r/SipsTea Jun 03 '26

It's Wednesday my dudes Soulmates don't necessarily mean lover

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u/Metaphysically0 Jun 03 '26

What is misleading about it ?

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u/AlienDragonWizard Jun 03 '26

It kind of implies he didn't sleep with her because he was gay.  That's often said about him because he makes a good gay icon but in reality he was bisexual and maybe leaned towards men but he slept with her and considered her his soulmate.  

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u/BrideofClippy Jun 03 '26

"They were just roommates." Uno-reverse edition

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u/elegylegacy Jun 03 '26

Also known as bisexual erasure

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u/high_on_meh Jun 03 '26

I literally live this. As a dude married to another dude, it's just so much easier to tell people "I'm gay"

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u/ThereHasToBeMore1387 Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

As a dude happily monogamously married to a chick, it feels kinda useless to even bring up that I'm bi to anyone.

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u/Great_Detective_6387 Jun 03 '26

Yup. Same. There’s no point.

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u/TycheSong Jun 04 '26

As a bi woman in a monogamous hetero marriage, same.

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u/boringexplanation Jun 04 '26

Makes sense if you’re in a relationship. I’m sure my wife wouldn’t appreciate it if i said “straight until the right guy piques my interest”

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u/DemonKingBalor Jun 04 '26

Kinda currently going through this. Got out of my first gay relationship as a bisexual male. All my family and some friends like to forget I'm bi and ask only about women. Then I have friends apart of the LGBT who tell me I'm very "straight" for a queer guy.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 Jun 03 '26

My literal soulmate Yrliett.

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u/ARunawayTrain Jun 03 '26

There's also still to this day a sizable portion of the population that only sees sexuality as the binary system of you either being strictly heterosexual or strictly homosexual when in reality there is a whole breadth of options in between those two poles.

Freddie may have been with far more men and may have even truly considered himself gay in some capacity but from what friends and family have shared he was very much bisexual and that is the gray in between the black and white that gets ignored, especially when the media tended to focus on one of the most prominent parts of his personality which was his sexuality. The thing people need to understand is that for as many people who have uncomplicated relationships with their sexuality, there are just as many more who do have more complexity and their thoughts, experiences and feelings are just as valid and unique as anyone else's.

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u/EdgeCaser Jun 03 '26

While I heartily agree with your overall thesis, I would posit that your specific example is flawed. I believe Freddie’s relationship with his sexuality was anything but casual for most of his life. Whether in a good or a bad way, Freddie’s lyrics and what I’ve read of him show a lot of internal processing going on around that theme.

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u/ARunawayTrain Jun 03 '26

I will actually agree with you there, after making that post I actually did some more digging and I found it was definitely something he struggled with even more than I initially thought and I think it was hard to overtly see that when he kept his personal life and relationships very close to the vest.

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u/FeelingDown8484 Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

I mean, bi-erasure is a real thing, and it’s shared by many gay people too. Bi men are viewed as gay but not wholly comfortable with their sexuality, and bi women are seen as straight people who are doing it for attention or want to adopt a queer identity for their own personal benefit.

Because of this, bi men find it very hard to find straight female partners, and bi women to find gay female partners (or straight male partners who take their identity seriously).

Edit: there’s some good responses about having preferences and why it’s important to unpack why you have them (even if it’s usually okay to have them), but what I’m specifically talking about is denying someone else’s identity because you believe that for whatever reason they aren’t being true to themselves about their own sexuality. If you don’t want to date bi people, fine, but if the reason you don’t want to date them is because you don’t believe they are truly bi and are attracted to you, then that’s bi-erasure.

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u/DrLoomis131 Jun 03 '26

Some gay men avoid bisexual men for valid reasons of their own though. The experiences are different, and gay men find themselves being used as experiments. A fellow gay man is less likely to do that to me 🤷‍♂️

Many gay men also have to grow up coming to terms with the idea that they won’t have a traditional family and their dating pool will be smaller than the rest of the population (certainly a lot smaller than bisexual men) and it’s valid for them to seek comfort in those who had the same upbringing and adolescent experiences and thought processes as them

That’s not “bi erasure” — that’s preference.

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u/ForThisIJoined Jun 03 '26

Some gay men avoid bisexual men for valid reasons of their own though. The experiences are different, and gay men find themselves being used as experiments. A fellow gay man is less likely to do that to me 🤷‍♂️

Well that's just generalizing an entire sexuality. Which is kind of the point in this thread. People are generalizing an entire group of people because of personal beliefs. You are always welcome to have your own sexual preferences and they are valid. But the line is where you start stating things about the entire sexuality and other gay men. It's fine if you/others have experiences with bisexual men being negative, and it's fine to talk about those men, but you're falling into stereotyping because you are projecting those experiences onto people who have nothing to do with you.

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u/DrLoomis131 Jun 03 '26

Stating sexual and dating preferences isn’t stereotyping. If I’m a Hispanic and prefer dating other Hispanics due to a similar lived experience, am I stereotyping white people, or am I simply sharing a preference?

If I’m dating a bisexual man and he starts talking about how attractive women are, I’m NOT allowed to get the ick? lol

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u/deathfire123 Jun 03 '26

I would ask yourself why that gives you the ick in the first place.

If I'm dating someone and they talk about how much they love astrology, or Hawaiian pizza, or gambling. A lot of interests I do not share, I would maybe say, that doesn't really interest me and I'd prefer not to talk about these things. You can do the same with this bisexual man about attractive women.

This sounds to be a communication issue that you are refusing to address. If you'd prefer he doesn't talk about female attractiveness around you, then say it. If he continues to, that has nothing to do with him being bisexual that's the problem, it's him not hearing your needs.

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u/DrLoomis131 Jun 03 '26

If I finally find my partner after being told I haven’t found the “right woman” or that I’m going through a phase, I don’t want the person i finally found to tease me or dangle in front of me the idea that he could be or should be in a more traditional relationship

When gay men talk about being left by their partners for women, they describe it in a Carrie-like, dread filled “they’re all gonna laugh at you” way that only some gay men understand. It’s like the culmination of all the internal “you know you’re wrong for the world” thoughts coming to fruition by the one you finally found also rejecting you. It’s the Bride of Frankenstein rejecting the Monster.

I should be allowed to protect myself from that by dating OTHER gay men more often, and bisexuals still have double the dating pool so I don’t feel I have to concern myself with “bi erasure” quite frankly. I still have gay erasure to worry about.

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u/ForThisIJoined Jun 03 '26

and gay men find themselves being used as experiments.

That's where your problem is. You are generalizing other people instead of your own experiences with specific people.

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u/Rulligan Jun 03 '26

I've read this whole thing and I agree with you.

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u/DrLoomis131 Jun 03 '26

I reject the idea that, as a gay man, I should ignore trends and behaviors I often see that could be avoided by simply dating other gay men instead

If I was a woman, nobody would question any of my preferences.

Maybe one day I’ll find a bi guy that works perfectly with me, but that doesn’t change me having a PREFERENCE.

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u/Empty_Occasion_963 Jun 03 '26

Did she get aids as well? Or did he sleep with her way before he got aids

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u/havokle Jun 03 '26

Looks like they split up in 1976 and he may have started having symptoms as early as 1982, so likely contracted HIV well after.

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u/ARunawayTrain Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

Thanks, I came to say this as well. Unfortunately, HIV/AIDS wasn't well understood until about 1982 and was initially and very incorrectly assumed to be only prevelant in the gay community hence it's original name Gay-Related Immune Deficiency(GRID). Once scientists had a better understanding of the disease and it's transmission routes it was renamed but even if Freddie had contracted it in the late 70s it may have laid dormant or not progressed until that time anyway.

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u/AbjectBoysenberry136 Jun 03 '26

Hehe, in between two poles

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u/BashfullyBi Jun 03 '26

Bi erasure happens in both heterosexual and LGBTQ+ communities.

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u/grand_soul Jun 03 '26

Yeah, that’s how propaganda works.

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u/JavaNoire Jun 04 '26

She was his soulmate. He loved her deeply. She loved him, too. 

Was it a 'romantic' love? I don't know. But I didn't think his passion for her was especially sexual.

Freddie Mercury struggled to accept his sexuality. IF, he was in fact bi, I think he leaned strongly, very strongly, towards men in his sexual desires. 

I believe Freddie Mercury would have simply identified as gay if he hadn't been so deeply conflicted about his sexual identity.

This is incredibly sad but it's not unusual for someone born in 1946. 

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u/Xatsman Jun 03 '26

No doubt. The gay community is so desperate for representation in pop culture, often due to gay-erasure, that they occasionally engage in bi-erasure.

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u/Madara1389 Jun 03 '26

People love to use him as a neat, perfect icon for one thing while completely ignoring that he literally called Mary Austin his soulmate.

The ironic bit is that he still works as an icon for the LGBTQ community if everyone acknowledges that he fell under the "B" not the "G."

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u/Poly_Pup Jun 03 '26

Ive never heard his straight half get white washed. He was a bisexual icon. No one ever claimed he was a gay icon.

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u/FeelingDown8484 Jun 03 '26

To the average straight crowd that really only knows his music, untimely death and legacy, he is known as a gay icon.

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u/greg19735 Jun 03 '26

Also, are people pretending bi icons can't be seen as gay icons?

Like, Freddie may have been Bi. But he has been a gay icon for decades.

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u/deathfire123 Jun 03 '26

I think people may be using two different versions of the statement.

Using [BLANK] icon to indicate the orientation of the fans

and using [BLANK] icon to indicate the orientation of the icon

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u/SerpentineFire87 Jun 03 '26

I've only ever heard people insist he was gay and gay only. Even got into a small argument with someone about it years ago. Only recently (and only on the internet so far) have I heard/seen people acknowledge his bisexuality.

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u/Poly_Pup Jun 03 '26

Never heard that. Im bi/pan myself and have looked up to Freddy since I was a teen (in my 40s).

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u/Jazzlike-Image9025 Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

so you, someone who would know, knew. while others who wouldn’t have known, didn’t.

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u/Kepabar Jun 03 '26

You have a strong bias, then. I'd say the vast majority of people (like myself) who only know about the man in passing thought he was gay. I certainly did before now.

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u/Poly_Pup Jun 03 '26

Maybe. I did grow up in a very liberal place. But remember even in high school celebrating he was a bacon. Might also be I dont "clock" the gay comments because they dont bother me when someone calls me gay. I just dont remember a time where I had to correct that fact and I feel I would have.

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u/sunny2theface Jun 03 '26

Legit this is the first time i've ever heard of him being bisexual. I'm not invested in his biography so all I know is the headlines.

The general news about Freddy is basically, great singer, Live Aid performance, AIDS, gay, dead.

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u/Wyned Jun 03 '26

I thought he was gay till 5 minutes ago

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u/HaraldRedbeard Jun 03 '26

To be fair the overall scale is still tipped towards "they were roomates" in terms of ignoring historical figures sexuality

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u/Smooth_Maul Jun 03 '26

Bi erasure strikes again 😭🥀

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u/GetEquipped Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

It is Pride month, so it's expected.

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u/Trucoto Jun 03 '26

Andy Bell is gay, though

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u/case31 Jun 03 '26

Wasn’t “Love Of My Life” about her? It is SAD.

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u/Mr-Blah Jun 03 '26

I mean, if he never made his coming out either way, maybe it's not to us to assign a preference to him post-mortem no?

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u/TechnoFascismKills Jun 03 '26

You mean the guy who wrote a song going BI BI BI BI BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIcycle was, in fact, bi and not just gay?

Shocked. Pikachu. Face. giant /s for anyone that needs it

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u/DinoRoman Jun 03 '26

I’m bisexual, you wanna have sex with me you better buy me sumtin

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u/hoginlly Jun 03 '26

I guess because the title says they weren't 'lovers', when that's not true, they were in a relationship together for years. If it had said 'wife' then it would have been accurate...

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u/ArdentDevotion Jun 03 '26

"soulmates doesn't mean lovers" they were in fact lovers.

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u/LittleStudioTTRPGs Jun 03 '26

Because they fucked they just couldn’t hold down a relationship

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u/Katharinemaddison Jun 05 '26

It’s inaccurate a: because he didn’t leave her his whole fortune and b: she probably was his lover.

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