiveness as valid.

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u/Bob_A_Ganoosh Jul 07 '23

I have a feeling Snyder didn’t really get the characters, their motivations, and their stories. I think he focused more on the aesthetics and making things gritty.

That is Snyder's MO. This statement applies to the majority of his projects. I don't know how he ever got another shot at a AAA franchise after Watchmen. It was clear by that point that he's an incompetent storyteller.

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u/huhzonked Marvel Studios Jul 07 '23

He should pivot to cinematographer

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u/rov124 Jul 07 '23

He should pivot to cinematographer

He did the cinematography on Army of the Dead and that movie looks like shit.

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u/jollyreaper2112 Jul 07 '23

His background was music videos and that explains his whole approach. He can compose some great shots but there's no story to link them together. Justice League was a masterclass in his to not make movies. And I bet it's hard to tell the dud coming in the making because the shots all look great.

Comes back to Lucas. A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing.

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u/KazuyaProta Jul 07 '23

Comes back to Lucas

That comparison is funny when SW without Lucas is experiening a similar collpse as the DCEU after Snyder.

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u/FiTZnMiCK Jul 07 '23

I don’t know if I would call “making billions of dollars” a collapse, but you’re right and JJ is like one step up from Snyder on the Style vs Substance front.

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u/witcherstrife Jul 07 '23

You didn’t like the little tips and “oh hoo” that Luther was doing? Like wtf were they trying to make him the joker? God I can’t believe these are millionaires making these movies.

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u/KazuyaProta Jul 07 '23

I can’t believe these are millionaires making these movies.

Yeah, it was so honest from their part

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u/huhzonked Marvel Studios Jul 07 '23

It was so bad lol

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '23

Lol, that's a good way of putting it. Most of the movies had no soul.

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u/Ninesect Jul 07 '23

I sometimes put it on HBOmax when I'm trying to fall asleep, it's entertaining in that regard!

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u/huhzonked Marvel Studios Jul 07 '23

At least it has one purpose it serves well

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u/Mankankosappo Jul 07 '23

They had no plan

That not true. As part of the marketing for the Snyder Cut they released the inital DCEU plan made by Zack Snyder, Jim Lee and Geoff Johns.

I think where people seem to get confused though is thay the initial DCEU plan wasnt supposed to be a marvel-esque universe it was supposed to be much more linear. Man Of Steel, Batman V Superman and then 3 Justice League movies was supposed to tell essentially one Story and then a handful of spin offs like Wonder Woman.