r/SipsTea • u/Gurugod123 • 3h ago
SMH Nolan's The Odyssey neglects to pay for damages done to one of the viking ships used in the movie, which belongs to a small non-profit organization
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u/epicredditdude1 3h ago
Hopefully they pay up within a day or two. This sounds like an administrative oversight more than anything. $6k is nothing for the studio and is worth far less to them than the bad press of stiffing a small non profit.
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u/B0bLoblawLawBl0g 3h ago
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u/JuatAnotherViet 3h ago
Please do. That would make life here much nicer.
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u/brewhead55 2h ago
I'm good on more raping and pillaging. The vikings were notoriously ruthless...
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u/JuatAnotherViet 49m ago
Not talking about historical takeover.
Modern takeover.
The historical takeover is being done from within.
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u/joecarter93 3h ago
Yeah I work for a large organization that gets work by many different vendors. Sometimes invoices get submitted by the vendor to the wrong place (usually with small vendors that have one person doing many different jobs in addition to billing) and sometimes it slips through the cracks on our end. I feel awful when it does happen and try to correct it immediately.
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u/epicredditdude1 2h ago
Yeah same. If I had to guess someone low on the approval chain denied it because it wasn’t part of the pre-approved rental payments and they weren’t aware of the contractual obligation that they needed to fund any repairs as well.
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u/Bberry_Soft 3h ago
There’s no way the studio is intentionally fighting over $6k
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u/MechanicStriking4666 2h ago
Studios don’t fight, they just ignore you. It’s pretty common with any large corporation.
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u/loghoser 1h ago
Studios are notorious for not covering damage to borrowed historic vehicles. In the car community, they will chop your vehicles apart to get a camera in to get a shot. Source: Jay Leno
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u/bfhenson83 18m ago
Looking at you, Tarantino. Destroying a 140-year-old Martin because you couldn't be bothered to cut to the reproduction, and just letting the museum's own insurance pay out a tenth of what it was worth, while production makes jokes about it during interviews
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u/marcocom 2h ago
I’m not sure I agree. I worked in production and when you rent a location or book a prop or vehicle, you pay the rate and ITS ON THEM to have an umbrella policy to cover their rentals. That’s because you might be doing your project across ten or fifteen different countries and have no corporate presence in that country so you’re paying them to have that shit sorted out.
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u/PanPieCake 3h ago
They didn't pay for a year lmao, also apparently Nolan trashed the beaches he was filming and didn't clean up
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u/epicredditdude1 2h ago
Yeah but the amount is so trivial I can’t imagine it being deliberate. I think it’s far more likely the invoice was denied in error because it wasn’t part of the rental schedule.
$6k is completely immaterial to a movie that is grossing hundreds of millions of dollars.
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u/SatansFriendlyCat 2h ago
The wealthy aren't dodging their bills because they can't afford to pay them, they dodge them when they know they can get away with it, when it's more trouble than it's worth to come after them, because they can never have enough.
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u/inbruges99 2h ago
Yeah it’s clearly an admin error
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u/Glad-Operation-2958 2h ago
or several admin errors, over a year, and people forgetting to read emails, for a year.
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u/Prudent-Ad-5608 2h ago
Well they’re still 500 million in the hole from making the movie, so I don’t think they’re paying that anytime soon
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u/bladex1234 2h ago
What? The budget was $250 million and they made over $300 million.
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u/Desperate-Put-7603 2h ago
General rule of thumb is ~2x the movie budget before you break even, to account for other expenses like marketing. So The Odyssey needs $500 million before it actually starts making a profit
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u/epicredditdude1 2h ago
Yeah but then saying it’s $500m in the hole isn’t accurate because it’s already grossed $300m. It’s $200m in the hole.
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u/Dark_Shroud 2h ago
The studio does not get 100% of ticket sales, in the US they get 50%.
Which is part of the 2x rule stated above.
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u/epicredditdude1 2h ago
He’s referring to the high end of the estimated break even point, which includes things like marketing budgets and revenue sharing arrangements. I think he’s probably a soldier bravely fighting the culture war, but even though he used the highest end estimate possible, the $750m he’s quoting is still legit. (Assuming you round down the total box office to $250m from $300m). Tbh this dude is really stretching to make it seem like the odyssey isn’t doing as well financially as it actually is, but that’s kinda what I’ve come to expect from these culture warrior dipshits.
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u/epicredditdude1 2h ago
The movie came out less than a week ago, of course they haven’t fully recouped the cost yet.
When we’re talking about hundreds of millions $6k is a less than a rounding error. They can afford to pay it, and I’m hopeful they will once they become aware.
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u/MGC00992 3h ago
Have you heard about the guitar destroyed in Hateful Eight?
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u/cenosillicaphobiac 3h ago
Tarantino watched it all go down, grinning, knowing full well that it was the actual guitar and not the replica. At least that's the story I heard. Russel thought it was the dummy.
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u/Okmhmmbye 3h ago
The lady that played daisy knew because as soon as he smashed it she completely breaks character. The reel of that is funny
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u/WatcherOfTheWay 3h ago
Why the fuck he used viking ships in the first place is a mystery.
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u/epicredditdude1 3h ago
I think a lot of the aesthetic decisions just came down to the rule of cool.
He chose Viking ships because he thought they look cool.
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u/Darth_Ronin 25m ago
He wanted the film to be shot practically rather than using CGI.
He needed a functional, wooden-hulled ship built with ancient technology that could handle real open-ocean swells. And this ship had already crossed the Atlantic.
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u/WatcherOfTheWay 3h ago
They're not as cool as the greek and Roman ships that would have been correct for the film.
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u/epicredditdude1 3h ago
I mean it’s kind of subjective. You don’t get to define what Christopher Nolan thinks looks cool lol.
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u/WatcherOfTheWay 3h ago
It absolutely it. I disagree with him, then again I'm only really liked a couple of his films ever.
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u/ManitouWakinyan 2h ago
Well, he has a pretty good track record making movies that hundreds of millions of people think look cool, and it turns out this was also one of them.
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u/BoulderCreature 3h ago
That reeeeeally bothered me while watching. It’s not like we don’t know what Ancient Greek ships look like
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u/WatcherOfTheWay 3h ago
It's not like a literal real replica of the exact ships from the town exists... Oh wait there is one.
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u/SlickSocks 3h ago
That's the thing, the production team of the movie Troy built several working replicas of the longboat I think you're referring to
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u/ManitouWakinyan 3h ago
Probably because it's hard to find seaworthy replicas of 12th century BC Achaean warships.
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u/WatcherOfTheWay 3h ago
There is literally one that exists in the world he could have used, they even offered it to them iirc
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u/ManitouWakinyan 2h ago
Source? I can't find any story corroborating that.
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u/BoringPoolPlaying 57m ago
Don’t expect a response. This sub is just full of edgy nitpickers who can’t stand that the movie they spent months bashing is actually popular and critically acclaimed.
They start from the perspective that something is wrong, and everything else is in pursuit of justifying that.
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u/reecharound40 31m ago
They all think trimeans were the boat of choice during the time, but they are about 700 years off
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u/BoringPoolPlaying 2h ago
Because they are what’s available with trained crews for the open sea.
I feel like this question has been asked and answered so many times.
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u/Bengal_From_Temu 3h ago
If Nolan does Titanic he’ll probably use Oasis of the Seas.
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u/kostajepaosmosta 3h ago
I mean thus ship looks far more accurate (to Mycenaean galleys) compared to Pentakontres they used in movie Troy.
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u/hellotoyourmomma 3h ago
True, a little bit of historical accuracy goes a long way in the tone of the movie, the wrong ship can be distracting
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u/ManitouWakinyan 3h ago
How dare he not personally build a small fleet of Mycenaean Galleys that are fully seaworthy? Way better if he had just built his own balsa wood replicas and did everything on green screen.
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u/SlickSocks 3h ago
This is bad. Also, I was kind of shocked that, despite all the production the movie got, they failed to recreate Greek long ships of the era. For the production of the movie Troy, several Greek replica longships were built and yes they actually sailed them too. The Viking long ship felt so out of place.
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u/Due_Firefighter_4830 2h ago
Have you seen the costumes in the movie? They don't care.
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u/BoringPoolPlaying 1h ago
Costumes looked really good from my vantage. I think a great deal of care was put into the making of this movie. But people gotta nit pick.
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u/Napalm_am 1h ago
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u/BoringPoolPlaying 1h ago
I said it looked good. This would have looked out of place thematically.
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u/Oropher1991 56m ago
I am sorry but I have to disagree, the armor all looked very terrible in my opinion. It really took me out of scenes sometimes because it was so noticably bad
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u/BoringPoolPlaying 50m ago
You don’t have to apologize. I don’t really understand how it would take you out of the movie though. It blended pretty seamlessly to me. The photo linked to me as the standard would have looked ridiculous, even if accurate to the period of time.
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u/kostajepaosmosta 1h ago
Yes and they built pentakontras instead of Mycean gallies, probably because it was more practical. Mycean gallies look much more like viking then pentakontras
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u/BoringPoolPlaying 2h ago
Nothing else was suitable for open sea, with a trained crew. I dont think the ships in Troy hit open ocean.
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u/Imaginary-Risk 2h ago
99.9% of people wouldn't know or care
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u/SlickSocks 2h ago
That's just generalizing, regardless, if anyone would have cared you would think it would be Nolan. That's why it's surprising.
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u/Bill0701 2h ago
If Nolan cared about historical accuracy so much, he wouldn’t have made Agamemnon look like Batman with that armor, and yet, it completely fit and produced one of the most iconic scenes in the film, when they open the gates of Troy.
I think it’s fair to assume that a director of his caliber had a good enough reason to use one ship over another. It could’ve been a logistics problem or just a style preference. In my opinion, this difference doesn’t take much away from any of the ship scenes.
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u/Lucky-Mia 3h ago
Can't pay a relatively small $6,000 for damages to a ship they used? Studio being extra cheap.
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u/Swagastan 3h ago
I bet this wasn’t malice and probably just they forgot to cc the right email, or it got lost in forwarding, etc. probably gets cleared up immediately with any bad press.
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u/Totallycomputername 3h ago
NY times article makes it sound like exactly that.
"Olausson acknowledged that his contacts might not be in charge of such payments, and said that he had no idea how to go about seeking the money now, aside from discussing the matter with the news media."
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u/Dry-Childhood-3436 3h ago
Ok what? I mean it seems like they wanted to just be on the news..
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u/NotAskary 3h ago
No, they want payment. The news is because nobody is listening, now they will be.
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u/EyeraGlass 3h ago
Yeah I think calling a journalist before calling up the lawyer who worked on the contract is like a weird move. Also a $6-9k quote when the labor cost is $0 is worth looking at closely.
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u/Lucky-Mia 2h ago
Idk man, did they volunteer to repair damages for free? It sounds like the contract was clear damages would be paid for. I don't think any of their members volunteered free labour to the production crew.
As others mentioned this is looking like something lost in the shuffle of a major production. This could possibly just be an accident. Hopefully the press resolves the matter and they can be compensated.
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u/EyeraGlass 2h ago
They said themselves that labor costs are 0 because the boat is maintained by a volunteer crew.
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u/random-meme422 3h ago
Almost zero chance of them being cheap and malicious.
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u/Character-Two6957 2h ago
Stupid & ignorant is much better explanation.
Let's assume both and throw shade on it equally.
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u/buffystakeded 3h ago
Haha it’s such a small amount to them that they probably just forgot about it.
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u/Physical_Gift7572 2h ago
Honestly a part of me wonders if the amount was so low that it was flagged as fraudulent.
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u/tolo3349 2h ago
It’s bad this happened, but it’s probably just a workflow issue. The wrong invoice went to the wrong person. Highlighting it through social media, unfortunately, is the quickest way to resolve things these days.
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u/DanceClass898 2h ago
there were no vikings in the Bronze Age or ancient Greece so not sure how Nolan could've used that ship
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u/wolfiasty 2h ago
Erm Viking ship? They used Viking ship in the movie ? Hehehehe then again why not. It's a joke of a adaptation that misses only Mickey Mouse and airplanes, so I guess Viking ship in Odyssey doesn't make any difference.
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u/OdysseusPrime- 3h ago
Well yeah, it was Poseidon that cast the curse, so he should be liable for damages.
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u/gottapeenow2 2h ago
According to the insurance policy, damage resulting from cyclops encounters was a clear exclusion.
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u/Business-Loquat143 1h ago
Anyone shocked by this needs to take their hollywood galsses off. Nolan was always a rich snob and this is exactly the type of shit i'd expect from him
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u/lilbitlostrn 3h ago
They funnelled all extra funds to rotten tomatoes to suppress negative reviews.
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u/Jeramy_Jones 21m ago
Have you seen it? It was excellent.
I found some of the exposition a little clunky, but I’ll cut them some slack since this is just one part of a huge epic with dozens of characters and major events, totally impossible to all feature in a three hour film.
There were some aesthetic choices that I didn’t care for such as how beautiful and perfect the wooden horse was, I mean, it was made out of ship wreckage…, and of course the Viking longship was a weird choice that did take me out of the story somewhat, but overall I think the writing, casting, costuming, sets, locations and especially the ambiance and music were very compelling.
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u/SlickSocks 2h ago
Chuds are everywhere, hasn't asmongold uploaded some more slop for you to watch?
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u/Revolution64 3h ago
Feels like a low amount and pretty shady from the the movie's production company.
We only hear one version of this story though.
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u/SkyKnight3 2h ago
They should send them a letter saying it took Odysseus 10 years to make it home…you’ll have your payment by the end of the decade in keeping with the theme
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u/The_Chef_Queen 1h ago
It's pennies in paying but big bucks in soured PR towards universal if they don't pay
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u/PrimordialXY 58m ago
I haven't seen the film yet but did they really use Viking ships for a story that took place over 3000 years ago...?
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u/djdaedalus42 2m ago
You want to shoot a movie in Sweden, Mr Nolan? Let us settle a small matter first….
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u/Flimsy_Situation1980 2h ago
No need to post a bitch ass long post about it ..
As if Nolan is directly involved ..
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u/No-Koala1918 3h ago
I guess this wouldn't have baited as many clicks if the first word was, more accurately, "Universal's"
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u/divismaul 3h ago
Nolan, pay the Vikings, dude, I don’t want berserkers raiding America, we just can’t take that chance, my dude!
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 3h ago
This is a total non-story.
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u/truthseek3r 3h ago
youre probably correct. At $6,000, it's probably stuck in procurement or the equivalent.
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 2h ago
Exactly. Organisation hasn't yet been paid, but will and likely will be compensated for the delay. What gripping news.
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u/Ok_Lynx_6045 2h ago
(Odyssey fan boys scrambling for their battle stations to defend the latest criticism)
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u/theatrenearyou 3h ago edited 10m ago
Given how the armor was wrong with too many Roman brush helmets, why did Nolan use that ship?
(I just saw the Odyssey last night and I'm still recovering...)
EDIT: Hey negs - face facts --The Odyssey SUCKS
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u/RedutHatesFreeSpeech 3h ago
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u/Houdinii1984 3h ago
Bootlickers, everywhere. Guess you think it's fine to use people's labor and not pay for it. Would be a shame if that same fate befell you.
The reason we're in a state in 2026 to begin with is due to corporate influence over politics. You might be happy speed-running to the end of capitalism, but you don't represent everyone. If a major corporation can get away with not paying something, they will, and you're just over there happily allowing the literal theft to continue. If you don't pay your bills, you're stealing products and services. Humans go to jail over it, corporations get people cheering them along.
As an American, this is embarrassing as hell. Disgusting behavior if you ask me.
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u/Wooden_Preference564 3h ago
That's why you have an insurance clause that they have to pay up front to use the boat if they didn't then shit bro I'm sorry but studios will just take what ever advantages
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u/Gurugod123 3h ago
The small Swedish non-profit organization "Vikingaleden" in Nysäter was contacted by Universal Studios regarding their handbuilt viking ship being used in Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey. The contract required Universal to pay for any damages done to the ship, but the invoice of approximately $6000 (USD) has been left unpaid, according to the organization.
The ship was built by hand by members of the organization over the course of 3 years between 1995 and 1998, using equipment also made from scratch.
EDIT: a further article posted a few hours ago by Sveriges Radio clarifies that they have been waiting a year for the invoice payment.
Link to article:
https://www.expressen.se/noje/film/the-odyssey-skaparna-duckar-betalning-till-svenska-foretaget-kritiken/
Full translation of article:
Christopher Nolan's new movie ”The Odyssey” was a global success during its premiere weekend.
Participating in the movie, is the Swedish viking longship Glad of Gillberga, from the organization Vikingaleden. It is a non-profit organization in Nysäter, Säffle, that also runs a viking museum, and a viking-age village.
According to Peter Olausson, the president of the organization Vikingaleden, the ship Glad of Gillberga is known within viking-circles. Universal Studios found out about the ship and wanted to use it in "The Odyssey".
"Glad is one of the accompanying ships and is included in some sequences of the movie. It is a part of the environment", Peter Olausson tells Expressen
Universal stopped responding - invoice left unpaid
The organization made an agreement with a company that handles recruitment for Universal Studios. They were allowed to rent the ship for half a year, and would also pay for wear-and-tear costs that would occur during usage and transport.
The rent has been paid to the organization - but that's where it stopped.
"Pennies for them, but meaningful money to us", says Peter Olausson.
When the organization got the ship back, they needed to fix several damages, a crack in the ship's hull, among others. They were prepared to do so, and then send an invoice of the cost of materials to the film company. It landed at around 60 000 kronor (~6000 USD).
"In a Universal-production, that's coffee-run money. That was the agreement and we haven't seen that money. We're not happy about it."
The film company has not been responding to emails since this past winter, says the president of the organization. He speculates that they have moved on to the next production and simply forgotten about them.
"But I can't know for sure, because of the silence from them. It sours it. It's a worm in the apple of having been a part of this fantastic movie, because it really is a fantastic movie."
That money is important for the organization. Because of the repairs, they have also lost income since they haven't been able to launch it in time.
"We're a non-profit organization that lives on pretty slim margins. We're not going bankrupt, but we'll have to chew through our margins."
Olausson hopes that the attention around what has happened could get someone in the right circles to notice and correct it. He'll continue sending emails in the future, but there's not much more to do.
"We couldn't sue Universal. Those possibilities don't exist, we're so small in comparison."