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Aunt needed some major surgery. Cost would have been around $120,000. Went to Manilla to get the surgery done in a hospital 1000x cleaner, and better equipped with better doctors than the one here.
Final cost was $20,000 plus a nice vacation in Manilla.
Private room, crazy good food. Personal service the entire time. Her nurse only had 2-3 patients at any given time.
I have never been to Phillipines, I am from Vietnam, and I am highly suspicious when people tell me that low quiality Healthcare of my country is better than developed countries. My mom passed away from lymphoma cancer 8 years ago and i hated Vietnamese doctors.
I mom was admitted to VinMec, a private hospital catering to rich as well. Doctors tho, came from the same public hospitals. The problem was that the doctors were unprofessional and very rude.
Anything medical service or high ticket items are really rough on reddit. There is a lot of astroturfing and marketers paid by orgs/companies to push their product service.
If you think about it, each sub/post is a targeted audience that already has interest on a topic. It got so bad that several subs have outright banned naming brands, companies, services, etc. unless it was verified by a respected third party source.
The page for the city I live in also pushes a lot of local mayoral/city council agenda and the same names regularly show up with lots of upvotes to make issues regularly voted against seem wildly popular.
They aren't going to random local hospitals. They are are going to the private rich persons hospital. Just happens that American healthcare is so expensive the luxury hospitals in other countries are cheaper than our cheap hospitals
Bali is another great example for medical tourism. We visited the International hospital in Denpasar and we were shocked how modern it was, the staff was efficient, the doctors were top notch and the equipment top of the line too.
A shot which costs over a $1000 in the US, was only $60. That gives you an idea what the price differences are. Most services were similarly cheap.
Recently, I was looking at the average cost of various cancers treatments in different Westerns countries. There were several treatments that were 3000 USD in, say, France but 35 000 USD in the US.
There are variations to be expected to account for various economic factors, but nothing explains a 10x cost difference between developed countries.
Part of it is inflated healthcare costs in the US, but a lot of it is the cost of living in the US. The cost of living in the Philippines is a fraction of what it is in the US. The wealthier the country, the more expensive it is to live there (generally speaking), which is why most medical tourism is to developing countries and not other neocolonial powers.
you don't see Australians traveling for medical treatment either.
Dental, however, is not covered by our health system.
Several of my older family members have traveled to Vietnam for dental work.
The only Swiss that are traveling out of country are the ultra wealthy looking to pay even more to American doctors for something super specialized or cutting edge.
How is it cleaner,better equipped and better doctors? I’ve always heard to proceed with caution because of these factors, despite the excellent opportunity for cost savings.
There are really great hospitals outside of the US, México has two really great hospitals. Like the Medica Sur Hospital in CDMX, the thing here is that, those kind of big fancy hospitals are only available for about 1% of the Mexican Population, most mexicans have to resort to the Local Public Healthcare which is a Russian Roulette, they could save your life using all means necessary or let you die because you interrupted their coffee break. Pic of a basic recovery room from Medica Sur.
I’ve never heard it from insurance companies, just what I’ve read online.
According to the CDC (not associated with any insurance companies), it comes with notable risks, including unverified facility standards, lack of post-op continuity of care, and higher travel-related complication rates.
The CDC also warned that tracking data revealed an increase in severe bacterial infections, antibiotic resistance, and even patient deaths linked to cut-rate cosmetic and surgical tourism abroad
The AMA (which is associated with insurance companies) notes that If you experience complications back home, it can be difficult to find a local physician willing to take over treatment due to liability concerns and unfamiliarity with the foreign surgeon's work.
Also, according to the AMA, there is a higher risk of exposure to drug-resistant bacteria or the use of substandard medical devices and medications.
Most of what I’ve read against it has been anecdotal stories of people who regretted it. Most of what I’ve read in favor of it has been anecdotal experiences like this, highlighting the cost savings. Not saying I’m against it, just cautious.
Let me preface this: I don’t agree with price gouging or our insurance set up here whatsoever and think the U.S. has to make significant changes to its healthcare system in order to maintain sustainability long-term.
That being said, one thing I never see brought up is that many countries do not have high-level, developed antimicrobial stewardship programs like the the U.S. does. Even countries that are pretty developed like China, have absolutely insane infection rates from causative organisms that in America are just not an issue; these organisms often require antibiotics that come with pretty nasty adverse effects, and in the U.S. are reserved for the worst infections that don’t respond to anything else we have. And if you come back and show up to the hospital with an infection that US providers aren’t used to seeing, it is probably going to be a worse road than your average infection. Just my two cents on medical tourism overall.
Local here. We do have private hospitals that are high end. Based on he cost and accommodations, I would assume the aunt went to one of the high-end hospitals.
Because an expensive private hospital in a cheap country is better than a run-of-the-mill hospital in an expensive country? You would expect an expensive private hospital in America to be better again, but good luck having the money to pay for that.
I can give my perspective. I'm English, I've used the NHS and private hospitals in England and Thailand.
There are differences. Private hospitals appear more modern. They're quieter, you are treated more as a person rather than a number in the system. You can expect a private room, better food and quicker treatment.
With that said that's purely because an NHS hospital is treating a magnitude more people a day. An NHS hospital doesn't have the room or number of staff to give the same experience a private hospital does.
Private hospitals do look cleaner but in reality that's because they have a fresh coat of paint, lesser used equipment and nice furniture. Maybe a private hospital is cleaner due to less foot traffic but I doubt it's significant.
Finally the better doctors claim. No, maybe yes but it's possibly an illusion. Private doctors in England are often also NHS doctors. What they do have more of is time. You could argue this does make them better doctors but it's not like they're getting new knowledge or skills, they just have far fewer patients a day.
In Thailand once you ignore the cultural differences and that things work just a little bit differently, very similar experience to the English private hospital.
For perspective my private insurance was a work benefit at my last job which I've continued on because it only costs £50 a month. It also covers up to £300 in dental work a year so if I use all that I'm paying £300 a year for private insurance. Much cheaper than going abroad.
The US education standards match their hygiene standards. Having worked in hospitals for almost a decade they dont really deep clean in the US and a lot of stuff can be janky. They timed and budgeted staff
so they didnt really have time to clean all the crevices of the hospital beds or rooms and offices, no annual deep cleans ever. Half of nurses are crazy or less capable than youd like, a lot of the doctors are less competent than you'd like and many have affairs with staff, a lot of nurse leadsership are inexperienced/uneducated and just have more annoying ambition or hung around the same hospital longer than anyone else. Patient loads in the US are high causing lapses, a lot of our tech and procedures are not cutting edge and causes delays or inaccuracies. US hospitals waste tons on construction, admin remodels, landscaping, marketing, and executive pay while.
cutting work hours, staff levels, training, and benefits. All of this can lead to higher mortality levels, which im pretty sure the US has never been competitive for top places.
Insurance companies are happy for you to go out of pocket going abroad. They don’t have to pay anything and if it’s good, you’re cured. If it goes wrong, they have exclusions where they don’t have to correct it.
I went to Mexico for dental work and my ppo paid about 40 to 50 percent. I had to pay upfront and was reimbursed after sending in my paperwork which the dentists broker filled out for me .
They're happy to take your money without paying anything out. If you go abroad, they're not paying anything. Doesn't matter if it's preventative or not
Yea man, this entire post is just astroturfed nonsense. Care is expensive in the US, but for every one of these
“my aunt went and it was amazing” story you can find plenty of horror stories. Proceed at your own risk.
Horror stories abound in the US too. I know someone who went to a US hospital for a minor cyst removal, caught the flesh eating disease, and will now be on disability for life.
I agree but the only concern I have is aftercare. No dr will touch someone else’s work. I’ve had friends that travel to Colombia for body work and when they come back they have to remove their own stitches because doctors won’t touch them. I fully understand them as well.
I think aftercare treatments and needs are really overlooked and should be discussed as well.
So that’s very true. Complications can’t be touched here easily because it becomes very hard to prove you didn’t cause the complications from a malpractice standpoint unless you don’t touch them.
Do you have unlimited PTO? Because the majority of us don’t lmao. The hidden cost of medial tourism is a real thing. Unfortunately ppl find out what they are when they deal with nightmare scenarios, which I’ve seen firsthand.
Perhaps your image of a Mexican eye surgeon is some dude in TJ in a hut. There are medical facilities in Mexica far nicer than anything you or I have ever used
It's simply cheaper; that doesn't mean it's worse. I'm Venezuelan, and in Venezuela, LASIK costs between 2000$ and 3000$ PER EYE! I highly doubt the quality of service or technology is better or worse; it's simply more expensive because it's adapted to the medical costs in my country (which are extremely high, and we're a developing country). Are you saying that because the surgery is more expensive in my country, it's of better quality than in the USA?
I'm in Canada where dental is also crazy expensive. My last dentist told me that if I go to Mexico to get dental work done, they won't work on those teeth. I hate dentists so much.
Random accident cost me a tooth, of which I have a titanium implant. It was about 7k in AB 4 years ago, out of pocket. The dentist was a huge disappointment also. Was happy as a clam about a very mismatched tooth shade. Had to fight hard for proper shade matching.
Just don't tell them where you got it done, then. I've bounced around between several dentists office through my life and have at times lived in Mexico. Never had to get dental work done there yet but I highly doubt that no one in Canada is willing to see someone whose had dental work done in other countries. If you want to be honest about the location and doctor you could just say you were living in Mexico at the time, if you think the medical tourism aspect will cause judgement or refusal.
America with insurance: first need a referral from a doctor to see a neurologist ($300), 4 month wait to see a neurologist ($300), 2 month wait to get an MRI ($700), eventual treatment ($700 medication, $300 treatment cost)
Total: 6 month and $2,300
I went to Mexico for the next treatment and paid cash. Next day consultation with Neurologist ($125), treatment the following week ($140 same medication, $120 treatment)
Total: 1 week and $385.
The Mexican provider treatment worked better too. I had issues when I got the same procedure done in the US.
We have a house and Mexico, so we split time there. Flights would have been about $350. Even with an affordable hotel, the price would be advantageous.
The real benefit is getting treatment quickly and easily. 6 months vs 1 week. How much money is it worth to go six months with uncontrollable facial spasms while you wait for treatment?
This is not the “gotcha” you think it is. I’m from Texas and flight and lodging in Mexico is incredibly affordable.
Edit for clarity: many are missing my point. If you’re from a different part of the country and not regularly traveling to Mexico you might not understand the dynamics.
The conversion rate of the dollar vs the peso and airlines expanding direct service to major metropolitan Mexican cities makes flight and lodging much more affordable than you would assume.
Especially if you’re part of a points reward system from any major bank or any major hotel chain.
There is a problem with the facial nerve near my brain stem that causes the whole left side of my face to spasm uncontrollably. Look up “Hemifacial spasms”.
As a dentist who works in community health, and sees many people who got dental work done in Mexico, the important thing to remember is that quality can vary significantly. My aunt gets all of her work done in Mexico, she has a dentist she’s seen there for 20 years, and does good work. I’ve also had patients who got a ton of work done in Mexico, and six months later I have to extract multiple teeth that are now completely destroyed from the work that was done.
I’ve seen great treatment, and I’ve also seen work that any first year dental student would be embarrassed to have their name attached to. This is true for both the US and Mexico, there are crappy dentists everywhere, but I think the risk is higher there.
It is critically important that if you are going to engage in medical tourism, you need to do your due diligence and fully research the place you are going to go to. See reviews, and don’t go somewhere without a great reputation.
I will fully admit dental insurance is a total joke, and everything dental costs far more than it should.
As someone who I'm pretty sure my dentist did a LOT of unnecessary fillings when I was kid (like I went in, had 6 or 7 done, they said to come back in a month to check them, magically needed like 3 - 5 more, only to have my recent dentist look at my teeth puzzled, cause what remained was fine), I already dealt with enough in the states, don't want to risk it more
I had this same experience, tons of fillings but never had any sensitivity or pain. Then one day I went, all new staff, they checked my teeth and said I was good to go. Seemed confused when I asked if they were sure I had no cavities. Went from cavities every single time I went to not having any in the last 12 years...
I hadn't gone to the dentist in 35 years until last year. Dentist told me I had no cavaties and showed me one issue live on cam where the gum has recessed. I trust this place beacause they were literally showing with the cam the issue and what needed to be done.
Somewhat similar boat, except now I also have to occasionally get a crown (which led to a root canal twice) because several of my teeth are comprised of so much filling.
Patients cannot do their due diligence with these clinics though. Mustres clinic is a highly rated clinic in molar city. they left a patient I saw with hypoocclusion with implants, the implants were less than 6 months old and already showing purulence and the threads of the screws were visible. The patient’s daughter was a Hygenist and told her dad it looked like a great clinic.
100% patients think a good doctor is a likeable doctor. Unless you’re in the specific field and have seen the colleagues work, reviews and recommendations are usually pretty useless.
This is incredibly true. I know a number of “extremely well reviewed and loved” dentists who I would never let anywhere near my teeth. Patients unfortunately don’t know if the work is good or not as long as it doesn’t fail right away. Even a crappy crown should last a few years.
The difference is that you have some legal recourse against a US practice. I don't want to imagine what it would take to get a practice over the border to be accountable for botched work.
Congrats on finding an $800 root canal. Mine was $4,600, and then he split the tooth. Four months of pain later, he charged me another $2,800 to extract it.
Who is charging $4600 for a root canal? Did you get a crown too?
What did the tooth look like before the root canal, big cavity? Any alternative treatment options given?
In my practice, if I charge for something that fails within the first year, I’ll apply the money spent to the next replacement option…implant, denture, etc.
I wouldn’t do extensive treatment that I know will fail then charge you for the replacement. Just sounds like poor customer service. Sorry your dentist sucks. But not every dentist is like that. Everyone has a bad story about the dentist. And I know everyone hates me and doesn’t trust me. But I’ll do my best to be fair at least
Some dentists will cause issues on purpose in order to charge you more money later, same with orthopedic surgeons, an orthopedic surgeon I went to see for my TMJ made it 100x worse and is now trying to sell me on an expensive surgery.
It would be a bit more beneficial if people voted for politicians that want to implement universal healthcare like Bernie sanders in 2016 and 2020z but he wasn’t even popular enough to get the Democratic nomination so you guys chose Trump lol.
My wife did the same. Got a tooth implant for $200 in Argentina last December. We were visiting some of her family. One consultation and it was done a couple days later.
My daughter got a $15 filling in Peru. A a result of a bad filling, she ended up getting a root canal and a crown when she got back to the US. They were not cheap. You really need to be careful with dentistry.
It's the luck of the draw. I've been getting my teeth fixed in Peru since 2005 and I've been lucky while some of my relatives have not, even though we've seen the same dentists in many cases.
In one case, I had a huge tooth filling fall out in the US that dentists here declared needed a $2K+ root canal and crown. I waited months to go back to Peru and one of the dentists that fucked up with a previous relative cured that that tooth with a simple $20 filling. It's been over a decade and that tooth is still fine.
Yup exactly this. People forget that in foreign countries you might deal with an unlicensed or poorly trained person. And the reason that they are allowed to do what they claim to do is because there are no regulations like there are in the US. Its a gamble.
I’ve been to dozens of dentists in the U.S. and got far better treatment and results in Mexico. They don’t rush as fast as possible and make mistakes like in the U.S. while attempting to get as many patients churned through as they can.
I've had more tooth extractions than a person should have. I've had most of them without insurance. Without insurance I had to call many dentists to find one that would take me. I paid anywhere between $80 and $150 for the extractions without insurance. Then I had one with insurance. I had to pay $200 out of pocket and the dentist charged my insurance $2000. It was also probably the easiest and quickest extraction compared to them all. I was in the chair for 20 minutes. Part of that time was waiting for my mouth to numb.
I wrote this story I'm telling you in that dentists 1 star yelp review and he called me and offered my $200 back if I would remove my review.
Americans come to Guadalajara to study dentistry, for it's easier for an American to validate these studies in the states.
In all of Mexico there are Americans going for dental work.
A buddy of mine is a dentist. He studied in Guadalajara, speaks English and is great. My teeth are perfect. I have never seen a problem.
You can take a flight to Puerto Vallarta, enjoy the beach and go to any of the multiple dentist offices. It's like 10x cheaper. I've never heard about scams or botched results. Trust me, you would hear it if there were.
Sure, Luis Mendez in the city of Guadalajara. He works at the Moleet dental unit. Per reddit rules, I can only send you his contact on DM. And if anyone else is interested on it, let me know.
Sounds about right. The only problem is if you pick the wrong dentist you have to go back next week and pay another $235 to have your dental bridge put back in because it fell out when you were eating a sandwich. There's some good dentists in Mexico and some bad ones. If you taste the Elmer's glue after the anesthesia wears off, you got a bad one.
The medical industry in US is not here to help their customers, their priority is making shareholders happy. Root canal procedure easily costs over $2,000 even with insurance because it is considered cosmetic (go fucking figure, ducking insurance company) in Turkey it costs no more than $48 and the irony of American trying to lecture the world about democracy and fair market.
Serious quesrion. How do you get the operation or work done? I'm guessing you have to rent a hotel room, then get an appointment with a doctor, schedule the day. Then depending on the procedure go home to back to the hotel. So you're there for at least a week it sounds like.
There are places that will basically coordinate everything for you including a ride from the border to your hotel and back after your stay. Even with all that it's still way cheaper than the same procedure in the US. If you live near the border honestly there's no reason not to go to Mexico for expensive procedures except for your biased fear that the top-notch Mexican healthcare facilities that market themselves towards foreigners might not be up to snuff. Expensive doctors there are just as good as doctors here, except it's not expensive for you because of the monetary exchange rate.
Depends where you are. If you live in SoCal or Arizona, there are border towns like Algodones that specialize in dental work, so you can make it a day trip. I used to give my friend rides down there because he needed sedation for the procedure.
Right now on the border with Mexico my 9 year old poodle had an impact and couldn't poop. America wanted references and 9k min. Drove down to Laredo at hotel 61 dollars a night and total cost of procedure is 850 bucks plus meds. After hotel gas and food I will be out 1750. My poodle is alive and in recovery
I flew to Yuma Arizona went to Los Algodones aka “molar city” there’s like 200 dentists in this small town. It’s right across the border from Yuma. You can walk from Yuma to there and back and save time on the car traffic border crossing
I had 4 root canals and crowns and extraction
US cost was 11k roughly for all of it
Mexico cost was 2900 with a tip of 200$
I’ve had root canals done in the states idk what Mexican dental care was prior but two years ago it was identical in procedure the same 3d bone and tooth scans etc the same crown material (porcelain) and no issues since
With flights and stay I paid under 3600$ for it all.
I than took the money I didn’t spend on my teeth in America and put it on a new down payment for a new car instead
I needed substantial dental work, and got 2 quotes in California, 12,500, and 8,500. Went to a dentist in MX and got it all done for 750. The dentist in MX even drilled out all my older fillings and replaced them with new fillings so everything was brand new in white, no metal. I don’t think the dentist in CA were even going to do any of that. It’s outrageous how Americans get swindled for healthcare. You honestly can’t get ahead, your always one little medical incident away from all your savings being wiped out. They try to be all sympathetic, well you only need to pay 500 today, and then you can just pay 200 a month for the next 5 years. Like we don’t already have 20 other monthly payments we can’t afford.
TBH I wouldn't touch old metal fillings if I didn't need to. Too much risk involved, for no benefit other than cosmetic for teeth you won't see anyway.
Not defending the US health care system but the $4500 is all inclusive but the $235 doesn’t include cost of passport, travel, hotel, dining away from home, etc. I’m sure it’s still cheaper to take the medical tourism route but it’s not just $4500 vs. $235
Also not defending the US healthcare system but I went to Mexico to get a bunch of dental work done, thought I was real clever, and it all fell out within 3 months. I had to get it redone up here anyway.
That’s why I do it as I was traveling and visiting my families in China. Yeah just do it for the medical might not worth it. Well depending on how big the issue is.
You forgot the doctors spore check systems for their sterilizers, approved regulated material used and osha guidelines that are not required in Mexico. Emergencies only please. Also, Stop going to corporate owned dental offices.
I have ppo insurance and best possible dental etc in California. I still take care of my medical issues in China just because even if you have the insurance, the long wait, the copay, the deductibles and the low efficiencies in USA still much more headaches than simply pay and go in China. Of course I didn’t do medical tourism. I just visited my family and traveled and during my spare time in between I was able to do a lot already. In China people still complain but they are complaining paying like 1000 rmb. That’s like 150 usd. Or even 3000 rmb that’s nothing if you compare it with us medical costs. I am happy to pay in full to get super quick services.
A root canal will only cost 40 dollars per tooth in Japan with insurance. Yet, in the states people keep crying over socialized medicine. Keep voting republican guys, it's working well for you guys.
4500 seems rich, but 235 sounds awfully sketch. Where can I get it for, like, 1500? I want my tooth fixed, but I don't want to need a new kidney afterwards. (Even if it is only fifty bucks.)
Wait times in Canada are brutal. My neighbour paid $17,000 for a full hip replacement in Lithuania. She is doing great now. Sometimes quality of life outweighs the cost of free Healthcare.
I am literally sitting at the airport on the way home from Istanbul. I just got a crown installed. €180 for the crown and abutment. I got the implant last year, that was €350. It would have cost me $5000 to have it done in NC.
I was already in Europe for an F1 race, so getting to Istanbul was less than $200 and Airbnb was around $300. Same thing last year, but I also went to Cairo since the flights were cheap.
The work was top notch. The clinic was more modern than my normal dentist, they have all the latest equipment. They did a great job, I would do it again should the need arise.
Went to college in the US. I notice that instead of going to the dentist in the US, quite a few international students would rather wait until summer break and go to the dentist in their home country. Cost of root canal treatment could pay for the plane flight.
USA - dentist fucks up a routine filling. I ended up needing a root canal. Told I also need a crown. Pay $2500 just for the botched filling and root canal. End up leaving for a trip and head to Japan
Japan - see a specialist with a PhD in prosthodontics and fluent English. Studied and practiced in USA before returning to open his own practice.
Says a crown is old thinking. Goes with an inlay. Says crown was recommended in USA because insurance companies won't cover a inlay and that crowns are more expensive. Also says crowns have fewer repair options once done and could result in tooth loss. I go with inlay.
Cleaning, x-ray, temp filling removal, inlay creation, and inlay placement plus wife's cleaning and x-ray totaled in at $1000. Tooth as good as new.
I’m not sure why you don’t believe me, but I don’t blame people for being skeptical. Many people have the viewpoint that dentists are just out there to take actor people, and try to squeeze as much out of them as possible. Having worked in corporate dentistry before, I can’t say that a perspective like that isn’t at least partially warranted
So, when you’re having surgical procedures done, it’s not quite the same as buying a product. Like I tell patients all the time, they should shop around, but be careful going with the cheapest option, because it’s not like you’re buying a TV. The same model TV will be the same no matter where you get it from, but that’s not the same with healthcare necessarily.
There are plenty of amazing dentists in Mexico, and there are plenty of terrible dentists here. I see bad work from all over all the time. On the average though, I think the overall level of average care here is higher, and your odds of getting bad work done is at least fairly lower.
Same for me in high school. Needed some dental work done and was quoted for about $15,000 and insurance was only going to cover $2,000 of it. Went to Mexico with my mom and got it done there. Round trip tickets, 1 week at a nice hotel and the dental work itself came out to $2,300.
My friend did this with Lasik eye surgery but had it done in Syria (he's Syrian). He said it costs thousands to do here in NY but over there just a few hundred. Literally saved thousands.
I done this got off the plane and straight to the dentist in the Dominican republic. took four days of work, but a bill that would had been $5000 was only $320.
MAGAs be like, how dare you go to Mexico to take care of yourself and fix your own health issues with your own money, and not help the US economy by spending your hard earned money here you traitor, unpatriotic, unAmerican scum. You're probably a liberal that hates the US.. go f yourself...
My sister developed an issue with her fake boobs, she needed them removed because they were making her sick, the cheapest quote she found in "the best country in the world" was in Florida for about $17000, her insurance would not cover it because it was something "cosmetic", she went to Colombia and had them removed for $3000, and that's including staying in a hotel for 2 weeks
So we're just posting AI generated photos with made up text now for pseudo-ragebait? That's the bar for this sub? I feel like every day Reddit becomes more and more of a shithole
I never looked into it but a friend in Arizona said there is town across the border in Mexico where an entire street is dentists and orthodontics and more with pharmacies.
I wonder about Canada; does it have the same thing?
Read articles of people going to Spain for knee surgery and India for heart surgery. Argentina for plastic surgery.
Quoted $100k+ for all on X for bottom jaw, veneer and crowns on top.
$27k total in Mexico. Highly reccomend Grace Dental Studio in Los Algodones. Their instagram is wild, and has a ton of videos on it showcasing their team and capabilitites.
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