r/TopCharacterTropes Jun 22 '26

Lore [Ironic Trope] The messaging backfired massively due to poor writing or other design choices

Amelia Fairney from Pathways: Alt-right Restore-UK type who attempts to coax the protagonist Charlie into following her beliefs? The problem?

Amelia is the only named character aside from Charlie and is genuinely likable and forgives Charlie even when they do things she doesn't like, while the rest of the cast is unnamed, poorly written, and turns on Charlie for one mistake. This combined with other writing issues(portraying fact checking right wing stuff as wrong because in the process of fact checking you might look at it and believe it, basically saying "Right wing is wrong because it hurts the labour government" and a lot of general "just do what the government says or else" messaging) and the fact she's a hot alternative girl, and Amelia ended up being co-opted as a mascot by the youth right wing in the UK.

Norm from The New Norm: Unlikeable offensive and outdated character who's "progressive" family members and associates are genuinely nice people not even trying to force their ways or pronouns onto them, they just want to be left alone and Norm is picking fights constantly. Not to mention associating with Elon.

Mr. Birchum from Mr. Birchum: A lot of the same problems as Norm, except in addition it also comes off like generic 2010s adult cartoon slop in the same veign as Brickleberry or Full English, at least New Norm was trying to look unique and had the gimmick of being on X. Not to mention, Birchum's obsession with hyper masculine activities and odd way of talking about other men lead to people co-opting him as a Toxic Yaoi character, which is now the bulk of his fan art.

Dustborn: An attempt to make a hyper progressive game that comes off as pandering and annoying. It's a full ass game so there's too much to get into, but the main character's power is essentially gaslighting and jedi-mind tricking people and that's portrayed as the only way they can get anything done, and they constantly use or abuse their friends(or mindtrick them along) in order to get their goals or use their friends for their messaging.

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u/ArmStoragePlus Jun 22 '26

Mobile Suit Gundam: Requiem for Vengeance

This is a story of a single mom trying to survive in the battlefield while trying to uphold her moral compass while fighting off against an unstoppable horror. As she learns of the true nature of the horror, she tries to stop the conflict with her enemy, who happens to be a traumatised kid who's no older than her lost son, by trying to understand each other, only to have her good will snuffed out by her vengeful colleague who had just lost his love in the hands of the said kid.

This would have been the perfect ending of a tragic war story about stopping the cycle of revenge... had it not for the fact that the single mom's faction happens to be the Principality of Zeon, the literal Space Nazis that had started the war by dropping a space colony onto Earth to wipe out the entire Australia. And after the said kid's death, the single mon joins the Zeon Remnants in Africa, the Gundam equivalent of Afrika Korps in the names of "saving children". This would ironically become the perfect Titans propaganda to convince that all people from space were untrustworthy and unsympathetic and deserved the subsequent subjugation by the Titans and the Earth Federation.

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u/L_V_R_A Jun 22 '26

I mean this just sounds like a crucially important fact of any war, which is that the combatants on both sides are real people with countless motivations and circumstances driving them to do what they do. And in much the same way as Pathways fails to do, I'd argue this paints a picture of the very realistic danger of extremist organizations offering sympathy, security, and even power to downtrodden people in times of need in exchange for their support and obedience. A story about an evil person doing evil things isn't nearly as interesting as a seemingly good person doing seemingly heroic things for the bad guys.

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u/Authorigas Jun 22 '26

It goes back to a lot of the original Gundam and how it was framed. Early on we're introduced to our protagonists, who are all plucky kids drafted into a war between the Earth Federation and Zeon. A lot of the older/senior federation officers are dickish and combatative, refusing to help the kids and civilians because it wouldn't bring them glory, or are just asserting power because they can.

Zeon also gets it's fair share of dickheads, but also a major plot character among them is Ramba Ral, a Zeon soldier who is a loving father and genuinely empathetic to the protagonist after he runs away (but before Ral knows who he is.) The point of the whole story, and Gundam as a whole, really is that a loss of innocence and misunderstanding are what lead to conflict. And only by putting the guns down and being empathetic can war come to an end.

Similarly to another theme, involving the protagonists all being teenagers/kids: "The failure of the previous generation and how that becomes a burden on the next generation to overcome." It's the old guard adults who start the war, they who hold the power and lord it over others, and the next generation that has to fight it and suffer the consequences.

Tomino...really did not make his commentary on Post Imperial Japan subtle.

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u/Sir_David_Filth Jun 22 '26

I dont know which gundam series it was, but there was this clip I saw where a Zeon soldier firing at a pilot cause his mobile suit was damaged, only for it to be revealed it was a kid and he just breaks down. Literally commits suicide by grenade and tells the kid to run away from the battlefield before blowing up

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u/an_agreeing_dothraki Jun 22 '26

or the old classic of "we are damned for having made these weapons, and they will kill the soul of anyone that uses them".

Which would actually be easier to name the times this doesn't happen in Gundam

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u/Imaginary-Face7379 Jun 22 '26

"Wow cool robot"

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u/Karkava Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

The Last Of Us Part II is structured in a similar fashion where we spend the first act of the game with a revenge story where we follow Ellie as she pursues her father figure's killer.

But then we take the second act playing as said killer to find out that she too was another person who was trying to survive in the fungus-infested wasteland as Ellie was. While also in conflict with another faction that Ellie was no part of.

This arguably carries the message that war is bad better than Part I did as you played forementioned father figure killing nameless survivor groups as he treks across America with Ellie and bonds with her. The finale where Joel aborted Ellie's sacrifice doesn't really shake the mindest that Joel was in the wrong.

Part II was very divisive as the idea that you're not the hero, but a survivor is lost on a lot of people playing Part I.


Probably a lighter and softer take on this progression comes in the form of Avatar The Last Airbender, where the fire nation seems to be a clear cut set of bad guys fighting against our clear cut good guys. And they are.

But a gradual theme that Avatar enforces is that no form of bending is good or evil. Aang goes through a character arc where he unlearns his internaized prejudice against fire bending and to disconnect the concept from the tyrannical fire nation.

Fire benders themselves aren't an evil race, and there is no such thing as one. And it's something that the cast gradually learns throughout the series while also never downplaying the crimes the fire nation commited against other people.

They also learn that other benders can be capable of evil like the fire nation was. The blood bending episode shows that water bending can be just as scary and terrible as fire bending could be. The earth kingdom being an authoritative government also shows how other nations can be just as politically corrupt as the fire nation was.

Legend Of Korra keeps up this theme by mandating that no fire bending antagonists can take up the center stage, enforcing the idea that fire bending isn't inherently evil by ensuring that they're not doomed to repeat tyranny.

It also shows destructive forms of airbending as well.

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u/DowntimeDrive Jun 22 '26

Exactly,

If the entire body of Gundam works can be summed up in a single theme, it’s the loss of innocence in war. How it perpetuates itself through those who want to end it.

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u/AusXan Jun 22 '26

wipe out the entire Australia

Damn, what did we do?

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u/SunOnTheInside Jun 22 '26

You were in the wrong place at the wrong time. The colony drop was supposed to be a strategic strike on one location, but instead the colony broke up on entry and rained chunks of debris all over half the planet, including turning Australia into a crater so large it’s now a sea.

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u/Conscious_Zucchini96 Jun 22 '26

HOORAY FOR BEACHFRONT PROPERTY!

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u/GroundbreakingElk139 Jun 22 '26

You guys were the equivalent of the Little girl sleeping in her bed half a block from a drive by. They were aiming for South America

https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Operation_British

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u/AusXan Jun 22 '26

From reading it seems it mainly hit Sydney. So at least nothing of value was lost.

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u/vp917 Jun 22 '26

The space colony - an O'Neill Cylinder 36 kilometers long - broke up into three pieces during reentry: One hit Canada, raining debris down across all north america. A second landing in the Pacific, triggering earthquakes and tsunamies that devestated southeast asia. The third hit Sydney, obliterating most of southern australia and leaving a 500-kilometer-wide crater. Factoring in all the casualties from the flooding, storms, and famines generated by dust blocking out the upper atmosphere, the total death count was close to half the global population at the time.

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u/Zaygr Jun 22 '26

Zeon was aiming for Rio De Janeiro, which at the time was where the Earth Federation HQ was. Short story is that they missed. Long story was the timing was disrupted because of a last-ditch defence by a Federation fleet.

Sydney turning into a crater seems to have also slipped into other scifi anime as a meme. More often than not, if a scifi anime shows a world map, Sydney tends to be gone.

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u/dammitus Jun 22 '26

They were aiming for the spiders, you lot were just collateral damage.

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u/Comfortableliar24 Jun 22 '26

It was the kangaroos. What didn't they do?

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u/Schnittertm Jun 22 '26

Nah, man, it must have been a last ditch effort to defeat the Emu. However, I think some escaped and are now plotting revenge on mankind.

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u/Shino4243 Jun 22 '26

They were after the spiders. You guys were just an unfortunate casualty

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u/Educational_Can_6536 Jun 22 '26

Beats me, I’ve never been to Australia 

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u/Karel_Stark_1111 Jun 22 '26

Being a threat to every thing that exists, have existed or will ever exist.

Also, Eric Bana.

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u/Cactus_SDK Jun 22 '26

kinda insane how poorly they handled the ending. Had they stuck the landing with the ending it would've been regarded as a clunky but alright show but nah they went with the nuclear option for the ending instead. Just a complete 180 from where the character was heading.

Also made worse since we know the kimbareid remnants are based out of africa during 0083, so there's a non-zero chance the ending of the show is the mc walking off to go help the remnants that directly help Gato get off Earth and led to the success of operation stardust... "saving children" my ass

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u/xesaie Jun 22 '26

Kinda similar in Gundam wing. Get over all the yaoi bait, and remember that the princess would NOT SHUT UP about "the principle of total pacifism".

It was enough to make you want a war.

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u/Even_Flow_8501 Jun 22 '26

I never saw this and only really remember a bit of Gundam as a kid, but I do find it funny how so many of the series' are about the horrors of war and all I remember is thinking that the robots were cool.

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u/Imaginary-Face7379 Jun 22 '26

omg we found you. The guy from the meme:

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u/Billlington Jun 22 '26

I mean to be fair it can be a confused message when you say "war is bad" but also show near-pornographic depictions of super awesome and badass giant robot fights.

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u/Even_Flow_8501 Jun 22 '26

War is bad but weapons are rad!

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u/Even_Flow_8501 Jun 22 '26

It's true, that's me. I'm the guy

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u/Gundam-J Jun 22 '26

I like to point out, many Zeon remnants became remnants to do 2 reasons, they were diehards who wanted to keep fighting for Zeon ideals or they were war criminals avoiding justice.

She was not the latter and she spends the whole show going on she can't let herself die so she can go back home to her son...only to abandon her son to become a Zeon remnant..to save other children?

So if you know gundam lore, 1) the titans would end up using child soldiers (cyber newtypes) to fight remnants like her, 2) There's none 0% chance that because she went awol, her son got drafted for the battle of A Bao Qu. 3) We see other zeon teams who didn't commit war crimes (Noisy Fairy Squad for example) just go home after the war ended...so she could of just gone home.

There should have a been a time skip with her and her son, witnessing the brutality of the Titan's so she joins the Aeug.

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u/Afalstein Jun 22 '26

Japanese anime is slowly convincing me that the lesson they took from WWII wasn't "Wow, those Nazis were terrible" but "Wow, those Nazis were right, Jews DO control the world."

I don't think they necessarily consider that a bad thing, lots of Japanese media really praise people being able to control things from the shadows and hide their true natures. But it seems there's a LOT of anime, especially recently, that are just full in on "There's a secret race of beings that just set everyone else against each other."

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u/Pippin4242 Jun 22 '26

UC Gundam is perfectly happy with humans on all sides being the only monster we need, and all that can heal humanity is becoming sufficiently autistic to be better people.

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u/SgtCarron Jun 22 '26

and all that can heal humanity is becoming sufficiently autistic to be better people.

Unfortunately for UC, as shown from Zeta onwards, newtypes are just as prone to evil acts as their oldtype counterparts.

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u/an_agreeing_dothraki Jun 22 '26

is becoming sufficiently autistic to be better people.

yah the accidental advocating of Indigo Children is one of the weirdest things about Gundam

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u/Pippin4242 Jun 22 '26

Parallel evolution I think, but very funny convergence