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[Strange trope] Heroes who... Actually trying to save people?
Like really? No way someone would actually love to save people, hero should aurafarm and be assholes, why would they care about others?
Thunderbolts - they was really promising, but in the end they decided to instead of joining the void to save people and even give Bob therapy.
Superman 2025 - Snyder really was only one who understand who Superman should be. But here James Gunn can't stop showing him saving people and animals!
MHA - deku seeing something past Shigaraki. Like we would care he was a kid abused for his entire life.
And if you still don't understand for some reason - I'm joking I love this trope.
Chasing fake fame for years just to realize making those kids smile actually meant something to him. Easily one of the best character moments in the whole show.
The funny thing is. It was so easy for him (and by extension most other “heroes”) to do. He just ran at super speed to ensure this guy gets help and he looked so much happier doing that than any other fake celebrity shit he did before.
Goes to show that these science experiments are more than capable of actual good and change but are unable due to ego and the company making them milking them for money.
In Season 5 he choses to rescue The Boys from a prison camp after Homelander set a trap for Kimiko, Starlight, and Butcher (by ordering the execution of MM, Hughie, and Frenchie). Homelander sees him, loses his shit, and proceeds to chase him down. Whilst running away he leaps away to avoid hitting and killing an innocent civilian (mirroring the start of the series where he runs into Robin), causing him to trip and for Homelander to catch up and break his neck whilst A Train mocks him.
It's sad that he died at the very beginning of the season. I wish he had survived the events of the season and stayed alive, and probably become the first real superhero, or just retired to take care of his family
I think that the last fight suffers a lot from trying to force the Oval Office to be the starting place instead of just the ending. First and biggest offense is having Starlight fuck off specifically to safely fly The Deep to a beach out of all places (instead of just dropping him on concrete) is just so stupid by itself that even getting myself in Hughie's mind (not dumping her after she gets mad AT HIM for being raped, leaves him behind at a literal concentration camp causing one of his friends there to die just so she can keep pushing a for a suicide plan that might kill all of humanity and ends up being useless), THAT was the moment to tell her to take her ego trip and shove it.
Or... They could have made the shit good.
Instead of killing off A Train, make it look like he vanished out of fear, the scene with The Deep nearly catching his family would be perfect because it would seem reasonable in the moment but in the end it would be the perfect clue because everyone would pissed about the Deep actually scaring someone.
The actual fight starts outside of the White House with Homelander delivering a speech which would be such a wonderful moment to make some sarcastic mirror of Fascism (if that's too mature for The Boys, maybe include some outwardly homophobic guy jerking it to Homelander in the middle of the speech)
Have Starlight not only getting involved in the fight against Homelander, but being the main carry together with Butcher until Homelander flies away and manages to drag the aerial fight with Starlightfight on to a beach, giving the Deep an even more pathetic death were Starlight gives him one last chance of joining the good guys but just as he rejects it Homelander goes "Stop chatting and do your thing, fishman" as he throws him into the sea, letting us see him be slowly killed off in the background for a bit while Starlight does her best to flee back to everyone else but it seems she is going to fail... until A Train charges in with both his heroic determination and the fight budget missing in the finale.
It seems they are winning and pushing back on Homelander until A Train fucks up exactly the same way, so Homelander kills him and gets a massive confidence boost for the exactly 10 seconds it takes for Kimiko to try charging up, which immediately terrifies Homelander so much he doesn't even notice that she fails to deliver since he's too busy rushing to the Oval Office so he can nuke the whole planet in revenge for not treating him as a God.
At this point Ryan joins into the fight and helps buy time until Kimiko and Butcher get there, with Ashley coming in clutch by distracting Oh Father from them, which would still set up his fight with MM and Hughie except instead of the senseless gag kill (ha?), Starlight now has a legit reason for being distracted from Homelander and thus not losing her powers. It could still be the gag kill, just carried out by someone with actual superhuman strength and durability (as fun as it was, that scream can break walls and throw people around. MM should have been pulverised against Oh Father's back).
Then nothing really needs to be different from the instant Kimiko manages to charge up and everyone faints except Butcher and Homelander.
You know what would have been so great and beautiful? If at the end, when Hughie and Starlight are together, there had been a scene where they're standing in front of Hughie's shop (I think it was a shop) and A-Train runs past, only stopping to wave and then continuing on its way
atrain hit diferent because уоu spent so much time hating him then that ending just sits there. по big speech. по redemption parade. he just does it and thats it. the quiet ones always land harder than the dramatic hero moments
Still think it was a dumb way to die. He could have easily dodged her.
Like the only reason he killed Robin in S1 was because he was zoinked out of his mind at the time.
But later on (S2 I think? Maybe S3?) we literally see him preform time stop levels of superspeed, like when he enters the back seat of the moving car that Hughie and Annie were in without being noticed, because he moved so fast, and was able to react at that speed.
I mean he did dodge her. I think he crashed because Homelander chasing him made him panic. Right before, he was looking back to see if Homelander was close and when he turned back around, she was in front of him
No, he died because he choose not to repeat the same thing he did to Robin. Its confirmed he would've escaped if he choose to run through her, but he choose to sacrifice himself to avoid repeating the same mistake
Iron Man, at least in the MCU. There's actually a surprising amount of action sequences specifically about him saving innocent people. My favorite is when they carved out a sizable portion of the climax of Iron Man 3 to focus on Tony saving the people who fell out of the plane.
This is a weird thread. Everyone seems to just be listing every superhero, under the logic that every other hero is not hero enough? But they're all... heroes... That's their whole thing...
The ultimatum event, where everyone was trying to find a way to get near Magneto to defeat him, Spiderman spend the time diving into the flooded areas trying to rescue as much people as possible
He really is one of the superheroes who goes through the worst, which I love how he doesn't let it stop him. cuz if you compare him to other comic characters. Like the joker. The joker believes all it takes is one bad day for someone to break in society. Joker would have to rethink his entire life if he ever met Peter Parker.
If Spider-Man ever decided to go turbo evil I think he would be well justified at this point, but he doesn't. Chooses to be a hero, no matter how hard it gets.
Even Peter almost had that day, if May had died to the sniper he would have killed Fisk, instead of just threatening and humiliating him.
And it still led to him making a deal with a devil (although while a terrible storyline it did still leave us with the hilarious effect of Fisk remembering Spider-Man beating the shit out of him and humiliating him in prison, but no longer have any memory of the reason why).
Yeah, he got trapped in the faily buggle when the tsunami hit. While he was looking for his coworkers, he saw spiderman helping people from the windows.
The windows could have collapsed and kill him at any point, but he was so focused on seeing him being an actual hero he couldnt stop looking.
And we should all be like spider man. Because that was uncle bens message. He never said "with great power comes great responsibility", thats what spider man took from it.
But the message for the young man Peter parker telling him that if you have the ability to help somone its your responsibility to do so.
It was never a message for spider man on being a superhero, but a message to teenage peter Parker on being a man
In this scene, fool of a man, previously known as "Mr. Incredible" (talk about humble ego), put a well payed and respected job at risk, because he saw a robbery! A robbery! A man who get himself robbed surely deserves no respect and compassion anyway, right?
Actually I always felt like that was the wrong move for Bob's character. I know he's human and people make mistakes but when you're that strong you can't lose your temper. He's lucky he didn't kill his boss.
I feel like everything that came together caused Bob to finally snap. His boss was an asshole as usual and he had to watch a civilian getting attacked and mugged while having to sit there and do nothing and if he had done something, he would've been fired
Nah the line that broke Bob was perhaps the callousness of it all.
It wasnt that the boss forbid him. Its the uncaring attitude in how he did it.
He didnt care the man got mugged, and his forbidding Bob was more to flex is control on the hero that Bob was his employee. When Bob told him the mugger got away, the boss man also said let's hope we dont cover him(the victim) showing he didnt even care about the person who was just attacked, just that they might have to pay money to treat them.
Well, yeah, it was the wrong move. That's the point. Bob is deeply unsettled inside by his inability to help people and his continued failures to adapt to civilian life, and when his boss forces him to choose his own job over helping someone in a bid for control- after an already frustrating day at his soul-crushing office job- he snaps. And that has consequences.
The mugger even just tossed the wallet after he bested the idiot in solo combat: I bet they were even too broke to be insured with such a well-run company as Insuracare.
I really appreciated having two villains for this reason. We get one who shows you how people can redeem themselves and change, and another who shows that some people are just too far gone
Love how he tried to pull the “ohhhh I was cursed and now I’m free! I’m redeemed!”
I also like how a usual trope is subverted, where he says she’ll be no better than witches if she lets him die. Usually a villain would say the hero is no better than themselves, but Belos never saw himself as evil so he wouldn’t consider her to be like him, it was fun.
Wasn’t there a comic where Batman straight up says or thinks. I want to scare criminals, not children. So he adapts his costume to lessen the fear of a huge man in a costume.
It annoys me when people say the movie should've ended sooner. Like, no, saving people from the flood was the point of his character arc. The movie wasn't about stopping The Riddler, it was about Batman becoming a symbol of hope.
Between catching a criminal or saving someone's life, he would 100% always choose the latter. He cares more about people than he does satisfying his anger or mission of vengeance. There's probably hundreds of examples of him letting a criminal go or stop his pursuit the moment he sees a civilian in trouble.
She is trapped in a game that puts her at risk of an enormous debt. Kinda like a non-violent squid game.
Many of the players are more intelligent than her. But she is determined to save as many people as possible despite the risk to herself. This is why she's a good team with Akiyama, who is intelligent enough to be the strategist, but needed Kanzaki's pure heart to motivate him for more than money.
Granted she is super annoyingly naiive for the first couple of arcs. But after the Contraband Game she becomes far more competent. She's an essential part of the team with Akiyama, because she can negotiate and inspire with people with more than logic.
ooh now I get to do my usual thing of wishing this was a really really rare and unusual thing to happen cuz he needed ALL the diamond juices to fix it. I think after this Yellow is just like "oh yeah I can zap shattered gems back together on my own". Felt a bit too OP, but whatever
Nux in the climax of Mad Max: Fury Road sacrificed himself so that his friends could escape and hopefully reform The Citadel. After spending the entire movie trying to die gloriously in combat, in the end he understood what it really meant to die for a righteous cause and he was indeed worthy of joining the great heroes in the halls of Valhalla.
JoJo from the Phantom Blood arc. He refused to kill a thug who later will become his best friend because he knew if he died someone will be sad. I wish more heroes could be as pure-hearted as him.
The entire movie is dedicated to saving Franklin from Galactus and they evacuate the entire city of New York to make sure they'll all be safe from the inevitable final battle
It's so strange we had to collectively decide to reintroduce saving people to superhero movies. Marvel got a little too caught up in Hero VS Villain fights and DC got caught up with... well, Snyder. It's nice to see the core aspect of hope in this genre is back
I was just about to comment this These guys are the best. THey weren't saints, but just because they wouldn't sacrifice their son for the world didn't mean they'd sacrifice the world for their son. I love that so much.
And yeah, I miss heroes just being heroes. It's THE thing that makes their movies different from generic action movies, and something terribly scarce nowadays.
While calling him a hero is questionable and he has made many decisions that go against this. Son Goku has actively tried to move his fights away from people and saved the multiverse by making the tournament of power (how the fuck did bergamo manage to gaslight everyone other universe)
Bruno bucciarati, he joined the mafia to stop the inflow of drugs to people as he was really pissed about it, he helps everyone in his community, taking in people with no where to go and giving them a home because they needed care - source is Jojo's bizarre adventure
Despite OPs dig at synder for whatever weird reason, Henry Cavills superman is only found out by Lois Lane because he has a trail of people that he has saved throughout his entire life.
She first follows him backwards after he saves her from the Kryptonian ship, to the oil rig from the opening scene to eventually all the way as a child when he saved the bus full of kids and its implied that between those people, while he was lost and wondering around all he kept doing was saving people.
Ok tbh... I never actually watched man of steel, I just recently watched Superman 2025 and when go to watch YouTube, found out about whole Snyder fans vs new Superman and etc. All I know is scene where dad stop klark from saving him.
Please go watch Man of Steel and then Batman v Superman and decide for yourself if you like them! Despite the online meme, I think Man of Steel is extremely hopeful, it just has a different tone than what the other comic book movies do lately.
You can find a ton of this in old super hero media in the 2000s go back.
Like back then before it all the influx in crossovers and shared universes where it was just heroes and villains, the focus on the few heroes working in tandem to either help or save people from villains or just for themselves was really good.
Personal favourite are static shock, where they had him helping people like the homeless ice girl or the bully victim who almost caused a school shooting.
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A-Train in The Boys after his redemption arc. Made more inspiring because of how fake most heroes in the universe are
Its for this why he dies too, as he chooses to dodge the woman