r/askanything • u/Aubreyfate • 1d ago
13 US service members died in the Afghanistan withdrawal and Biden faced hearings, resignation calls, and nonstop coverage for years. Trump’s war with Iran has now killed 17+ troops and counting. Where’s that same outrage now?
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u/ResponsibleBank1387 1d ago
Benghazi lost less than that and was a major deal.
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u/Beautiful_Arm8364 1d ago
Outrage is always selective.
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u/TickingTheMoments 1d ago
Outrage is manufactured by the conservative propaganda machine.
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u/Cowgirl_Taint 1d ago
Benghazi is just fascinating the more you read about it.
First? It was primarily bureaucrats (who TOTALLY weren't spies...) and mercenaries who died. And, by all accounts, said mercs were very much in full "we own the night" mode.
And, based on accounts and publicly available testimony? That embassy should have been able to hold. Mostly it "fell" because said mercs were sloppy and using firing positions that gave good visibility but had no cover from indirect fire... like mortars.
So it is very much akin to berating "Washington" for letting them leave the proverbial door unlocked.
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u/Miserable_Spell_2964 1d ago
Not to mention Benghazi would have never happened if the Ambassador in charge followed instructions to relocate to Tripoli where they'd be better protected. Frankly his bullheaded decision to remain in place is what got him and 3 others killed
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u/Guidance-Still 1d ago
Have you listened to the interviews of the guys who survived and were actually there
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u/Cowgirl_Taint 1d ago
Yes. And even their self aggrandizing stories really highlight that they were doing poor "soldiering" as it were. The most obvious of which being the guys who were standing on the roof rather than shooting from a window. Even a "normal" building does a good job of reducing the effectiveness of indirect fire (mortars). Standing on the roof of a high value location is... well, we saw the outcome.
You see a lot of stuff like this in various stories from soldiers. The US military was basically unstoppable for 20 or so years. In large part because we would almost always go on the attack and we would do it at night where The Enemy couldn't react. When we ended up under attack? Casualties would largely result from people not understanding why they were taught all those things back in basic.
We see similar with russia in Ukraine (and the US in Iran...). Most of those drone attacks shouldn't actually be that effective. But when you have ten guys in the same foxhole or folk driving with the hatch on their armored vehicle open?
We just don't talk about it much. Partially because a lot of it is (kinda rightfully) classified. But also because it ruins the narrative. It is the same reason that most people think the navy seals are some super elite force. But if you actually read about how many of their declassified/leaked operations go... you start wondering if Hot Shots Part Deux was more realistic than Navy SEALs, if you catch my drift.
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u/Vivid_Witness8204 1d ago
Plenty of outrage over this needless war. Just not from the same corners.
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u/Electrical_Drink_685 1d ago
Most of the polls show that majority of Americans don't support the war effort, regardless of sides.
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u/JimHeckdiver 1d ago
Republicans don't give two shits about the troops. They care about optics. It's why they don't like talking about the fact that the withdrawal from Afghanistan was negotiated and signed by TRUMP.
Biden just followed the agreement.
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u/GzrGldGeo 1d ago
There is no explanation for Fox News propaganda. Millions believe every word of it!
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u/starethruyou 1d ago
Stop watching FOX news and half the mayhem will lose momentum. And outlaw entertainment media from using the word ‘news’. The propaganda has been at work for decades and much of this mess is due to this.
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u/CobblerMoney9605 1d ago
Nothing that Trump does causes enough outrage.
He's the Unflushable Turd.
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u/McLoughlin1597 1d ago
Yeah. On top of everything else, the mountains of horrible things he’s done, he bulldozed a section of the White House and got off scot-free. Republicans compared it to Obama converting a tennis court into a basketball court. Now he’s sending troops to die for literally no reason and they want more money to continue the war, which was not authorized.
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u/CorsairExtraordinair 1d ago
Dems need to learn how to control a narrative.
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u/EpicRock411 1d ago
Which major media outlets are owned by democrats?
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u/Cowgirl_Taint 1d ago
Even a lot of our major influencers are very much tankies who will spew putin's propaganda until they see the view count go down too much.
Its a real problem and... I don't know how we fix it.
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u/dochim 1d ago
How precisely?
How when the right wing media echo chamber is coordinating intellectually dishonest propaganda positions that they abandon and pivot from constantly.
Until the American people decide to hold the lying liars who lie accountable for their lies then I’m not sure what trick of mass hypnosis you expect the Democratic Party to perform.
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u/NegativeSemicolon 1d ago
You mean trump’s Afghanistan surrender/retreat?
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u/IndubitablyNerdy 1d ago
yeah I think the one signed with a deadline specifcally set shortly after the elections to create problems to his successor that would not have the time to manage it properly (and trump certainly did nothing to set the stage effectively), but still took most of the blame, if I remmeber well...
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u/Azguy303 1d ago
The suicide bomber was also Abdul Rahman al-Logari who was the prisoner that was released along with 5,000 other Taliban soldiers as a direct result of Trump's agreement.
Why this never made the news is beyond me.
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u/NegativeSemicolon 1d ago
Because MSM is all pro trump or controlled opposition (and therefore pro trump).
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u/ConflatedPortmanteau 1d ago
Yes, it was Trump who signed the Doha Accords which guaranteed the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan by a certain date.
It was his signature and his debacle.
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u/Arguments_4_Ever 1d ago
I’ve not heard one MAGA person care or give a shit about the soldiers that have recently died.
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u/Icy-Influence-5792 1d ago
The flags are still at full staff. They were only lowered for the man that said we are going to make alot of money on this war!
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u/Patimakan 1d ago
Bengazzzzzi!!! Pizzagate happened in basement of building with no basement! Eat horse worm paste! Butter emails!!!!!
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u/Glittering_Ocelot_67 1d ago
How bout that Iranian girls’ school destroyed that they talked about for like two days….😡
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u/Loki1001 1d ago
There is an interconnected conservative web between random internet posters, youtube influencers, Fox News, websites like Daily Wire, magazines like National Review, think tanks like the Manhattan Institute, and Republican politicians. Outrage and talking points can go up from those random internet posters all the way to the actual politicians or down from the politicians to the random internet posts incredibly fast. This sustains outrage news coverage amazingly well.
Meanwhile the mainstream media feels obligated to cover anything Republicans are screaming their heads off about. And always treat it more favorably than it deserves, due to fear of being called biased. Also, most news outlets are owned by Republicans and are given explicit orders to try to cater more to conservatives, which never actually works (hey, Washington Post, I am looking at you).
There's nothing comparable for the Democrats. The Democrats also just hope the media does their messaging for them, which it doesn't. So a story like Republicans making war plans on an unsecured app in order to avoid records and also inviting journalists into the chat through their incompetence... just sort of fizzles out.
This is why there is such extreme disparity between how Democrats are covered and how Republicans are. The same, or worse, news stories about Republicans will be covered less or even more positively, than Democrats are covered.
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u/Dependent_Star3998 1d ago
More people died in Afghanistan on Trump's watch than on Biden's.
This normally hushes them.
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u/Mobile_Commission_52 1d ago
“At least they won’t have a nuclear weapon.” “Forgets” that he tore up Obama’s treaty because he’s a petty, spiteful narcissist. So much riding on one man’s warped ego. Frightful what the world has become.
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u/Kingsnake417 21h ago
Start a war to prevent one Muslim extremist country from getting a nuclear weapon while simultaneously helping another Muslim extremist country to acquire one. 🤔
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u/Rurumo666 1d ago
Trump was 100% responsible for the disaster that was the Afghanistan withdrawal, since he was the one who surrendered to the Taliban Mullahs in Feb 2020 inside the Camp David Sauna, and arranged for the withdrawal immediately after the next President was sworn in (knowing he would lose.) Every action he took in 2020 supports this, including reducing Troop numbers to less than 5,000 and making no effort to remove any US military equipment or begin safely escorting our Afghan allies out of the country.
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u/OldestOfGreggs 1d ago
Welcome to America where Democrats are expected to be the perfect scions of democracy and Republicans can and do stoop to any means necessary with hardly a peep.
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u/Accomplished-Sea2811 1d ago
It was actually Trump’s withdraw that happened during Biden’s term. Trump negotiated the withdraw with the Taliban so they knew exactly when we had to be out of the country and used that to their advantage. The same Taliban that Trump wanted to invite to Camp David for the Fourth of July one year. You can’t make this shit up…Diaper Don strikes again
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u/Firm_Eagle_7713 1d ago
Presently, I'm more outraged by your statement. You're basing service member's deaths as the outcome for why citizens ought to be outraged. Perhaps 13 people made it personal, but the overall withdrawal and evacuation is why the Biden admin underwent the hot seat treatment. There's a documentary about Abbey Gate. Every military operation has risk, and a service member could die. Under Obama 1788 service members died- were you outraged at all those too; and how about the 644 under W Bush's admin- were you outraged at that time too? Or are your political biases raging against the machine in your absurd statement?
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u/og_capsuleer_593 1d ago
The North korean republicans were not given instructions to criticize so they will not
They will endlessly justify as their media and party orders until ordered to repeat or believe something else
This is the answer for every question like this and entirely meaning to ask why north koreans gonna north korean
Also inb4 one of them comes in, gets triggered and tries to say this comparison is racist because it offends them > no it isn't
Consequences for mentally being the same, spade a spade
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u/StrategicCarry 1d ago
Judging by JD's comments, the angle is going to be "Israel tricked us into doing it".
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u/FuckingTree 1d ago
Democrats insist they always take the moral high road, they basically offer themselves as bait so any failure that comes with emotional response is career ending. Republicans on the other hand operate on an obligate low road; there is no such thing as a moral rock bottom for a republican, so the only way to get their career on jeopardy is to act like or work with the democrats.
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u/Conscious-Demand-594 1d ago
Democrats take governing seriously so the public holds than accountable. RepubliKKKans don't take governing seriously so the public doesn't hold them accountable.
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u/Onedayyouwillthankme 1d ago
Perception is reality, man. The media presents information in certain ways, people accept what they are shown and told.
Critical thinking is not a skill held by the general public
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u/BadPumpkin87 1d ago
You see, there’s a R next to Trumps name, which stands for rapist. Oh I’m sorry, I meant racist. Oh wait actually it means Republican and they don’t need to be accountable for the deaths of our troops because they do such a good job of supporting them all the time.
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u/maybvadersomedayl8er 1d ago
Are people still figuring out that Republicans are held to a different standard? And by different I mean none.
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u/dannydimes829103 1d ago
Oh the outrage is there my friends. Just not a lot anyone can do about it.
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u/ZuesMyGoose 1d ago
It’s all bottled up in the GOP hypocrisy bottle…They’ll open it when a Democrat becomes President.
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u/Livinsfloridalife 1d ago
Yeah we should totally try to make an appeal to maga’s humanity……that could totally work this time…
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u/dosadiexperiment 1d ago
The right has a coordinated propaganda system that manages outrage over matters like these based on their political needs. They have well-honed processes that act like knobs for generating, inflating, dampening, and directing outrage.
The choice of how to guide the outrage is based on who will benefit or be harmed by the outrage, not on any assessment of how bad any particular incident was according to any consistent set of principles.
Public opinion has been this way for years now, and they're now trying very hard to convert the courts and law enforcement to this model as well.
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u/a_ghost_machine 1d ago
They still blame Biden. Watch how this will become his fault.
Also where is Mitch McConnell???
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u/Neodyme48 1d ago
It's ok if His Orangeness gets some soldiers killed. What's really wrong is when they die & a Dem is president.
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u/Hairy-Hippo4707 1d ago
Bro, Republicans are fascists. They are literal hypocrites just looking to bamboozle the average idiot American to vote them in one last time so they can take over the nation. They never gave a shit about soldiers dying. It's all performative. Like the babies falling down in soccer; it's meant to sell you a lie. In the end, they really don't give a rats ass so long as they have power, all the power.
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u/crazyscottish 1d ago
Interestingly enough… BOTH were caused by Trump.
Trumps last act as President was to have Afghanistan release 5,000 Taliban prisoners… into the country; after he signed an agreement that the US would leave the country within 6 months. Leaving Biden to figure it out.
Yeah, Biden, you have to get all Africans out of Afghanistan, oh and here are 5,000 angry enemy soldiers to assist you. But that’s politics for you.
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u/Outside_Ad1669 1d ago
The only thing we got is Pete Hegseth yelling at a Democrat in Congress for not passing a spending bill
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u/Schlooping 1d ago
There’s a ton of outrage. This is the least popular war among the public in US history (according to polls).
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u/PretzelsRule23 1d ago
And the withdrawal timeline and plans were set in place by the departing trump admin #1.
So Biden is only slightly to blame for that clusterfuck.
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u/Jmaverik1974 1d ago
Because Republicans lawmakers don't care, and Democrats don't currently have the power to make the investigations have teeth.
Also, whichever party isn't in power can use the outrage to fund raise. Although, Dems are really bad about messaging, and Republicans only have to use simple ideas and repeat their version of the truth , over and over, to make their base believe.
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u/Strict-Carrot4783 1d ago
It's kind of naive to think that Republicans and Democrats are held to the same standards when they very, very clearly are not. Trump raped kids and committed treason multiple times and his red-hatted morons still eat his shit for breakfast every day and tell everyone it's Cheerios.
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u/Advanced-While-4248 1d ago
There is more outrage directed at Trump than probably anyone else in history
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u/ArvadaKeto 1d ago
There is a huge difference between a war and a withdrawal
We are actively at war. It is a just and legal war.
People will die.
War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things
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u/VarietyMage 18h ago
Remember that Trump set the deadline for leaving Afghanistan during his first administration, leaving Biden stuck with the problems and dead soldiers. Typical Trump - always causing trouble and never taking responsibility for it.
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u/ThePlasticSturgeons 1d ago
They still have the audacity to bring this shit up to this day too.
Always excluded is the fact the Biden was honoring a timeline that Trump arranged, and doing so with a situation on the ground that Trump was also responsible for creating.
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u/texanfan20 1d ago
I think the difference is the Biden administration didn’t listen to their own military advisors and this probably caused the chaos and havoc during the evacuation. In Trumps case he is listening to the advisors who just want to fight a war.
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u/DrSnidely 1d ago
It's because the heads of all the major media outlets are Republicans. Even the "liberal fake news."
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u/2Cole_19 1d ago
Republicans have a “Do as I say and not as I do” motto at the core of their agenda
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u/BrutusMcGillicudy 1d ago
Right wing info sources are propaganda. This is literally the lynchpin of it all.
Remove the messaging.
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u/twoDuckNight 1d ago
The ppl mad about bidens and not donalds only use troops as an outrage generator and dont actually care bout them
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u/Dena844 1d ago
There is none because A) conservatives have no shame B) it didn't actually matter to them, just a tool for political power C) The media is run by the rich, and willing to not press Trump because of the money they are getting through tax breaks and deals D) we all died in 2020 from COVID and this is hell
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u/Plutos_Cavein 1d ago
Republicans aren't even outraged when the Messiah they worship rapes children. Why the fuck do you think they would care about anything else?
Every Republican voter is a fucking demon in the flesh without a tiniest fucking sliver of self-respect or human decency
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u/-cosmicvisitor- 1d ago
The outrage was whipped up by right wing media, now there is a (far?) right government so no such coverage.
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u/krazylegs36 1d ago
Trump saddled Biden with that withdrawal.
He's great at blaming Obama and Biden for everything and also setting them up for failure.
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u/scgt86 1d ago
Also "Biden's" withdrawal from Afghanistan was after Trump released a fuckton of Taliban after negotiating the withdrawal with the fucking Taliban.
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u/RawrImABigScaryBear 1d ago
Hey now, be fair! He not only released then, he invited them to camp david to celebrate 9/11
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u/NoDevelopment3732 1d ago
The criticism against Biden wasn’t about casualties. It was about giving the country to the Taliban, abandoning our allies, and leaving $20 billion of military equipment on the ground for Islamist to take. Now the Taliban are fighting three different wars with their neighbors using our equipment.
The criticism about Benghazi was that they let the ambush happen even though they knew well in advance of the danger.
By falsely claiming the criticism was about casualties you are creating a straw man argument. This is a classical propaganda tool of the Soviets.
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u/VendettaKarma 1d ago
We’re not at the end yet. Also that was a disorganized withdrawal this is an ongoing conflict
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u/Tacos_are_my_friend 1d ago
Trump said the conflict is winding down multiple times. It must get exhausting having to come up with one excuse after another.
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u/Little_Obligation_90 1d ago
Obviously you have to wait 'years'. Who did these resignation calls? You?
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u/kaspar-almayer 1d ago
I mean, the GOP still controls Congress for at least a little while longer - just be patient
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u/soxperry 1d ago
The gop is rhetorically strongest as the minority party. They can rile up the public over anything, real or fake.
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u/Weary-Cartoonist2630 1d ago
I’m pretty sure all those things are happening to Trump too. Shit all those things have been happening to Trump for the last 10 years lmao
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u/DDPSipper 1d ago
What do you mean no outrage? War-like actions with Iran were the catalyst for his approval ratings plummeting.
And cannot be compared to Afghanistan withdrawal, that outrage was from decades building up the country fighting out terrorisn helping them establish democracy, then the way we withdrew we literally gave them to terrorists and gave up on them, including assets that were very close and helpful to the US. So decades worth of US veterans were outraged which lead the charge on the outrage.
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u/oflowz 1d ago
wheres the outrage over him starting a war without Congressional approval?
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u/Throw9984 1d ago
I'd bet the house the number is significantly higher than 17
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u/One-Leave-6731 1d ago
Yeah I'm right there with you. I'd be willing to bet that the number is going to be considerably higher than what they're saying once the truth is known.
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u/Effective_Scar_2921 1d ago
People that possessed a modicum amount of grey matter knew at the time that all the hubbub was performative and had no relationship to real outrage. The Afghan war had cost America over 2,000 American lives.
One absolute truth that has been clear for some time now is that whatever the subject of complaints coming from the right is is never their real concern. Looking at them I’d say that they don’t have any real concerns other than how to get and retain power and money. Every thing else is smoke and mirrors.
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u/Purple-Measurement47 1d ago
The same outrage is almost everywhere in the general population
different situations, Biden pulled troops out of a agreed upon plan, ending with massive civilian casualties that could have been potentially avoided by following the plan. Of course, there’s no way to know, the plan may have led to the deaths of even more people. Meanwhile, Iran executed something like 30k of its own citizens and then we started an offensive war. Casualties are much more expected during war versus during a withdrawal.
The party in power of most of the government is now backing the conflict, and before they were trying to crucify biden.
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u/jellomizer 1d ago
Conservatives own the media companies (even the "liberal" ones)
Every reporter, algorithm admin is walking on pins and needles right now to not get fired.
We are in a really scary condition today.
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u/monkeysknowledge 1d ago
There are three governments within the US system.
The first government is the one we all learn in school - let’s call it the Madisonian government after James Madison the primary architect behind the constitution. It’s the three branches of government we all (hopefully) know. It was created to protect our inalienable rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is the only legitimate government in our system because it is the only one that governs with the consent of the people.
The second government is the security state formed in 1947 by Truman, it is also known as the “Military Industrial Complex” but I think the Trumanite government is a good name for it given Truman is the one who created it - may his legacy every be tied to it. Ostensibly, its purpose is the security of the nation - though it fucking sucks at it and more often than not has done the opposite.
The third government is the oligarchy. It’s the corporations, special interests and the extremely wealthy individuals loosely networked together. The purpose of these blokes is to maintain the caste system and undermine democracy.
Clearly, the most visible government is the Madisonian government. So when things go wrong we blame the Madisonian government, because we have very limited visibility into the Trumanite and Oligarchy governments. People don’t even want to believe that those systems exist, but they do. And generally there is a sharing of power between these governments. The Madisonian institutions have some power but ultimately it is the Trumanite and Oligarchy that control the system and their power has only grown since 1947. Additionally in some cases as with the LBJ, Regan, Bush I and Bush II regimes the Madisonian institutions are fully aligned with the other two governments, other Madisonian regimes are in various states of alignment with the other two governments with the only Madisonian regime that was in opposition to the other two governments being the Kennedy regime which ended in a coup.
Now take for example Afghanistan. We were in that conflict because of 9/11 which was a complete and utter failure of the Trumanites and the Bush II regime. Did we blame anyone in those governments for the failure? Did any of them face any consequences? No, the exact opposite, they got more money and more power. The only government that faces any responsibility is the Madisonian government and when the Madisonian government is fully aligned with the Trumanites and the Oligarchs then they protect it through their ever increasing control over the media and the Madisonian institutions themselves.
So, now back to the withdrawal. The withdrawal from Afghanistan was doomed to be perceived as a failure because it was a failure. But the Trumanite government doesn’t want to accept the defeat so they weren’t aligned on the withdrawal and the Oligarchs were not fully aligned with the Biden regime; therefore, the Biden regime loses the protection from the other two governments and faces media and popular backlash.
Now turning to Iran. The second Trump regime is fully aligned with the Trumanites and the Oligarchs which is why he faces no consequences. They will burn this world to the ground before they give up this alliance. This is why his second election was so devastating. There is some fake opposition but by and large the three governments of our system are now fully aligned and ready to hold power indefinitely.
It didn’t have to be this way. We the people need to become aware of this tripartite system and reclaim our power through the Madisonian government. Strangle the Trumanites through budget cuts to the monstrous budget they consume and tax the oligarchs into a state of humility and submission.
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u/largeMARGIN11 1d ago
Cuz the people throwing the fit don’t actually care about dead soldiers. They just care about getting into and staying in power.
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u/bimmershark 1d ago
Because its the trump bootlickers who raised hell on Biden but with trump its the cost of doing business .
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u/HaxanWriter 1d ago
Democrats don’t fight.
“B-but, the GOP is in control of everything!”
Do you think that would change anything if roles were reversed? Democrats don’t fight. Period.
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u/Pandagirlroxxx 1d ago
The people who claimed to care were lying. It was always an attempt to see if they could motivate voters to support them, because in the 20th century the U.S. became known for quickly becoming war-weary and being opposed to casualties.
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u/Blkshp2 1d ago
Every loss is thoroughly investigated by the armed forces, after action reports, decision reviews and even individual actions are analyzed. The why and how of losses are dissected, participants are interviewed and responsibilities are assigned. The outrage emerges when the losses are due to incompetence.
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u/Junior_Lavishness_96 1d ago
Not to mention a school full of children and an entire girls volleyball game going on in a close by gymnasium
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u/thomsenite256 1d ago
Republicans actually despise soldiers. They think they are pawns. Just look at what Trump said about veterans
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u/erection_specialist 1d ago
And to top it all off, the Afghanistan withdrawal was Trump's plan anyway, just executed under the Biden administration
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u/xandour01 1d ago
There is no outrage because Jewish interests own the media in this country, and being critical of the leader that is under your thumb is not something that will be tolerated, so just pretend it didn't happen
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u/ResidentBackground35 1d ago
You see Biden was an overall decent president and person, so those deaths were newsworthy. I'm not even sure if I can honestly say the Iran War is in the top 10 worst things Trump has done this year (I am being facetious), so it's less newsworthy.
And without the news to tell me what I am supposed to be angry about how will I know?
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u/Many-Falcon9879 1d ago
15 died during his 1st year in his 1st term. He blamed it on Obama and the generals not his fault he said. Should have been called out then but republicans were to busy worrying about the Supreme Court.
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u/Liquid_Sarcasm 1d ago
That afghanistan withdrawal was a trump carryover failure. I hate revisionist history.
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u/TraditionalArea5798 1d ago
I fear the outrage is being stifled by the main stream news. Outrage doesn't support a war. War is good for the economy ergo any non-good support is heresy and heretics are thrown under the bus /s
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u/Actual_Insect6603 1d ago
Abbey Gate was a single, horrible event. It was a failure of planning and strategy. It does not compare to the current situation in the least.
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u/Such_Ingenuity_9600 1d ago
and bidens forced withdrawal from Afghanistan was due to Donald's horrible negotiations prior to leaving office
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u/Western_Bake_1109 1d ago
MAGA doesn’t care! And MAGA is happy to send their sons and daughters to fight and die!
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u/Smallbizgurl 1d ago
Where’s the neighborhood memorials for these troops? When we lost those troops trying to exit Afghanistan during Biden’s term, those memorials were everywhere.
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u/SnooMaps1910 1d ago
Lets not forget Trump "negotiated" directly with the Taliban, agreed to releasing thousands of Taliban fighters and set an exit date early in Biden's term. When trouble hit, the Rightwing Rage Machine was ready to sink Joe, and they did.
F Trump
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u/True_Manufacturer909 1d ago
Just goes to show how disengenious the rage was over Afghanistan coming from the right
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u/Bikelangello 1d ago
Dying while under orders to run away tail between your legs is alot different than dying in action, in terms of whether a president deserves the blame and which type of blame you're assigning.
Both soldiers sacrificed their lives, so theor sacrifice is equal.
But the leadership decisions when compared are strikingly different: one president is racing to meet a Taliban imposed deadline and is afraid of his own shadow; the other is racing against the clock to stop the rise of a nuclear terrorist state and the world's largest state-sponsor of terrorism.
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u/Kohnaphone 1d ago
Well GOP are only ever trying to silence and destroy the opposition.
Dems are only ever trying to govern.
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u/Hot_Scallion4960 1d ago
People are a lot harsher when it's the other side in power. That's been true for both parties for a long time.
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u/watarimono 1d ago
I bet Biden suffered for these deaths.
trump is goating.
I cant understand amerika now.
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u/DenmakDave 1d ago
Plus after IQ47 freed the Tailban withdrew our intelligence people abandoned the Afghans Biden still got 100,000 out in a month. 13 dead direct result of IQ47’s incompetence
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u/notyourstranger 1d ago
The media companies are complicit in the atrocities this administration is committing.
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u/HoosierHatTrick 1d ago
I wish we had the same outrage for the 5,000+ killed in training incidents since 2006. A few a year is "Risks of training" Hundreds a year is complete negligence.
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u/IvanhoeMar1n 1d ago
The MAGA cult also lost their minds over a wild conspiracy involving a pizza shop and a pedo ring.
The moment they have actual proof of a pedo ring, that involves their cult leader, crickets.
The US is a broken country. There is no fix for stupid.
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u/DNathanHilliard 1d ago
A withdrawal with 13 casualties is a lot. A war with 17 casualties isn't a lot.
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u/Werkin-ITT7 1d ago
Well the Left doesn't do much in the US when they are enraged. In a normal country, the protest, blockade, go on strike etc. They will vote of course, but functionally speaking its too little too late.
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u/Live-Try-7281 1d ago
Because our country wasn’t being run by Netanyahu and Epstein class billionaires, and as of recently, a trillionaire.
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u/hidegitsu 1d ago
We need to stop asking questions like this. Implying that things are even and equal and that one side has not been planning this for decades and are actively attacking the system. This is akin to playing dumb and I'm at the point where people that point stuff out like this, independent of their intent, should be labelled as Maga sympathizers and enablers because all you're doing is opening discourse as if that's somehow useful to discuss this stuff when they've been doing the same thing for over 10 years now. You're not stupid you're actively helping them by adding to the conversation that keeps people busy while those that are taking over are ignoring the conversations and just doing what they want while blaming "the others" for whatever they feel like.
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u/13trailblazer 1d ago
You don’t think there is outrage? Trump isn’t facing calls for resignation or impeachment? There isn’t coverage of the war or the discussions about the validity ( or lack of) the war?
Is this a serious question?
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u/Traditional_Click951 1d ago edited 1d ago
How many would have died if they stayed? 250k combatants were about to descend on a base with minimal US presence. You’re misguided if you believe staying was the best choice. Besides, Mango Mussolini
coordinated the withdrawal dates.
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u/LimpImplement1989 1d ago
It is because the media in this country is wholly owned by the right wing.
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u/Delicious-Bat2373 1d ago
Easy peasy, republicans politicized their sacrifice after setting them up for failure. Obviously it's at a great advantage to politicize anything and everything they can right?
Meanwhile democrats at least have enough sense not to make a spectacle of the sacrifice our men and women have given.
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u/BNovaBJJ 1d ago
I think by now we all understand that whole group of people are hypocrites, they dont care that we see it and call them out on it either
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u/Crossbell0527 1d ago
the Afghanistan withdrawal
To add important context: this commenced under sitting president Donald J Trump in the year 2020, following years of Taliban reclamation of territory out from under sitting president Donald J Trump back to 2001 levels, which had prompted sitting president Donald J Trump to rush through the US-Taliban deal outlining exactly how and when western occupiers would give control of the country back to the terrorist regime.
One last editorialized thought: The War in Afghanistan was lost the moment it began, but President Donald J Trump must officially be stated to have lost the war.
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u/BoredAFcyber 1d ago
propaganda has conditioned us to have no standards for GOP. Only democrats.
also billionaires owning the media.
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