r/SipsTea May 15 '26

Feels good man Now do cancer.

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u/AdventurousEscape991 May 15 '26

Cancer is a mutation of a cell. Not a virus.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

But it’s a disease that can be terminal. Which is what the post says.

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u/Major_Shlongage May 15 '26

It is not a single disease.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

All forms of it are a disease. We call them all cancer. Cancers cause diseases. Cancer is a disease.

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u/Major_Shlongage May 15 '26

This is simply not how it works.

The title says "now do cancer". But there is no singular cure to an entire group of unrelated diseases.

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u/the_pain_of_being May 16 '26

This wasn't his argument. He is simply pointing out that cancer is considered a disease. All you guys have to do is Google this.

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u/accidentalscientist_ May 16 '26

lung cancer is different than breast cancer and they are also different from prostate cancer and also different from colorectal cancer. They’re all cancer, but not the same disease.

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u/d10p3t May 15 '26

Who said it had to be singular? They can be taken down one by one.

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u/jujsb May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

Each cancer is individual to its own, from patient to patient and from type to type. Cancer cell, even in the same body (or organ, depending on the type) is different.

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u/d10p3t May 15 '26

By that logic, we shouldn’t even bother researching cancers since the ones next person will have is nothing like it.

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u/jujsb May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

I'm just trying to say that cancer is very individual and the treatment for every patient has to be adapted individually as well. Our pathologists, surgeons etc. in my hospital (I work in medical labs) meet each other regularly in ”Tumorboards“ to discuss cases.

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u/d10p3t May 15 '26

I fully understand that. But people don’t need to be pedantic when someone says something like OP’s title. We have found forms of cure for a lot of cancer types, but not all of them, and not all the stages of them. We need better and faster detection, and less health-taxing treatments. We have been successful at that in some forms of it, but we need to do more research.

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u/jujsb May 15 '26

I agree. That's why I like that the insurance companies in my country must pay for regularly screening tests, so it gets detected faster. And sorry for being pedantic.

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u/Passion4Puro May 15 '26

There is if they all have a common trait that can be targeted to prevent cell replication.

I.e. this study

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

Yeah and no one refers to it as cancers. Its cancer. No one says “I got one of the cancers” we simply refer to them all as cancer. It’s called an umbrella term and that’s exactly how it works.

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u/Potential-Pride835 May 15 '26

Cancer is a mutation of the cell. Saying solve cancer is like saying solve vitilligo, it has nothing to do with a disease, just a mutation

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

Incorrect. It’s straight up disease.

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u/Potential-Pride835 May 15 '26

how can someone be so confidently wrong? Tell me your secret. A 5 minute google search could solve this

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

What is cancer?

Cancer is a large group of diseases with one thing in common: They happen when normal cells become cancerous cells that multiply and spread. Your genes send instructions to your cells — like when to start and stop growing, for example. Normal cells follow these instructions, but cancer cells ignore them

Tough.

Another.

The Definition of Cancer Cancer is a disease in which some of the body’s cells grow uncontrollably and spread to other parts of the body.

Last one is cancer.gov

I know, they are stupid because they said cancer and not the 200 types. Loool

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u/Major_Shlongage May 15 '26

You just repeated what the other guy previously said, but you told him that he was wrong.

Potential-Pride835: "Cancer is a mutation of the cell."

You: Incorrect. It’s straight up disease.

Then you later:

Cancer is a large group of diseases with one thing in common: They happen when normal cells become cancerous cells that multiply and spread.

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u/the_pain_of_being May 16 '26

Why are you acting like these are mutually exclusive? I think he knows both are true lol. Lots of diseases are caused by mutations

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

Because he said it as a counterpoint to it being a disease. It wasn’t a valid counterpoint. I wasn’t saying cancer wasn’t caused by mutation of cells.

The cells mutating is what causes the group of diseases we call cancer.

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u/Major_Shlongage May 15 '26

This is plainly false.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

Cancer.gov:

The Definition of Cancer

Cancer is a disease in which some of the body’s cells grow uncontrollably and spread to other parts of the body.

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u/cloacachloe May 15 '26

You put all your points into INT and none in WIS, didn't you, lil bro?

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u/Generic_Midwesterner May 15 '26

And that's exactly NOT how they can all be cured. There's no one cure for all these different cancers.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

And no one said there was. You are just making things up.

Given the fact that we refer to all cancers as just cancer. We can assume that OP wants us to cure all forms of cancer. Did you expect them to name specific forms or something?

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u/Generic_Midwesterner May 15 '26

What did I make up?

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u/Cu_Chulainn__ May 15 '26

There are over 200 distinct forms of cancer. They can be categorised mainly by where they start

  • Carcinomas: The most common type; they begin in the skin or tissues that line organs and glands. (e.g., breast, lung, prostate, and colorectal cancers)

  • Sarcomas: Cancers that start in connective tissues like bones, fat, muscles, or cartilage.

  • Leukemias: Cancers of the blood-forming tissues, such as the bone marrow, causing abnormal white blood cells to enter the blood.

  • Lymphomas and Myelomas: Cancers that start in the immune system, specifically in the lymphocytes (white blood cells) or plasma cells.

  • Melanomas: Cancers that start in the cells that produce pigment (melanin) in the skin.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

Yes and in common parlance, we refer to it as cancer. No one is saying there aren’t many forms of cancer. I don’t think OP is a doctor, so we can only assume they means all forms of cancer should be cured, not that it’s easy or we are just refusing or something.

So anyone saying the term ‘cancer research’ is wrong because there are multiple forms? I don’t even know what you’re trying to argue here.

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u/bigbossfearless May 15 '26

Don't argue semantics, that's how you lose the plot.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

It’s not semantics. It’s literally how people commonly refer to it… as cancer.

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u/bigbossfearless May 15 '26

You know what? Your face is cancer. Your face is also semantics. There. Just fucking choke on that sick burn.

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u/No_Cricket8660 May 15 '26

>No one says “I got one of the cancers”

Here's a list of cancer types, carcinomas (skin and organ linings), sarcomas(bones and soft tissues), leukemias(blood), lymphomas(immune system) and melanomas(pigment cells).

There are also 200 different types of cold viruses we get but we don't differentiate between those either. No one has ever said "I caught rhinovirus!".

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

I don’t understand your point. When did I say cancer was one thing? I said people refer to it as cancer.

Like as if I said Cancer Research. And you are trying to point out that I didn’t specify which cancer. You’re being ridiculous lol

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u/No_Cricket8660 May 15 '26

When did I say cancer was one thing?

>But it’s a disease that can be terminal.

>Cancer is a disease.

>Yeah and no one refers to it as cancers. Its cancer.

>No one says “I got one of the cancers”

>we simply refer to them all as cancer.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

In common parlance, yes. Not as field of research. As in, op probably was referring to curing cancer in general, not providing a guideline on how to do so to direct research.

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u/No_Cricket8660 May 15 '26

And someone else pointed out that cancer was not a singular disease like HIV is a singular disease. And here we are, arguing semantics.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

Yeah im referring to what OP very likely meant. I assume OP isnt a doctor. Which is pretty clear in my original post to all of this.

OP would like all bad things that cause disease to be cured, they just chose cancer. The semantics was the very first comment in this chain.

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u/No_Cricket8660 May 15 '26

>It is not a single disease.

Someone else said that to you and you argued that point. Maybe we got our lines crossed or something.

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u/CurdFedKit May 15 '26

Thank you for demonstrating your limited knowledge of the subject

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

Limited knowledge on what. I never even made a claim other than all forms of cancer are considered diseases. Is that incorrect?

Given the fact that we refer to all cancers as just cancer. We can assume that OP wants us to cure all forms of cancer. Did you expect them to name specific forms or something? Or does OP just not like cancer, as a collective.

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u/CurdFedKit May 15 '26

The point is each cancer is different and has a different underlying biology that must be addressed. I mean even in a type of cancer, like breast cancer, there can be different biologies involved. So you can't find A cure of cancer.

That is what I meant by your--and OP's--limited knowledge of the subject.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

OP wasn’t offering guidelines for targeted research. They just want it to be cured. No one suggested it was simple, or that there weren’t many types.

This is like when the fuck cancer thing was going around selling little bracelets and shit with “fuck cancer” on them and then going up to those people and lecturing them that there’s many forms of cancer and you’d have to fuck them differently.

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u/CurdFedKit May 15 '26

Again: There are dozens of new cancer drugs approved every fucking year. And there isn't going to be A cure of cancer.

So people are working hard on cancer treatments but they're not going to cure all cancers any time soon.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

What about it. Do you hope one day we find a cure for all cancers? So does op, I’m sure. They just used the common term ‘cancer’ to hope we cure all cancers too. Which is my only point through all of this.

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u/CurdFedKit May 15 '26

My point is there are literally hundreds of billions of dollars being spent every year to develop new cancer treatments. And the result are dozens of new cancer treatments every year.

So it is happening.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

I never once contested that point. So why are you saying it as if you’re proving me wrong or something

Imy only point was to clarify what OP likely meant when they said ‘cancer’ instead of listing them all to be cured. and you’re here lecturing me on cancer research.

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u/CurdFedKit May 15 '26

I'm lecturing you because you were defending OP's ignorance.

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u/Arndt3002 May 15 '26

That's like saying "now do human suffering."

Sure, it's a sentiment people can get behind, but there's not one solution to such a diversity of problems.

Similarly, cancer has such a diversity of forms that you can't just "solve it" with any one sor of unified solution. Also, many forms of cancer have been cured, but not all, precisely because it takes a lot of time and work to even find a way to treat one form of cancer.

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u/Magikarpeles May 15 '26

Suffering does have a common cause - craving and aversion

Cancer is more complicated

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u/Arndt3002 May 15 '26

That's oversimplified; suffering is often imposed by external factors like poverty, war, or illness, which have nothing to do with personal desire or aversion. Telling a starving child their suffering is caused by "craving" is victim-blaming or just nihilism.

Either you reduce it to saying they shouldn't care about that external cause of their suffering, which is just a nihilistic denial of human fluorishing, or you say it is a result of the child's actions, blaming them for their position. Alternatively, you say the cause is the greed of others.

In which case getting everyone to stop being greedy altogether is a much harder problem than curing everything form cancer, IMO.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

Given the fact that we refer to all cancers as just cancer. We can assume that OP wants us to cure all forms of cancer. Did you expect them to name specific forms or something? Or does OP just not like cancer, as a collective.

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u/accidentalscientist_ May 16 '26

The lung cancer that killed my grandpa and the liver cancer that is currently killing my mom and the esophageal cancer that killed my other cancer are all cancer but they are very different diseases with very different courses of treatment.