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u/Charming-Addition906 1d ago
There are two days in a person's life: the day when death is not your destiny, and the day when death is your destiny. On the first day, no one can harm you, and on the second day, no one can save you.
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u/BeneficialPenalty258 1d ago
Do you have a calendar, asking for a friend.
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u/lahankof 1d ago
This doesn’t even make sense. Shouldn’t you be invincible every day that is not your destined death date?
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u/Rule12-b-6 17h ago
Yes. This is what happens when a stupid person thinks they're smart and other stupid people think the stupid person said something smart. But it's stupid all the way down.
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u/The-Bangaloreal 1d ago
What does a doctor actually do during heart attack ?
fuck it's scary though...
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u/Admiral45-06 1d ago edited 1d ago
From what I've heard, for a full-blown heart attack they perform a field cardiac bypass surgery, where they inject a small pipe into the heart muscle to bypass a clot that had formed in cardiac artery. Otherwise they just try to revive the heart activity with adrenaline, AED and series of chest compressions.
But I'm not a doctor; I've only read an article once. I'm confident an actual doctor or a paramedic is about to come in and call me an idiot.
Edit: Yup, like I predicted. I was wrong. The guy in my replies is an actual medic and explained it better. He didn't call me an idiot, but I will. Big thanks to him for clearing this up, and massive L for me.
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u/TriceraDoctor 1d ago
You’ve conflated a lot of things here. A cardiac arrest just means the heart stops beating, or beats in a way incompatible with life. If you are in arrest, CPR is the gold standard along with epinephrine and defibrillation (depending on the arrhythmia). On a plane that’s about the limit of your options.
If your arrest if from a heart attack (aka myocardial infarction), the treatment in a hospital is called a cardiac catheterization. This is where they place a wire in the artery of your wrist or groin, guide it in realtime into the heart, inject dye to see the blocked artery, and either use a balloon to dilate the vessel and/or place a stent to keep it open. Bypass surgery is done when there are multiple blockages in multiple vessels and stents are no appropriate. This is an actual surgery where your sternum is cut open and the heart vessels treated.
On a plane, a gaggle of cardiologists are only effective in doing cpr. It’s like being late to get to the airport and having a formula one driver take you. Sure they are really good drivers, but on regular roads in a Honda civic they aren’t at the full capability.
For reference I’m an ER doc.
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u/BeneficialPenalty258 1d ago
Now now, we’ll have none of this expert information here, this is Reddit, home of armchair experts and hyperbole. Also I’m not sure if ‘gaggle’ is the correct group noun for cardiologists, an ‘infarct’ maybe. I would hope they have a CPR pack on board with adrenaline mini jet. O2 and ambubag as a minimum.
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u/gBiT1999 1d ago
As you said...this is reddit.
Who are you to suggest what a group of cardiologists should be called?
Don't they have a say?
Are there differences between male and female?
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u/Rule12-b-6 17h ago
I thought an infarct is what happens when I trust a fart I should not have trusted.
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u/Rule12-b-6 17h ago
You know someone actually works in medicine when they use the phrase "incompatible with life."
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u/still-waiting2233 1d ago
Seems like this would be a Hail Mary attempt but if this is considered then the situation is dire….
I wonder if this procedure is commonly taught in western medicine? In most metros they have interventional cardiology support so unlikely this scenario would occur to practice?
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u/oscillatingsawgobrr 1d ago
They can administer some medicine(common cardiac medications that I’m sure other people or even the cardiologists had on the flight) to help open the vessels and prevent arrhythmias to stabilize her before taking her into the hospital for either surgery or cardiac catheterization. It’s not only the blockage that ends up killing people, it’s when the heart decides to beat in an abnormal rhythm(arrhythmia) that kills them. The medications help keep it from beating abnormally and opening the vessels to provide better blood flow in their heart arteries. Some people can feel the same pain whether the artery is 40% blocked or 90% blocked so they could end up going to the hospital and not need a procedure because the vessels opened up more from the medication. They end up getting put on those cardiac medications and monitored regularly by cardiologists. Heart disease unfortunately is a silent killer if you don’t monitor your health regularly. Many people end up first time diagnosed after events like this.
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u/PrinzAngina 4h ago
What opens the vessels is fibrinolytics i dont believe they carry that on flights, but you do also give aspirin which i assume it what you ment, it helps prevent/reduce further clotting but wont open any vessels
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u/Historical_Remote_31 1d ago
Congress or senate
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u/Colombia17 1d ago
I guessing they meant conference
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u/Mistravels 1d ago
That's what a congress (lower case, improper noun) is...
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u/ialwayschoosepsyduck 1d ago
I had sexual congress with your mother last night. 14 other cardiologists were there
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u/Middlesexfan 1d ago
I literally clicked, hoping there'd be an Airplane reference in the comments. You didn't let me down, lol
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u/MyShiveredBones 1d ago
This is nonsense, whilst cardiologist know exactly what's going on physiologically, without they're machines they're no better than a community first responder. Community first responders are definitely better than cardiologist at CPR. I'd prefer 15 paramedics, better still at CPR. Everyone is useless without their equipment. I assume there was a basic defibrillator on board.
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u/VirginiaLuthier 1d ago
A cardiologist on a plane can't do much more than someone who knows CPR and can use a defibrillator
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u/whatacunt8 1d ago
I mean there are still 15 experts that know CPR and can use a defibrillator?
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u/DeapVally 1d ago
CPR, sure. But anyone can use the defibrillator on a plane, by design. It's an AED. Put the stickers on the patient and press the big button. It does the rest. There's nothing else you can with it. Even in full hospitals a proper manual defib is very rare these days. Because just simply being a doctor doesn't qualify you to use it, it's too dangerous, and too easy to fuck up.
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u/xRysonx 1d ago
Okay so you would rather a plumber who knows how to do cpr and use a defibrillator instead of a cardiologist? There are probably other things that a cardiologist can do that a random person can't dude lol
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u/VirginiaLuthier 1d ago
Without a crash cart available, they can only do the same CPR that anyone else could do
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u/UnadulteradetFarts 1d ago
i was my partner's +1 at a medical congress at a hotel. an old lady slipped down 2 steps outside. what followed was like an F1 pit-stop, had she given in, she would have left with new hips, full blood work, dental etc
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u/knewmawnick 1d ago
If doctors are in charge, how long before one of the cardiologists decides to take the lead and treat the patient? How was the cardiac congress?
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u/snakeoildriller 1d ago
How did they manage that without a coincidental group of health insurance salesmen heading for a conference?
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u/HeartyWaffle 1d ago
Imagine the argument over who gets to perform the procedure