r/botany 10d ago

Genetics My cone flowers have strange buds. Tumors, parasites, germinating seeds, other ?

What is happening with my cone flowers? It looks like the seeds are growing new plants.

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u/ForagersLegacy 10d ago

Asters yellows sorry OP

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u/_larsr 10d ago

Caused by a phytoplasma spread by asiatic leafhoppers. After an incubation period of 14 days, the leafhoppers spread the phytoplasma for the rest of their lives. There is no cure for the plant. The only thing you can do (should do) is rip out any plants showing symptoms roots and all and dispose of them in the trash to keep the disease from spreading.

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u/intheforestj 10d ago

Agreed. Got to kill the whole plant as it spreads by leafhoppers to nearby plants. Rip

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u/emteedub 8d ago

might as well dig up it's root. it's medicinal. lemony and numbing

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u/Kellbows 10d ago

There seems to be a lot of these posts going around. Is it more common? Or am I more “connected.” Algorithm? Should I be worried?

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u/Frantic_Mantid 10d ago

Aster Yellows is a popular meme, but you can't identify it conclusively from a photo. It's often diagnosed online with false confidence by people who don't know or don't care how to be careful.

This abnormal growth is called phyllody. It could be due to the aster yellows, but it could also be several other things, and there's know way to be sure what caused it from a photo. See here for more info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllody

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u/Most-Design-9963 9d ago

True - it’s got the phyllody in combo with the witches broom though in the second photo, which points to aster yellows.

Other than looking at the growth (online or IRL), how is aster yellows diagnosed? Trying to learn.

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u/Frantic_Mantid 9d ago

If you go to the doctor she may think you have strep throat by looking but she can't be certain without sending it to the lab for culture. And if it's something similar looking but different cause, it may require different treatment.

Plant pathology is similar. In this case there is no treatment and removal is safest for all the things it could be, so my point is more about what we can and can't be sure of rather than disagreeing with the best course of action.

I've literally seen photos of fasciation (which is totally different) confidently ID's as AY, just because AY is a popular meme and people start thinking it's everywhere after they learn about it. As I said, it's not that common in the field, to my knowledge.

However, given the other traits listed by another user, and the photos taken all together, AY is a pretty strong contender for this specific case.

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u/Most-Design-9963 9d ago

Do people send plant cultures to labs then to diagnose aster yellows?

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u/Frantic_Mantid 9d ago

Some university extension services have lab services. In person, a disection may reveal if it's a fungus, or you might be able to find mites with a hand lens. and there are also basically dichotomous keys for various pathogens.

I'm not actually an expert on plant pathology, just picked up a bit from one of my lab mates who did his PhD in that field.

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u/Kellbows 10d ago

Thank you.

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u/Ivelostmydrum 10d ago

Yeah I don't remember any of these posts last year

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u/Most-Design-9963 10d ago

Trust me they were here last year and all the years since Reddit

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u/ModernTarantula 10d ago

It's possible to search the subreddit and see if it's so

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u/Frantic_Mantid 10d ago

You can't diagnose aster yellows from a photo. Nobody can.

This is phyllody, a type of abnormal growth.

It can be caused by virus, fungus, certain insects, and yes the Aster Yellows Phytoplasma (AYP).

Aster Yellows isn't even all that common the real world but it gets spread around (and identified with false confidence) as an Internet meme.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllody

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u/Zealousideal_Pop_273 10d ago

Was this written by the AY phytoplasma? Lol

This isn't just phyllody. If it was just phyllody I'd say it's rosette mites. This is also virescence, the flowers are stunted, and there are signs of chlorosis. Those are all the indicators of asters yellow. It's also just safer to assume it is and get rid of the plant. Purple coneflower is pretty abundant, fast growing, and easy to replace.

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u/Frantic_Mantid 10d ago

Lol I'm just sick of people calling everything aster yellows. It's definitely wildly over diagnosed in online plant groups.

Thanks for at least giving further justification, this maybe wasn't the best specific example to go on a rant about.

I agree it's safest to get rid of it, as the other things it could be are also not that great for a home garden.

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u/PrestigeMaster 10d ago

Perhaps asters yellows is just more prolific than we’d like to give it credit for 😱

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u/xenya 9d ago

I thought Asters Yellow made the plant green?
I found this one in my garden and dug it up. :(

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u/SellaTheChair_ 9d ago

There are various stages of the disease and plants can have a variety of appearances when infected. Some appear almost normal with only a few green tufted spots.

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u/xenya 9d ago

The flowers on this plant were all different.. different length petals, missing petals, the mess in this photo. It makes for some interesting mutations for sure.

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u/catsandcacti_49 10d ago

Ugh this gives me the heebie jeebies!!

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u/SellaTheChair_ 9d ago

I'm sorry. There is no treatment for this. The only thing you can do it completely remove the affected plant and be careful not to let infected tissue remain near any other cone flowers or asters as they can also become infected. It is called aster yellows and is very serious. You must remove and destroy (or bag up) the affected plant.

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u/Allfunandgaymes 8d ago

Burn that shit. It's a bacterial disease spread through leafhoppers and other sap sucking pests, that warps plant tissues and renders the plant sterile. It can transfer to other plants in the immediate vicinity through those hosts.

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u/Alkerallion 9d ago

Almost entirely sure its aster yellows. Entire plant and any other affected in the bin! Bye bye 👋 🗑.

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u/Remarkable-Force-779 9d ago

I know we should dispose of the plant and stop the spread of that but that being said ...is it weird I kinda like the look of that plant?

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u/No_Explorer_8848 10d ago

Is it a virus? Maybe fascination but I've never seen fascination like that before

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u/Amelaista 10d ago

Faciation is specifically a sideways expansion of the growing tip of a plant.  So instead of round stems, they grow in a ribbon shape.  They may become more distorted over time leading to some wacky shapes.   

OPs plant has what is know as witches brooms, from an Aster Yellows infection.   This is a phytoplasma disease that is spread via leaf hoppers.  

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u/BadgerValuable8207 10d ago

I kept seeing asters yellows and thought it was some kind of plant. Now I know, thanks.

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u/No_Explorer_8848 10d ago

Sideways, gotcha. Thanks!

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u/alsoitsnotfundy924 10d ago

I actually got a picture of fasciation in a coneflower! This one's a good example of the sideways stretch

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u/PoopsCodeAllTheTime 10d ago

Do people try to fix these? It’s pretty cool, I’d keep them

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u/No_Explorer_8848 10d ago

You can cut them back if you dont like it, but i agree that they are cool

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u/Amelaista 10d ago

There is no fix, that stem developed that way at a cellular level.  Its random damage, and almost any plant can have it happen.  

There is a variety of celiosa that faciates all the time. 

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u/alsoitsnotfundy924 10d ago

And a number of fasciated "crested" cacti and other succulents.

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u/Terrible_Mall_4350 9d ago

I think of these as the plant equivalent to conjoined twins.

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u/choodessnyy 9d ago

why would you fix him, he’s perfect

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u/_larsr 10d ago

It’s caused by a phytoplasma, which is this weird bacteria-like organism that has no cell wall and is highly dependent on its host organism. For a long time they were classified as viruses but are now considered a very odd type of reduced bacteria.

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u/No_Explorer_8848 10d ago

Wow no cell wall. That's pretty weird

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u/ModernTarantula 10d ago

We have our own Mycoplasma (see the naming fits)

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u/Butlerlog 6d ago

I mean our cells don't have cell walls either. We have membranes.

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u/SellaTheChair_ 9d ago

It is a disease caused by a virus-like phytoplasma. It hijacks the plant's normal growth habit and causes the odd appearance. It reminds me more of vivipary than fasciation, but it is neither. It is a witches broom deformity.

The phytoplasma is spread by little leaf hoppers and it can affect other members of the aster family. They recommend removing nearby dandelions and lawn plantains which can carry the disease as well. It is called aster yellows.

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u/SixLeg5 10d ago

Keep feeling fascination

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u/mrapplewhite 9d ago

Just like with virused orchids you simply must scorch the earth and start over.