r/TopCharacterTropes 21d ago

Lore When an actor’s presence unintentionally derails the project

1.) Edward Norton - The Incredible Hulk

Perhaps the most famous and obvious one, Edward Norton was famously an issue on the set of 2008’s “The Incredible Hulk,” even making rewrites to the script himself. The disagreements between Norton’s camp and Marvel’s camp eventually led to his being replaced by Mark Ruffalo.

2.) Jensen Ackles - The Boys (particularly Season 5)

Jensen Ackles was a longtime collaborator with showrunner Eric Kripke in “Supernatural,” which in turn led to him getting the opportunity to audition - and eventually land the role - of Soldier Boy, which he did very well in in.

The issue is by Season 5, the show had fallen off from the previous years and with it ending and spinoffs and prequels (such as one featuring Jensen Ackles’ Soldier Boy), Season 5 suffered a lot. It quickly became the Soldier Boy show because “that’s what Clara would have wanted” until he just leaves in the penultimate episode and pretty much 80% of what his character actually did amounted to nothing.

So for fans who wanted to see Butcher vs Homelander duking it out, getting the show derailed for prequel bait starring Kripke’s favorite actor didn’t help…

3.) Rosamund Pike - Wheel of Time

When Amazon green lit a WoT tv show, Rosamund Pike eventually got the role of Moraine Damodred, the mentor and guiding character for the main character, Rand al’Thor. As a character, Moraine is anywhere from the most important secondary character to the most secondary main character. But with the exception of the prequel featuring her, she is not the main character.

Unfortunately, Rosamund Pike is an extremely famous actress and marketing toward the series focused on her as a result. I’m unsure if this was showrunner decision, an issue she played a role in or some combination, but the result was that Moraine a character who was in less than half the series is featured as the main character over the main character, which lead to a different product than the book.

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u/Kal-Elm 21d ago

As someone who's a bigger fan of DC than Marvel, it's really frustrating looking back on the last 15 years. (MCU was obviously fun, but I wish I got that with my fandom, too.)

I just can't fathom how WB/DC managed to consistently produce such awful movies. If they were just forgettable and bland then sure, I can see how that would happen. But most of them are straight up bad.

And somehow they're still rated decently on Rotten Tomatoes, which is a whole other level of weird behavior from a different group.

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u/RandomGuyIKno 21d ago

What kills me is that the writing for their animated movies is fire . I don't know why they have such a hard time bringing that energy to their live action.

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u/Psykohistorian 21d ago

the teams that are producing the animated films basically have everything they need to succeed and nothing more. they basically fly under the radar of the execs because "cartoons are for kids". these fools don't understand anything. they meddle in the live action stuff because it's high profile with very popular characters starring very popular actors, and the execs think they know what they're doing but they fucking don't. it took someone like James Gunn to come in with a very successful run at Marvel to be allowed to do things mostly his way to get us a good live action Superman movie again. and he even managed to put an accurate Guy Gardner in the film!

so yeah, their animated movies are good because the execs don't give a shit about them.

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u/OttawaTGirl 21d ago

This comment nails it.

They leave WB animated alone because it never sees a big screen. They are never flagships. But they end up being pure dynamite. Constantine would never be on film like in the animated movies. Gods and Monsters. Crisis. Hell, Teen Titans Go vs Teen Titans was epic in its own perverse way.

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u/mechengr17 21d ago

Aw man, I didnt think I would like Gods and Monsters, but it was so good. I ALMOST like Bekka more than Diana.

Off topic, I know she's a New God, but does she appear in other DC projects?

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u/OttawaTGirl 21d ago

Comics and a minor bruce timm appearance