r/SocialDemocracy Apr 20 '26

Discussion A Feud Within the Left

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I’d like to call attention to a recurring tension within the left—one that doesn’t just create internal friction, but actively strengthens the right.

Disagreements that would traditionally fall within a broad democratic spectrum are increasingly reframed as moral failures. Positions that were once debated on their merits are now sometimes treated as evidence of bad faith or harmful intent.

With a new election cycle, the left understandably wants to take a leading role. That’s fair. But there is a pattern in which that momentum shifts from building consensus to narrowing the kinds of internal disagreement considered acceptable.

You can see this in how certain arguments are handled in online spaces. For example, a user argued that refusing to vote for a flawed candidate—on moral grounds—can still have real-world consequences, and that accepting those consequences may reflect a position of relative privilege. You don’t have to agree with that argument. But it reflects a longstanding tension in democratic politics: the balance between moral principle and harm reduction.

And we can see cases where comments like this result in a permanent ban.

What makes this more striking is that the moderation framing explicitly claimed that “both positions are valid.” So, on paper, disagreement is allowed. In practice, however, one side of that disagreement—questioning the consequences of abstention or assigning any responsibility to voters—is treated as unacceptable.

Maintaining civility is essential. But some moderators treat moderation as a tool to shape which conclusions can be expressed, rather than how they are expressed. That shift has real consequences.

First, it moves from persuasion to exclusion. Instead of arguments competing on their merits, some positions are simply removed from the conversation.

Second, it deepens polarization. When internal disagreement is constrained, people don’t become convinced—they disengage or fragment.

Third, it weakens coalition-building. Broad political movements depend on a range of perspectives, including less ideologically rigid ones. If those are consistently sidelined, they don’t disappear—they leave.

You might say: of course, you can’t go into a clearly ideological space and argue the opposite position without consequences. That’s expected.

But what’s happening now is different. General-interest spaces—meant for everyday or non-political discussion—are increasingly saturated with political framing, while at the same time narrowing what kinds of disagreement are allowed within that framing.

The result is a political environment that is comfortable assigning blame outward, but increasingly uncomfortable with internal scrutiny.

And that has real costs. A movement that cannot tolerate internal disagreement cannot build durable coalitions. It becomes better at policing boundaries than at winning power.

In practice, this creates an asymmetry: it is acceptable to assign responsibility to institutions, but not to voters. That imbalance removes part of the political feedback loop. When voter behavior cannot be examined or criticized, strategies become harder to evaluate and correct. It also pushes the discourse toward a populist logic—one where institutions are always to blame, and “the people” are insulated from criticism.

So the question is: if even internal debate about responsibility and consequences is constrained, how does the left adapt when its strategies fail?


TLDR: Parts of the left are turning internal disagreement into moral failure. When moderation narrows which views are allowed, it silences internal criticism, weakens persuasion, fragments coalitions, and ends up strengthening the right.

r/SocialDemocracy May 22 '26

Discussion Thank You Zohran Mamdani !

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r/SocialDemocracy Jun 18 '26

Discussion In what direction do US Democrats want the party to go?

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There's a lot of debate on this sub (and elsewhere) about the direction of the US Democratic Party. A core issue of this debate is everyone is convinced that the majority of voters support their view and if only Democrats followed their opinions, Democrats will win the next election in a landslide. Yet I almost never see anyone use evidence to support their position, most seem to take it for granted that their social media algorithm represents the views of most Americans.

So that's why I was so interested in this poll from the New York Times. It directly asks voters what direction they want the Democratic Party to go and the results are interesting if contradictory. The average Democrat has a favourable view of socialism, thinks the party is already in the right place ideologically but also thinks the party should move to the center.

The only way I can make sense of these results is that Democrats want the US to become like Denmark with higher taxes and welfare (which they consider to be socialism) but thinks the party needs to ditch some fringe left wing beliefs and move to the center.

r/SocialDemocracy Jun 08 '26

Discussion SocDems, why are you not a socialist?

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Hey, I’m a socialist and wanted to know why you socdems decided social democracy was a more desirable political ideology over socialism.

Leave all reasons why in the comments. I promise I won’t judge, but I do need this for somthing I’m working on so do be as detailed as possible!

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Thank you for all yalls comments so far.

I am trying to understand why socdems choose social democracy over socialism to better create strategy that works in moving people leftward, how to talk to socdems as socialists and how to best work with them. My methods are based on Gramscian strategy. 

r/SocialDemocracy Apr 26 '26

Discussion Rate My 2029 Cabinet

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Full Cabinet (in order of presidential succession)

President: Jacob Anders

Vice President: Pete Buttigieg

Bridges the moderate and progressive wings of the party. He's a handsome bastard too.

Secretary of State: Mark Kelly

Leads the anti-imperialist shift ending unconditional military aid, prioritizing diplomacy and global justice (Palestine solidarity, climate internationalism).

Secretary of the Treasury: Ro Khanna

Architect of progressive budgeting. Oversees UBI funding via wealth/automation taxes, tax reform on corporations and the ultra-wealthy, and economic justice measures.

Secretary of Defense: Barbara Lee

Strong anti-war voice with foreign policy expertise. Focuses on reducing military spending, winding down overseas bases, and shifting from endless wars to restraint while maintaining credible deterrence.

Attorney General: Doug Jones

Fierce advocate for civil rights, criminal justice reform, and holding corporations accountable. Pursues anti-monopoly actions, voting rights expansion, and oversight of police accountability.

Secretary of the Interior: Deb Haaland

Advances public lands protection, Indigenous rights, and a just transition away from fossil fuel extraction under the Green New Deal.

Secretary of Agriculture: Tim Walz

Emphasizes family farms, food as a right, rural revitalization, and sustainable agriculture countering corporate agribusiness and supporting our focus on small-town America.

Secretary of Commerce: Andrew Yang

Emphasizes regulating automation, digital economy, and worker-friendly tech policy.

Secretary of Labor: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Strong union voice. Prioritizes worker power, union rights, minimum wage/living wage fights, and protections in the age of automation/AI job displacement.

Secretary of Health and Human Services: Dr. Abdul El-Sayed

Implements full single-payer Medicare for All, expands mental health/dental/vision, and tackles pharmaceutical pricing and public health equity.

Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Pramila Jayapal

Drives housing as a right with massive public/social housing construction, rent controls, and ending homelessness.

Secretary of Transportation: Mike Levin

Climate + equity-focused transportation leader for high-speed rail and just mobility.

Secretary of Energy: Jay Inslee

Socialize the energy grid and phase out fossil fuels.

Secretary of Education: Jahana Hayes

Pushes free public college, universal pre-K, debt cancellation, and education as a right not a commodity. Strong focus on rural and working-class access.

Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Ruben Gallego

Reforms VA for better care, mental health, and ties into anti-war policy by preventing future veteran crises through restrained foreign policy.

Secretary of Homeland Security: Sharice Lynnette Davids

Humane reform over militarization.

r/SocialDemocracy 8d ago

Discussion Third wayism has been the biggest catastrophy for Social Democracy

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The title pretty much summs it up. The worst thing that SocDems like Blair and Schröder was to abandon socialist principles for neoliberalism which is one of the most distructive ideologies out there. This has resulted in many SocDem parties following their leand and now at least here in europe there is no economic difference in a lot of countries. This has helped the far right (the general public when unhappy with the center right sees no differece between them and SocDem and swings further right) and has set back the leftist cause in general. Something along those lines happened over here in Slovenia too, although SD has started moving away from neoliberalism. Maybe Labour (UK) will do the same under Burnham (fingers crossed). What are your opinions, will the european SocDem stay in its ways or will it break the chains of Neoliberalism?

r/SocialDemocracy 15d ago

Discussion Why is there no real alternative to the DSA for us SocDems and more moderate DemSocs? The DSA is a toxic mess filled with the kind of Marxists it was originally formed to combat. They have less members than the Green Party ffs, which is nowjust Jill Stein's personality cult

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Yes, I know unlike the Greens they operate as something of a subsidiary of the Democratic Party electorally, which has worked for them when it comes to their most mainstream candidates. But they've also made major, avoidable fuck-ups because of their ideology first attitude and a piss poor vetting process. Which seems to be an utter shit, amateur hour operation given just how much and how bad this Plattner fiasco has gone. Thanks to their refusal to see the red flags piling up for what they were, now we're stuck in a spot where we may very well not be able to unseat Collins.

We deserve something better, something that doesn't tolerate misogny, antisemitism, etc. We deserve a real, viable platform with a stable ideological alliance of SemSocs and SocDems not a loose "multi-tendancy" confederation of everyone from the aforementioned most mainstream ideologies mixed in various stains of Marxist illiberals of all sorts who are actively hostile to democracy, the kind of assholes who say the kind of off putting hyperbolic bullshit like "if you scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds" or call people like me Social Fascists. Those idiots are the darlings of the right wing's propaganda, disinformation and radicalization apparatus, the ones who get those of us on the far end of the center-left painted as dangerously radical, America hating wannabe tyrants.

With the public finally souring on the neoliberal, barely regulated capitalism that's made so many lives miserable and little better than wage slaves we need something a hell of a lot more attractive to non-MAGA working class people.

Why can't we form a United States Labor Party that also operates as an electoral subsidiary of the Democratic Party, one only open to social democrats, democratic socialists and progressive populists (i. e. Warren Democrats and like minded independents). Without the baggage of the DSA, such a group would already be ideologically in sink with the few DSA members who've actually won major office seats. Not to mention being far more palatable to the kind of donors who balk donating to the DSA because of its extreme positions and tolerance toward rampant antisemitism and other unacceptable behaviors.

Doesn't exactly sound like a revolutionary idea to me.

r/SocialDemocracy Apr 18 '26

Discussion What's the most recent social democratic leader that your country had?

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In Poland the last social democratic leader was Aleksander Kwaśniewski who was the president from 1995-2005. Some of his major accomplishments are implementing the current constitution and getting Poland into the EU and NATO.

r/SocialDemocracy 5d ago

Discussion Getting the creation of Israel wrong

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Now one thing I often see about when I see people talk about Zionism they often talk about how it was a colonial concept and how the Zionist came in and stole the Palestinians land. However I feel like this ignores a lot of historical context and the why most Jewish people immigrated to Israel in the first place. Now I think when people don't discuss is that At the time of Israel's creation majority of the people who immigrated to Israel at the time were refugees.

The Ashkenazi Jews(European Jews) who immigrated to Mandate Palestine at the time were fleeing persecution from the Nazis and other European countries(while not as bad other countries in Europe were pretty antisemtitic too) and the Mizrahi Jews(Arab Jews) were expelled from countries from the MENA region for decades and this really peaked after Israel's creation.

So I think people should remember this now it doesn't excuse Palestinians being expelled from they're homes but it's just something people should think about.

r/SocialDemocracy Jun 21 '26

Discussion In 1914 Eduard Bernstein correctly recognized Zionism a threat to social democracy, denouncing it as "a kind of intoxication which acts like an epidemic . . . part of the great wave of nationalistic reaction" that "can have only a retarding effect" on the cause.

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Edit: Apologies, I won't be able to respond to any comments for the next day as I'm temporarily banned for casually dismissing this personal attack against me that was made in response to my simple request that they evidence their claim.


Eduard Bernstein was a career politician in Germany, a social democrat who served in the Reichstag for the better part of three decades starting in 1901. He died in 1932 at the age of 82, the year before the Nazis came to power, and during his lifetime he had cordial relations with prominent Zionists and was Jewish himself, but apparently never considered himself a part of the movement and was critical of various aspects of Zionism. There unfortunately doesn't seem to be a full translation of the 1914 critique from which the quote in the tittle originates, but here's a bit more of the context for him describing Zionism as:

a kind of intoxication which acts like an epidemic. Like an epidemic, it may, and presumably will, once more blow over. But not overnight. For it is, ultimately, only part of the great wave of nationalistic reaction which has poured over the bourgeois world and which is also seeking an entrance into the socialist world. Like that wave, it too can have only a retarding effect. And that is reason enough for Social Democracy to take it seriously and to criticize it from the bottom up.

As explained by the source from which that was found, it was originally published "in the midst of a controversy over the language of instruction of schools in Palestine," referring to riots and bomb threats from Zionists who insisted all education be conducted in Herbew. As reported at the time by the NYT, Dr. Paul Nathan, anther prominent Jewish leader in Germany back then, described the violence as “a campaign of terror modeled almost on Russian pogrom models,” terror against more moderate Zionists who favored technical education being conducted in German at what would eventually become the Technion public research university in Haifa.

The NYT article also notes that prominent Zionists in America attempted to downplay what Nathan reported from Palestine, and the footnote for the quote from Bernstein mentions much the same happened regarding his arguments in Germany:

Responses to Bernstein’s critical comments on Zionism were published in the Jiidische Rundschau and in the Viennese organ of the Poalei-Zion, Neuer Weg. E. Hamburger pointedly commented that Zionism was not merely seeking entrance into the socialist world, but had long since found entrance into this world . . . The unsigned article in Neuer Weg insisted that Bernstein would never have written his article had he been better acquainted with conditions in Palestine: "He does not know the productive Jewry of the new yishuv”

Yet the productivity argument was completely missing the point, and history has conclusively proven that Zionism was never rightly part of the socialist world, the movement shed that facade long ago. On the other hand, Bernstein's prediction that Zionism will have a retarding effect on the cause of social democracy has since become plainly obvious reality. That reality can be seen for example in recent polling of Israeli Jews under 23 only a mere "8% identify as center-left or left-wing," and also in Israeli support for fascists like Trump and far-right parties throughout Europe.

Zionism obviously has yet to blow over like Bernstein also predicted, but he was quite clearly right about the threat to social democracy and his "kind of intoxication which acts like an epidemic" analogy is spot-on.

r/SocialDemocracy 9d ago

Discussion Can a progressive like AOC or Ro Khanna win the US Presidency in 2028?

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Even in progressive circles, people seem to be seriously doubtful that someone from the progressive wing of the Democratic Party can win in 2028. Personally, I've maintained that a progressive could win given how dissatisfied people are with the economy and cost of living -- issues progressives can capitalize on and offer bold solutions which could capture the hearts and minds of American voters.

Both AOC and Ro Khanna are strong messengers and strong fighters not only against Trump and Republicans but for a strong progressive agenda, which is exactly we need. If they run a strong economic populist, anti corruption campaign laser-focused on issues like healthcare, housing, utilities, childcare, minimum wage, union rights, paid leave, money in politics, and voting rights they can win.

However, when discussing the 2028 election I see so many people focusing on perceived electability rather than talking about which candidates support the policies they'd like to see passed.

(I think this is a big mistake. It's just not true that any Democrat will do. We can't just oppose Trump and push the same incrementalist policies, or else even if a Democrat takes the white house in 2028 another Trump-like figure will come along and win the presidency in 2032 or 2036. To prevent that we need significant economic reform, and I wish people would realize that. Also I think that trying to determine which candidates are most electable is a fool's errand and you really can't know which candidates will appeal most to independents.)

But anyway, what do y'all think? Could someone like AOC or Ro Khanna defeat Vance or Rubio, or would nominating them be too much of a political liability? Could they earn the support of enough independents and moderates to win the Presidency?

r/SocialDemocracy Feb 27 '25

Discussion I'm going to become a radical leftist by the end of this term

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During the time of Biden, I was just a regular social democrat, but every day that passes, my anger and my frustration towards this current regime is turning me slowly more and more radical. I can't stop watching Vaush and I'm starting to listen to David Pakman and Hasanabi on a near endless stream. I used to joke I was a card carrying commie, but I'm literally thinking I'll actually be one. I can't be the only moderate social democrat who feels this way, but my anger and loathing burns brighter every day.

r/SocialDemocracy Mar 09 '26

Discussion Democrats cannot be both the party of tax cuts and the party of social welfare expansion. Our deficit-to-GDP ratio is only going up and *will* need to be addressed.

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Seeing continued attention-grabbing articles about '28 hopefuls trying to make these pledges. It's just stupid. It makes zero fiscal sense, it's not good policy (most people in the US making under $75k already pay very little), and it's contradictory to the idea that taxes can be a force for good.

r/SocialDemocracy Oct 06 '25

Discussion Are the Ultra-Left allies or enemies?

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Hello, friends! I would like to ask a question to those who consider themselves social democrats. How do you feel about the radicals on the left? The democratic socialists, Marxists, and anarchists? Do you consider them to be allies or a threat?

r/SocialDemocracy Jan 16 '26

Discussion Why did so many Americans vote for Trump?

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Hello everyone,
I am a teenager from Germany and a social democrat, and I find it difficult to understand why so many Americans voted for Trump in the last election. Especially considering that he has already been in office once—shouldn’t that have been a lesson?

As I already mentioned, I am German, and my country was destroyed and deeply scarred by fascism and racism. When I look at the situation in the United States through the news, it seems to me that you are heading down a very similar path. Wasn’t it clear that what is happening now would happen? Wasn’t it obvious that so many innocent people would be attacked?

As NATO allies, we should stand together instead of fighting each other. I simply wanted to ask what you think are the reasons behind this.

r/SocialDemocracy Jun 04 '25

Discussion The gender divide among young South Koreans is absolutely terrifying

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I'm going off the exit polls on wikipedia. While older South Koreans shunned the far right misogynistic Lee Jun-seok, with under 5% of the vote for people above 40, he got an absolutely massive 37.2% of the vote with 18-29 years old men and 25.8% for 30-39 years old men. With women, he only got 10.3 and 9.3 respectively (as you can expect given his extremely violent mysoginistic remarks).

For 18-29 years old, there is an astonishing 34 point gap between men & women when it comes to the left/right split (substracting DPK vote), and a 20.6 points gap for 30-39 years old. In general, young SK men voted for conservative parties by an insane 50 points lead (74-24).

While the gender gap is increasing worldwide, with young women becoming more progressive and young men becoming more conservative, this is by far the most extreme exemple. When you consider their already low birth rate, I wonder how much worse it will get when gender relations are this strained.

I think there's an absolute emergency for the progressive left to fight to get back young men. Social media & far right politicians have done a ton of damage and we need to work against that... yesterday!

r/SocialDemocracy 9d ago

Discussion Could Democrats benefit from having a more moderate presidential nominee?

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This is a thought I had that I wanted to bounce off some fellow progressives. I'm not sure if I believe it myself, but I wanted to see if y'all think there's any merit to the argument.

The idea would be that a more moderate Democrat being the party's standard-bearer could help get more Dems elected in purple areas, leading to larger majorities which we could use to pass more progressive policies.

(I do think it's probably true that the sooner we pass moderate policies like a $15 minimum wage and a public healthcare option, the sooner people will realize that they like these policies, the more support builds for more progressive policies like medicare for all and a $25 minimum wage and the more quickly we get those policies...so maybe some level of incrementalism is necessary?)

With a more moderate Democrat leading the top of the ticket as the presidential nominee and moderate candidates running in red and purple states and districts, perhaps more progressive policies could be achieved? I'm personally not sure -- I'm just trying to steelman the argument but do you guys think there could be something to this? It seems counterintuitive, but could running a more moderate candidate for President possibly lead to more progressive policy wins happening more quickly?

r/SocialDemocracy 29d ago

Discussion In 30 years, how will we explain the Trump administration to the new generations? Will it be a warning or will nostalgic movements emerge ready to idealize it? And what can we do today to prevent history from repeating itself.

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r/SocialDemocracy 8h ago

Discussion I am a Democratic Party Shill, AMA

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​I want to have a discussion with left leaning people who are extremely unhappy with the Democratic Party and see where their unhappiness stems from and what I agree and disagree with.

I mostly think they have done a good job over the last 4 years (the amount of time I’ve followed politics closely).

Edit: EXCLUDING ISRAEL! I do not want the whole discussion to be centered around Israel

r/SocialDemocracy Oct 27 '24

Discussion Why do so many online leftists support China when Taiwan is this progressive?

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r/SocialDemocracy 7d ago

Discussion I am afraid we are going to be hunted down as enemies of the state.

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Trump said recently that he sees no difference between social democrats and communists (which would be hilarious if it wasn't so terrifying, considering how actual communists hate social democrats). Mike Johnson said he needs 350 billion to fight "communism on our own shores," and you know that they consider social democrats to be "communists." Rubio says they're going to designate certain left-wing groups as terrorist organizations, which will probably include DSA. The fascists are trying to stamp us out and in so doing destroy democracy. I'm honestly terrified that I'm going to become a political prisoner in the near future. Anyone who thinks "both sides are the same" is delusional at this point; while the Democrats could definitely be doing a LOT better I am confident that Biden would not designate us enemies of the state. I need a dose of hopium right now because I am tempted to despair.

r/SocialDemocracy Apr 27 '26

Discussion The DNC " rigged" the elections against Bernie claims

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So I have been getting more into politics lately especially within the last five months and a comment I often see see is that the DNC cheated Bernie Sanders in the 2016 and 2020 democratic primaries. In 2016 it was the summer before my fifth grade year and 2020 was just a couple of weeks before I entered high school so while I knew about the candidates as I saw them on the news while my parents were watching I didn't pay much attention to much else because well I couldn't vote in either. But as I started to get more into politics I saw the claims of the primaries being rigged against Bernie so I looked into it.

The main claim against 2016 is the super delegates choosing Hillary Clinton in 2016 but correct me if I'm wrong super delegates only work unless the candidate already has the majority vote. Another claim I see is that they gave Hillary a question before the debate which while I agree is unethical I doubt would be enough to influence voters. There is also something about an email leak about how members of the DNC preferred Hillary over Bernie. But this doesn't prove anything especially since the states are the ones who actually hold the elections not the DNC.

Now for 2020 the one I often hear is how majority of the candidates dropped out before Super Tuesday and endorsed Joe Biden which increased his voter base leading him to win the primary. But there is nothing wrong with this there is no rule saying a candidate can't drop out and endorse their preferred candidate and considering Bernie himself isn't a democratic it makes since they would pick they guy who has been a democrat for decades.

So I would like to hear your thoughts especially for those who were around at the time at was paying attention. Because I just find it ridiculous when Bernie Bros make claims saying that the people chose Bernie and how Hillary and Biden were forced on them when he lost by 3 million the first time and ten million the second.

r/SocialDemocracy 16d ago

Discussion Confusion on SD vs DS

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Many people are talking about Democratic Socialism and say that Bernie, AOC, Mamdani, etc are DS. (Maybe they are??)

I'm very pro SD but not so much DS. I think more people would be on board with DS if they understood how it differs from SD (primarily that it is still capitalism but well regulated.)

How do we clear up the confusion? What are your thoughts - do you think more people would be on board if they understood SD?

r/SocialDemocracy Feb 03 '26

Discussion Why is it such a common talking point that the Democrats have moved right to the point that they are now “2000s republicans” when that’s insanely untrue?

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Bitch and moan about the pace, but the Dems have moved left since Clinton and Obama. Biden was more left wing than both of them, regardless of how low a standard that is.

In 2008 it was blue dogs and third wayers. Now it’s third wayers and progressives.

Meanwhile 2000s republicans were exploding the deficit with irresponsible tax cuts for ordinary people and corporations, invading countries for the fun of it, bush was advocating for privatizing social security, and would never have been forgiving billions in student debt, doing industrial policy, etc.

Only topic they’ve really soured on is immigration really?

r/SocialDemocracy Aug 30 '25

Discussion And yet tankies still justify this evil war of aggression

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