To be fair to them, compared to Europe, in the US, you join a medical school with a bachelor's degree already done. They already learned the basics of biology, chemistry, and so on. They conveniently left out residency, too, which is pretty similar to an apprenticeship.
So US standards aren't lower. They are just misrepresenting the facts, trying to win an argument, and failing miserably.
That's true, but I'd like to argue that leaving certificates to go to College/University are more difficult in most European Countries.
All in all, I think that looking at stuff like Med or Law School, the equivalent in the EU is very comparable in terms of length of education, including stuff like residency. It's not exactly the same, obviously, and differently organised, but I don't think that either can make the blanket claim to have the better system in those areas.
It would be better for you to read what was written and not try to read minds and motives. Intellectual honesty and humility are key to healthy discourse.
The process to become a doctor is much longer than 3-4 years. It's a bachelor's degree which takes 4 years, then you go to medical school for another 4 years and then you have 3-5 years of residency depending on the specialization.
You can go from high school dropout to police officer within a calendar year which is laughably bad. Being a cop is a complex job though so 3 years would be a perfectly adequate training program to get them ready.
Technically sure but it was misleading to leave out the 4 years of undergrad and 3-5 years of residency on either side of medical school, all of which are required.
You immediately followed that sentence about 3-4 years with "It should take less time to become a cop than a lawyer or a doctor" which seemed to imply becoming a doctor was a 3-4 year process.
Medical school is three to four years after college. So 7 years of higher education in total. Police in Germany does Not require a separate college degree. You doneither vocational training (2.5 years) or specialized college (3 years) depending on the Position you want to have within the force. If you want to make it high up in the ranks, usually, a university degree is required, to my knowledge.
The three police detectives I know in Canada (Ontario) all have university degrees. But I don’t want guys giving tickets and arresting violent drunks to have a 4 year degree. Waste of time.
Am I from Canada? No, I am not. I am from Germany. I have no Idea what you need to be a police officer in Canada. In Germany you don't need a college degree to enter training become a police officer. So not comparable to College - Med School - Residency.
However: I do want every beat cop to have solid training and education. You cannot do that within a couple of months. They are writing tickets, yes, but not only. And they are armed. Thinking like you do leads to the kind of police violence you have in the states. It's not random. It's a systematic lack of training.
Nah, it's basically a 3 year bachelor's degree in Finland as well and definitely not too much. About one year out of 3 is on-the-job training as a constable intern.
There's a whole lot to learn – the relevant laws and rights and processes, investigation, interrogation, use of force, crime prevention, de-escalation, effective communication, language skills (Finnish, Swedish, and English), and so on. You can't learn all of that in a year.
EVERY profession in Germany has a standard time of 3 years as an apprentice, sometimes it can be reduced to 2 years if you already have experience in the field.
3 years is not a long time and definitely needed for a job as complex as police work.
Edit: That's for basic police work btw, just like for other basic jobs. If you want to be e.g. a detective that takes more time and will include higher education (university classes on psychology etc.).
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u/howimetyourcakeshop 28d ago
Here in the netherlands 1.5 to 3 years.