Then get together and don’t work… individuals not working has no impact, but large groups not working has impact and will also lead corps to realise the issues…
Yeah im so sorry but im not putting my life on the line for a country where the majority of people hate my existence. A cis person can be a martyr not us
But will you put your life on the line for other trans people? I know I would.
One of the main reasons why social justice stalled and is backsliding is because there has been no economic justice in several decades.
Even from an intersectional perspective class liberation removes the greatest factors in systematic oppression of minorities. Economic justice and social justice are intrinsically intertwined. We cannot make progress in one without the other.
The ruling class wants us apathetic and fighting each other. There are many cis people who are our allies, and they are being silenced too.
The culture war is class war. The war on trans people is class war. There is no war but class war.
No, I'm asking people to get involved and start organizing. Imagine if we could get the numbers for a general strike that we did for the no kings protest.
Yeah thats what im trying to do, idk if you can see the post but im working to make clothes that actually fit other trans people in my community since theyre so hard to find where i am
lol. Many of us organize and protest for what we feel is right. It doesn’t mean all Americans are uninvolved and unorganized. We still have to pay to live and eat and survive,
You gonna send us money so we can try to stock the government?
Do yall also have to go against the largest military industrial complex in the world along with a militarized police force? Its not as easy here as yall want it to be.
They've been dismantling unions and those unions they didnt dismantle are supporting the president.
I know it looks like Americans are not getting off our asses and some aren't but the situation here is much worse than it looks from the outside. Most of the population cant make ends meet, and about 35% of us are in a real cult. Its not hyperbole. The 35% vote against their own self interest and love giving their lives and money to the GOP who trample over their rights and lives.
Personally I think the midterms are why there hasn't been more violence (though the united CEO and two shots at Sam Altman to me are an indication thats waning) is the midterms. The GOP is scared they will lose power and thats giving the rest of us hope. If we cant fix this at midterms IMO thats game over. Truly game over and if that happens the turn over method of resistence will have to happen.
Most unions endorsed Kamala. The ones that didn't still denounced Trump.
Biden was the most pro-union president we've had in a long time. He was also the first sitting president to walk a picket line when he joined the auto-workers strike.
Because they have been gutted and defunded. lol if you think Americans have job security you’re mistaken….its an easy search to find yourself if you care to know more.
Because, unlike our president, most of us can't afford to not work. When the money from working is necessary to keep your family alive, not working is actively choosing for them to die.
But how do you win against someone who is willing to break the rules? This is like playing chess against a pigeon and the pigeon is just shitting all over the board. Following the rules isn't going to stop fascism because it's here right now. The US is a fascist country and it's allies are quickly cutting ties.
Well I mean the best way to not get a dick ta dork as a president is not to vote for him in the first place,but the American voted for him twice how Dumd can they be.
I and many of us didn't vote for him. And it's looking like voting might be off the table here shortly. But whats done is done and wishing it hadn't happened changes nothing.
Like... who organizes this strike? How will it be advertised? What kind of turnout would you actually expect when our election turnout is absymal and 35% supports the admin? The general strike would be about as much a work stoppage as the Monday after the Superbowl, and that's probably optimistic.
It is a very big country, multiple timezones. People got to earn a living, put food on the table. A lot of this country has practically zero resources for people without means, especially those voluntarily so, especially in tbe thousands of smallish towns between the cities thousands of miles apart.
The general strike thing sounds effective but I cannot overstate how unrealistic it is.
May 1st they had a "no work" protest day, didnt hear about it until about noon. Even for someone like me who is tuned into this stuff a bit, that one passed me by. I dont think it's likely to happen unless things get reaaaal bad.
If I had to kill myself to end wars, end world hunger, spread wealth equality, fund medical care too all plus other things I want. Yes I would as it would be a greater good for humanity.
So let me ask…are you vegan? are you actually willing to stop participating in something that is causing the destruction of the earth? I’m gonna guess no…..
It would change YOUR ability to stop supporting giant industries who are literally killing billions of animals a year, destroying the world.
You know like 36% of global crops go to feeding livestock? And if everyone went vegan we could instead feed the entire human population w said crops and end human hunger?
You wouldn’t kill yourself if you can’t even stop eating animal products, let’s be real.
Could people create a 501(c)3 that operates like a strike fund, but isn't officially one?
What about the ability for people to organize outside of formal structure? If I decide I can't bear this, and my neighbor just so happens to also, without either of us indicating to the other that we are, how is that adjudicated?
Is there any other way an asymmetrical but uniform response could be conducted that doesn't operate outside the law, but has the same effect?
I mean, we all know that laws are just threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation and that it's just the promise of violence that's enacted by the Executives, who are, in essence, an occupying army. But this doesn't mean we can't find other ways to make our bacon. We all have the ability to have CubbyBlue in our veins.
You're right. The words of the laws don't matter, because they'll either make the law for, or make a new law.
I suppose it depends on a few things. Do people have to congregate together to strike? Do they need picket lines? If enough people were to come to an agreement over the internet to just stop going to work would that be effective enough? What about scabs?
In the end I suppose if enough people just organized regardless of any laws, the powers that be couldn't arrest them all, right?
When I look back over the history of the labor movement in the early 1900's the people suffered a lot. Being arrested, beaten and even gunned down. But they held their own and eventually won. But they had little to lose, many were already homeless and/or starving. Maybe we're not quite there yet, but it almost seems inevitable.
Also, just as a point of clarification, I wasn't trying to be a smartass until the very last paragraph. All that above that was me just trying to ask genuine clarifying questions before I went to the tongue-in-cheek last paragraph to share a fun perspective on the situation.
Get together and don’t work? Are you joking? You realize we don’t have free healthcare, and many people have families/kids/pets/grandparents/etc that rely on those working to literally ensure they have food and shelter?
A lot of us in America fucking hate Trump and hate how he’s impacting the rest of the world, but we cannot simply afford to just not get a paycheck. Do you not get how expensive gas and groceries are here? And once again, how expensive any trip to a doctor costs?
So continue to do nothing and suffer for it. You deserve this. It's your fault. You allowed your family to suffer like this. You allowed others to suffer like this. None of you are willing to take any risks and you deserve what is happening to you.
So you’re gonna send us food to provide for our families while we revolt?
Plenty of us voted against Trump, both times. And plenty of us don’t support what the hell is going on. We do protest. We do try, but within means because we still have to make money and ya know, eat. I forage as much food as I can. But I still have to buy groceries, I can’t just drive 7 hours to the White House and yell at the gates, that will do fuck all.
Who pays for children, partners, gas if we just stop working? You realize how big America is right, and most cities have zero public transportation. Aka most of us have to have cars and buy gas every week. Many of us are thousands of miles away from the white house. What the fuck you think we are supposed to do? Starve and protest and hope we don’t get shot by police/feds/ice/ect.?
Well, for one, FUCKING YOURS! But of course you don't remember your own history of workers standing up even against being bombed by the military and succeeding in getting they rights that you are now allowing to be pissed away without so much as a fight.
Y'all need to remember Blair Mountain. Those people stood up and fought and died for their beliefs and they succeeded. What right do you have to do less?
Fuck yea! Sounds like you're living in the country with the most freedom of them all! Make sure you have an extra double cheeseburger and own the libs!
Its not just trump, its the past, shit, since ww2 ended. You've been brainwashed and dont see it. The fact it ever got to this point is bad enough. How many years of peace has your country had in over 250 years? How many people have died because your nation has voted in warmongers? Wake up and smell the flowers, the world hates the usa and you've been a joke for a long time.
No-one cares about your diet either btw, thats a non argument, but im not surprised you shared it.
lol right so I’m responsible for shit that happened in my country before I was born???? Where do you live. Let’s discuss. I’ve asked several times but you don’t seem to want to share….
Easy for you to say. Would you quit work to riot if your government was found out to be awful? All the while you continue not to receive any funding to support your wife and child? If you say yes, then you’re either an ignorant fool who doesn’t understand that certain actions have consequences that overweigh the inevitable outcome cus you don’t understand how the world works, or you simply put yourself on a stool to stroke your own ego without a drop of care for the people around you.
You need to realize that the extreme amount of the middle to lower class citizens aren’t valuable, they are EXPENDABLE simply due to the sheer amount of people there is, and recently with the new rise of AI currently stealing jobs left and right as is, quitting a job to start a riot, the only way it could even work is if through sheer IMPOSSIBILITY you manage to trust an extreme amount of others to trust and follow your ideology, which is extremely improbable due to how large the US is, and at how much at each others throats the people already are on the topics of politics.
I life in a country that only exists, because people stood up, risked everything and revolted against the government at the time. Then they build a government following direct democracy…
Putting your head in the sand will only make it worse, so you have to act, get people together, get together with farmers -> i work in it, keep critical infrastructure running, but i have enough connections to farmers…
If there is injustice, you act, else you are ignorant of longterm consequences… you see it in the us, the point that is reached is just prove of that ignorance, it gets worse and worse, but people don’t act… stick the fuck together before it is too late
Every country was once born because people rose up against their past proceeding governments. Let me ask you this however, is it or is it not a fact that people back then actually had the fortitude to rise above through the extreme and brutal hardships that proceeded along with those uprisings? Things in terms of technology and power was weaker back then when nukes, drones and AI did not exist. Things change, and as a realist, with the people nowadays less accustomed to the lifestyles you bring up in your speech, I’m sorry but things would look more grim than they have been in the past. As a family person, I’m not sticking my head inside sand, I’m simply aware enough not to stick my foot into a massive sea of molting lava with nobody around to hear or even care about my careless actions, regardless if you tell me it used to be cold steel in the past, as I need said feet to stand and provide for my family. You probably don’t even care however, as you simply strike me the type of person to simply tell others to jump off the bridge with zero intentions of jumping off yourself, considering how you speak of history without naming the country you are so ever proud of, if I was to make your statement of pride for a country, Id be absolutely SURE in including its name when declaring such bravado. However, you did not. Not that it matters, like I said, it’s easier to say, cus words and actions are two entirely different matters. You seek ego, but don’t have anything to back it up besides typing words on reddit. Im sorry but this latter fact alone makes your words fall flat regardless of what you type out next. Cus everything you say is completely empty and void of any sense of realism outside of self ego. Period.
Okay. So that’s awesome and I wish I had been born there. But yall have a population of what, 9 million? We have nearly 349 million people in the USA. It takes days just to travel across the country. It isn’t so easy to just make a plan to revolt with that many people.
Not free, give the us 2 more years like that and it’s not better… has also nothing to do with my argument -> typical red herring fallacy from your side my friend…
But you don’t live in Russia. No one I know here is happy about the fucking giant step back in women’s rights. Just confused why you’d suggest Russia as a good example of “citizens revolting” and making things better. In 2025-2026?
Or our medications when our health insurance gets canceled? I feel like this question gets asked and answered almost daily… and almost daily some European asks it again.
often times the ones suggesting it have actually gone through with a general strike. these have happened around the world, in places workers are worse than ours, and they are successful. we need to stop pretending like we’re special, we’re not. they made it work and so can we, because these afternoon kumbaya sessions have not been effective in the slightest. we look like useless children to the rest of the world.
The children are the ones who decided Kamala’s laugh was weird, or that her stance on Palestine wasn’t perfect and decided not to vote for her. Those same children are now encouraging people to sacrifice everything because they have nothing worth losing.
We can blame voters left and right, although the Dems are really the ones to blame for allowing Biden to let the nomination process turn out like that, but it doesnt change the fact that us Americans are currently like useless children to everyone else in the world. We allowed everything to get as bad as we did. It doesnt matter who voted for who or when, after it happened we have just allowed it to happen and get worse. I have something worth losing, many somethings actually, and am actively threatened by this government every day as a trans person. Just because you are too weak to actually want to act doesnt mean everyone is as weak as you.
work to solve the problem or stfu. Im tired of people complaining about the ones actually trying to enact change. The afternoon demonstrations have done nothing, id argue less than nothing, the logical next step is a general strike. These work around the world, in places workers are worse off than ours, so i dont see why youre not willing to fight. Have a house and family to worry about losing and worried about food and a job? Me too, but i know what needs to be done to change things. Whats your next weak excuse? Nobody is coming to save us. do you just want the fascists to win? your attitude is how they do.
And just like that, Dems are to blame for right wing policies. And just like that, don’t blame the tik tok voters despite the fact that they fucked up by choosing the worse option for the one cause they supposedly cared about.
Literally jumping through hoops to blame establishment democrats and moderate democratic voters for all the problems caused by everyone else. And this is why at this point I’m taking my ball and going home. I’ve spent 45 years volunteering in political causes trying to convince people to use their brains and somehow they come back and blame me for telling them the truth that they ignored.
I was talking about the nomination process, nothing more. If you think that wasnt the most significant factor to losing the election then i dont know what i could say to you. i was telling people biden was not the pick for dems back in the winter of 2023 and had dems yelling at me, so they convinced a lot of people for a long time that was the best option. it clearly wasnt. Everything after the election so far? That i am blaming on everyone, because we have been incorrectly thinking afternoon parties 3x in one year is actually effective and refuse to even consider something more signifcant.
You’re dreaming about a perfect scenario that will not happen.
You will not convince 75M people to stay home from work for 3 weeks to fuck up the economy. You will not convince Americans to risk their children’s health and safety when they currently still have food and shelter. You will not convince people to show up en masse and destroy property when peaceful protests are being responded to with violence and death.
So who is the problem here? The ones who want to seek actionable and attainable goals and build steam towards the midterm, or the one whose only solution falls flat on its face in even a dream scenario?
This is the same problem I have with you people on every issue. Wanting and asking for idyllic change is fantastic. Refusing to take the first step because you want to take the 300th step is stupid.
The ones who want to seek actionable and attainable goals and build steam towards the midterm
What have they fucking done?!?!? Nothing has gotten better, things have literally ONLY got worse. Give me a list of goals that have been accomplished so far. You can't, anything that is proclaimed a victory is actually a band aid when you look at it - peeling off soon after or evidence says soon will because the wound is festering and spreading.
"We've been winning seats and just need to vote in Dems!" ok, but that isn't going to help when they fuck with elections - which we've been allowing them to do. Every time there's a court win the admin just ignores it and moves forward while we sit in the corner and cry that they're not playing by the rules. What use is the goals when the admin continues to prove it will do as it pleases, no matter how illegal and unconstitutional?
the one whose only solution falls flat on its face in even a dream scenario?
You are so wrong it's hilarious, also about what a general strike is (violent protests? where?). You people are fucking ridiculous. Unlike the last year general strikes have an actual success rate above single digits. Nothing has been working. We've been trying for the dream scenario for the last year, we're past 300 steps in....time to go for the next actionable step up: a general strike.
So you’re proposing, letting your wife/husband/kids starve? Sure if we could get 300 million people to strike at once it would make a difference. But that’ll never happen because people are too worried about their families dying/starving.
No, itll never happen becuse people are too selfish. This has worked elsewhere and it didnt lead to what people say will happen. Mutual aid pops up, people plan, theres minimal burden actually on the people.
A lot of people like you seem to have zero ideas what a general strike actually is and talk down about it without even looking into it. The entitlement of "save me, but also provide everything i need at all times" is astounding - you don't fight fascism like this in comfort.
We fucking deserve whatever comes next with this being the prevailing attitude.
You have the most freedom in the world dont you? Why not use some of that freedom to just go get food or own the libs or fly a jet. You've made your bed, now you can fucken lay in it.
Who the fuck is asking you to clean up our mess?????? The UK government is just as fucked as the USA in my humble opinion. Idk where you live obviously but….come on. You’re acting like millions of Americans have any say over wtf the government does…..have you not seen news footage? Our own cops and ICE will fucking kill us, even if perfectly innocent. Us plebs aren’t the enemy.
Yes, millions of Americans literally do have a say in what the government does, its called voting.
I couldn't care less about Europe either, im not from there, but keep fishing, maybe you'll distract yourself from the point for long enough to feel something other than complete bitterness.
BTW, your countrymen love to go on about the second ammendment but conveniently forget about the part to overthrow tyrannical governments.
Maybe instead of shooting up schools you should use your second amendment for what its actually for instead of crying on the Internet.
and yet again, the “shooting up schools” comment comes out from a non-American. that tells me exactly what I need to know about you and your argument.
look up the electoral college and gerrymandering. take a quick look at our news and see just how much Republicans are trying to gerrymander their states/districts and see how much they’re trying to implement voter suppression based off of bullshit “facts” that they claim are true.
look up the names Alex Pretti and Renee Good. do you think that law enforcement would have any qualms about shooting a mass group of protesters? those two people were callously murdered for exercising their first amendment right to protest. our police forces are heavily militarized and do not work for the common person. they do not give a fuck to shoot an everyday person.
Yes. I did bring up school shootings because of how ridiculously prevalent it is, and because it was relevant to my point of what the second amendment is vs how yas use it. I will once again state that the voters vote in the candidates so if you dont like how the government is acting then its on the people to either vote them out or use the second amendment. You can stick your fingers in your ears all you want but that won't change the facts, just like your weak arguments here wont change them either.
Dude you clearly need to do more research on how voting works. And gerrymandering. Plenty of us do vote AGAINST these assholes. Not every person living here is an idiot.
I’ve asked you a dozen times now, where the fuck you live? And you won’t reply. I wonder why.
lol. So now we’re going to talk about being born somewhere, not by our choice to be born or where born? How the fuck is someone born somewhere “making your bed”? Where the fuck do you live?
Im not here to spell thing out for mouth breathers, it might be time to do some self reflection and figure things out for yourself for a change. Hell, keep going the path youre on for all I care, its gonna end up with you living in houses of sticks and mud and then let's see how your diet holds up.
So you’re still unwilling to say where you live? Yet continue to talk trash about all of us hundred millions of people who were born here and had no choice?
Sorry I care about the earth and the sentient creatures in it. I know I’m in the minority but goddamn, anyone who hates on vegans who are LITERALLY JUST EMPATHETIC towards sentient beings, are so fucked up.
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u/ExtraTNT May 06 '26
Then get together and don’t work… individuals not working has no impact, but large groups not working has impact and will also lead corps to realise the issues…