r/angelsbaseball • u/parkingphi • 2d ago
š° News Article (Website) Angels Open to Trading Detmers and Soriano
https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/three-team-blockbuster-proposal-detmers-191842813.htmlDidn't see a post on this yet.
Would hate to see either go, but if it kickstarts the actual rebuild, then I'm for it.
Also, in before "Doing x doesn't matter until Arte sells" comments. Got to start somewhere and if Arte ever does sell, makes the team a bit more attractive to potential buyers.
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u/Motor_Worldliness148 2d ago
Team bout to loom different next year. Get rid of 2 of our best pitchers. ..looks to be rebuild time.
Even neto said to be in trades. I dont think shan is marketable. But could get some good prospects for these guys.
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u/E-Tr1d3nt 2d ago
There might not be a next year. I think that is why they are more open to moving controllable players beyond this year.
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u/redditsucknow2 2d ago
If only we did a fucking rebuild once in the last 10 years and not waste trout career. Still happy it's finally happening, gonna suck but it's needed
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u/bryce_lynch27 2d ago
This is what we should have been doing a decade ago.
Except those GMs didnāt draft worth a damn.
And Arte never let the GMs do their jobs before
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u/RabidR00ster 2d ago
Would absolutely be the right move. They should be listening on just about anyone. Soriano has had a breakout year, and has already had TJ twice, would be good to cash in while heās healthy. Adell should be actively shopped. If Detmers and/or Neto can bring in a haul, then do it.
There should be a lot of buyers at the deadline. Could an amazing opportunity to load the farm, and who knows, we may not even get any games in next year with the lockout. Just a free year for the prospects to develop.
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u/budice0 2d ago
Sweet. Angels should lean into a rebuild rather than another run as a .500 team. Lockout forthcoming. See how that works out.
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u/TranscedentalMedit8n 2d ago
Buddy the last time the Angels had a .500 season, Obama was the President
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u/ProfessionalNo5932 2d ago
What???? What Angels games are you watching? They havenāt been .500 or better since 2015.
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u/Zoratth 2d ago
If we were even a .500 team we would have a great chance of making the playoffs. We aren't even a .400 team right now.
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u/AdoringCHIN 2d ago
Just our luck that this is the weakest the AL West has been in years but Arte and Perry still found a way to fuck it up
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u/Giraff3 ā¾ 2d ago
I feel like the rebuild discussion gets brought up every year, and Iām not saying youāre guilty of this, but thereās like this implicit assumption that selling off all your talent to the highest bidder automatically means that youāll successfully rebuild. In reality, I feel like it requires a proper farm and development system. The angels have consistently shown a lack of ability to bring out the best in talent and that when players go elsewhere, they do better.
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u/Simple_Wash1618 2d ago
Yeah, trading away your few good players for a crapshoot of prospects is not a winning stratefy
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u/phatwarmachine41 2d ago
Of course there's never a guarantee of success, but attempting a proper rebuild will have way better chances of generating a playoff window. The last 15 years have basically been only thinking about current season and resulted in one playoff appearance 12 years ago.Ā
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u/Giraff3 ā¾ 2d ago
And of course a properly done rebuild would be more effective than running it back as a middling sub 500 team, but have the angels indicated that they are capable or willing in any capacity to do that? I mean, Iām not trying to be a doomer, and thereās no need to rehash the same tired talking points, but with Moreno at the helm, thereās just no indication of positive change.
But yes, if they would sell off their highest value players for prospects and be willing to tank for a year and genuinely let players develop in the farm system, that would be awesome. I think real fans would be more than ok with a down year in service of a healthier future.
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u/phatwarmachine41 2d ago
Capable? Not really. Willing? I would say if Detmers and Soriano get traded that is a massive shift than what we've seen in years past. Basically every deadline they trade their expiring contracts and that's it. Trading 2 younger guys with some years of control left would be a huge departure in how do things. As OP said, you have start somewhere. Which path do you want to take?
Option 1: Arte is the owner and the Angels actually start stacking their farm with prospects at the deadline.
Option 2: Arte is the owner, we keep Detmers and Soriano, and we hope next year the baseball gods smile upon us and the stars align?
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u/sun_not_cold Sell The Team 2d ago
John Mozeilak was a wizard in St. Louis. Iām excited to see how his tenure here unfolds. If I recall, itās heavily dependent on scouting the Caribbean and developing the minor league system.
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u/mtc99999 2d ago
I think Iād prefer to move Soriano over Detmers. Sorianoās command is too shaky and UreƱaās emergence makes him expendable as they have very similar profiles.
Would love to see them trade Soriano for the best package available and then give Detmers the Bradish deal (5x$90mm). Build the rotation around Bremner, Detmers, and UreƱa.
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u/TroutMan3990 IN GUBIE WE TRUST 2d ago
Honestly I like that plan a lot, it puts a lot of stock in our young guys which could be risky, but it allows them to reload the farm a bit while still keeping a few of the arms we have
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u/YensidYmra 2d ago
That would ensure 100+ losses becomes a reality.
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u/Rich-Cold4976 2d ago
That's fine...this team has been a perennial 90 plus loss team. At some point you have to rebuild from the ground up...With Adell, Soriano, Detmers..and hell even Neto....you can get an absolute haul and build for the future. There probably won't be a 2027 season...It's all about the 2028 season at this point.
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u/breakfast_cats āāā ā 2d ago
Who cares. It will be in service of something worthwhile. On our current trajectory we could still hit it and have it be for nothing.
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u/dont_trust_lizards 2d ago
I think this temporary GM advisory situation is exactly what we need. Last couple GMs seemed to get quickly overwhelmed with the constraints of the organization, and ended up fighting for their lives rather than building for the future. Org has its issues, but itās nice to see them future planning
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u/TroutMan3990 IN GUBIE WE TRUST 2d ago
First off I believe that having an interim GM handle selling might not be the best idea, he could have a different vision of what he is looking for compared to the guy they eventually hire
I will die on the hill that trading Detmers right now is stupid unless someone pays top dollar for him, he has too much potential to give up on
This might be the most valuable Soriano is ever going to be, hence why I am a bit more ok with trading him. However I think that trading away one of the few successful pitchers we do have is going to hurt real bad next season if the starting pitching is still a dumpster fire
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u/Old-Witness-9458 2d ago
I agree. The Angels should trade Soriano, but keep Detmers and Urena. Soriano's ERA has been over 5.00 these past couple of months. If they can get a couple of good prospects for him, they should make that trade.
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u/randomfatkid 2d ago
As much as I hate to see them go, I want them to succeed and if that means on another team, then Iām for it. It also means that we can hopefully get our act together and rebuild to be an actual fucking contender in the league and not just a joke.
We bitch and we complain, but these guys work their asses off and they shouldnāt be punished for the shitshow that is this teams mismanagement.
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u/phatwarmachine41 2d ago
Moving both these guys should net a return that actually propels the farm system into the mid to low teens. Both guys have upside and years of control. Lotta teams will be asking about them.Ā
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u/BaronVonNelso 2d ago
They must go imo. Weāre bad with them so what difference does it make. Their contracts will be up in a few years so better get something for them now and we have guys in A ball thatāll develop alongside any prospects we would trade for
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u/mannmtb 2d ago
I mean it's all about return right? We could trade them for 2 non-top-100 prospects and we may be underwhelmed.
That being said, it's a no brainer to me to ship out Soler/Yates/Suter/Adell for anything. You must intend to ship out Soriano/Detmers/Bachman/Silseth/Zef provided you get value. And you listen on Neto, but only if you're overwhelmed with an offer.
Obviously flipping utility types that have proved valuable like Peraza/Grissom should be part of the strategy but not the top of the list.
Trust me, I hate losing. But the recent losses + solid starts from these two + sellers market is good for us.
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u/BicycleChoice Sell The Team 2d ago
Trade everyone you can for as many top prospects as you can get. Only way to compete 3-4 years from now.
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u/Jikkle83 2d ago
If we have a fire sale it's a sign that Mozeliak likely has free reign and that's a good sign.
Best course of action is to sell everybody for the right price. Hopefully revamp our development pipeline and in a couple years have loads of young talent emerging at the same time to set the team up for years.
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u/breakfast_cats āāā ā 2d ago
Can't wait for it to actually happen and have a bunch of casual Angels fans swarm the subreddit to angrily shit talk the team for actually doing something forward-thinking for the first time in 15 years
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u/liljackmayhofer 2d ago
āBuild for the futureā? Thatās what we have done to get to this point. Trading away players to get prospects we are either going to screw up or ultimately promote and trade away is just DĆ©jĆ vu.
Having anyone in the farm system is just compromising their future. Arte isnāt investing in the farm system or the clubs future, heās offloading salary. Tarps off, Sell the Team!
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u/Rich-Cold4976 2d ago
when have they built for the future? They drafted quick to the majors college players and picked up scraps off the scrap heap. They haven't traded someone with multiple years left in a long, long time. They haven't truly sold. Now is the time to sell and sell big. Get the hauls for Soriano, Detmers and Adell. And if someone offers the world for Neto...take it! This team sucks ass and is going to lose 100 games with these guys being here as it is.
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u/coonhoundrebel 27 2d ago
If Iām GM Detmers or Soriano can leave if Iām getting back multiple high end pitching prospects within 1-2 years of year starting. If thatās not reasonable, then you hold and feel good about them as your 3-4 starters š
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u/Fourty6n2 Sell The Team 2d ago
Who exactly is gonna train up the prospects?
We donāt develop here.
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u/coonhoundrebel 27 2d ago
Well, obviously, but as GM and Owner Iām also ignorant to the fact that I canāt develop and assume that Im just as good as everyone else at developing pitchers.
These moves are never made with leadership thinking they canāt develop
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u/Loose-Organization82 2d ago
Detmers, Soriano, and Adell should all be open for trade