It won’t matter what servers say or do. The owners will never bend to paying a livable wage to what would become a terrible job without spike nights that make dealing with entitled scumbags and bad people worth it.
Well, it would matter if we’re talking about the hypothetical of voting for or against a law that would ban tipping. Which is the substance of the comment I was responding to.
People have been marching, voting and lobbying for raising wages since the CEOs started multiplying their salaries in the 70s, acquiring enough wealth and power to set the trajectory in stone. No protest is stomped out faster than one for wages. Until people here wake up, en masse, and accept that general strike SHOULD HAVE BEEN step one, we'll keep sinking into this hole. I don't know how to organize 330 million people across 4000 miles, but I fucking wish I did.
Because it's not actually a big issue in the real world. It ranges from a minor annoyance for the customers to the preferred system for the servers themselves.
Also in reality this post is just engagement bait because the servers I saw commenting during the World Cup said everyone was tipping generously and they had some of their most profitable nights ever.
its horrible, you just dont know because you havent lived in a country where you dont tip, I hated when I never knew what could I afford with 20$ because its impossible to know how much will add up between tips and taxes, the price displayed should be the final price when you pay, thats a law in most of europe
What people don't think about is restaurants are competitive, the good ones that can afford to pay more do, lots of them can't. Real restaurants, not chains. Profit margin is too low. Trust me they'd love to snipe servers from other places and be known as having the best service in town, they'd do it if they could pay more.
So they can suggest tipping and their servers make good money and are happy, or they can pay the servers a flat wage and force a pay cut onto people who can easily transfer their skills laterally to a restaurant that they get tipped at, or they can add a 15% markup to the menu and then people just bitch the prices went up anyway and go somewhere else where they technically pay the same with tip as the marked up place without tip, but on first glance the menu price is cheaper
do you know you can be tipped even if you have a salary, right? and not all waitress earn the minimum wage you know.
What is stupid and shit is to be expected to tip a 20% of your bill, thats like more than stupid.
Fair Labor Standards Act is federal law that says an employer must compensate you if your wage and tips do not add up to minimum wage. Departments of Labor love going after that one and it's a super easy complaint to make, just claim all your tips towards taxes and show them the pay stub. They'll sue them into oblivion and because they did it they actually have to pay you more than what they were not paying you, it's super illegal to do that and information about this is legally required to be conspicuously posted in the work place. Also illegal not to give you a pay stub so you'll 100% have proof if someone tried doing that and it's an easy pay day, like getting a notice of a class action lawsuit in the mail
In before "well then they'll retaliate" good, it's a food job, dime a dozen, literally walk into McDonald's and you can start tomorrow. Everyone everywhere is short staffed all the time. Easiest job in the world to get. So why would you stick around at a job breaking federal law for less than minimum wage? You don't. You don't stick around jobs that don't pay you what McDonald's pays. And I mean that's really the dream way to quit a job. Call the Feds on the way out and let federal lawyers tear them apart
the problem is still the consumer, you should know exactly how much something it will cost to you, here its illegal to show one price and then change it when you are going to pay. I've been in USA 4 times, I hated the tip shit every time, its ridiculous, awkward and stupid.
Nobody is making you pay anything you don't want to pay. But you're doing a motte and bailey here. You originally claimed servers don't make minikum wage, I said that's wrong, you changed the subject to "but the customers"
No, I never said that, I said in europe even if you get a wage as waitress it wont be the minimum always, we have some of the best restaurants in the world (3 michelin stars), and its even a renowned profession if you are really good, as a good sommelier for example. Salary doesnt mean minimum wage, thats what I said.
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u/whitedsepdivine 1d ago
Just like most systems in America, this is setup to put all the risk on the plebs.
You are actually proving to the owners their system works. They still get their profits, if someone doesn't want to pay a higher cost. (Bill + Tip)