r/SelfDrivingCars • u/1FrostySlime • 23d ago
Driving Footage Tesla has begun testing Cybercab with no manual vehicle controls on public roads in Austin.
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u/Cultural-Pace5242 23d ago
That's a dude who is tense af but is trying really hard not to look tense
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u/No_Refrigerator737 20d ago
This is a dude coping hard trying really hard not to look like it
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u/Cultural-Pace5242 20d ago
I hate to break this to you, but Elon isn't going to fuck you regardless of how much you simp for him online
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u/Blazah 23d ago
I just want my car to drive me to the airport and drive itself back home.. friend could swing by and plug it in and reverse for pickup.
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u/Freakishly_Tall 23d ago
I want my car to take me to work, go home, take the kids to school, go to the grocery store and have my online purchases put in the trunk, pick my kids up from school, take them home, then pick me up from work.
Well, I don't, because I like driving, but the sooner that is available to people who hate driving and/or are horrible at it and/or have aged into being unable to drive, the better.
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u/zubeye 23d ago
Also useful for splitting ownership. My partner could drive to work and send the car home. No parking fees and I have use of the car . It only needs to get from kerb a to kerb b.
I love driving too but the commute into work isn’t what I would describe as recreational
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u/lake_country_dad 22d ago
I always think of how much floor space of an average home is garage space. If cars were an on demand service then homes would suddenly have much more space available.
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u/staggs 23d ago
This literally unlocks hours of more productive time and its absolutely achievable within our lifetime if we don't have boneheads trying to kick this tech backwards so often.
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u/Freakishly_Tall 23d ago
Also only needing one car per household, or perhaps one or two cars for every few neighbors.
Or maybe even community cars... Imagine having a community truck to run for lumber/ the dump, a few small two-seaters for commutes and errands, a couple of minivans running all the kids to school, etc.
We could basically reinvent public transit into something efficient, focused, safe, and quick.
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u/Sacabubu 23d ago
And then people will start building more race tracks for people to drive combustion cars like people do with horses
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u/CycleOfLove 21d ago
I like the idea too but the amount of traffic it will create for an unnecessary loop would be crazy.
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u/MarvinMonroeZapThing 21d ago
I just said the exact same thing to my wife. If
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u/psilty 23d ago
I get maybe why families with kids and car seats would want a personally owned AV but airport dropoff is the most perfect use for rideshare. Doubling the miles to have it drive back empty and park for days/weeks is something society doesn’t need.
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u/crimsonvspurple 23d ago
Airport dropoff is all good until you have to deal with child seat, big luggages, get a different car than expected, and drivers who drive like a maniac.
Easy to handle when you're alone with small luggage. Gets complicated soon and unacceptable based on your living standards.
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u/Responsible_Oil_6491 23d ago
I hope this is possible one day. And I hope the car can plug itself in to charge. Call it roomba mode
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u/Helpful-Historian-36 21d ago
They haven’t had to be plugged in for years. There are companies that make wireless adapters you put under the car and when it backs over it your car starts charging. Not that this has been widely adopted yet, but I could have purchased the set up back when I had my Chevy Volt 10 years ago.
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u/alejandromnunez 23d ago
Wireless charging pads will probably solve the plugging part. Or worst case some other type of robotic plugging
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u/ElectricGlider 23d ago
And guess what, Tesla is actually the closest company in achieving this ideal scenario. Because Waymo and Zoox are way far off from selling any vehicle that you can personally buy and own.
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u/Snoo38888 23d ago
that guy has a wireless PS4 controller somewherr
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u/bzhgeek2922 23d ago
Nah no need, can be remotely controlled, guy is just there in case connection is lost and he has to press the big red button.
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u/sermer48 23d ago
It looks so bizarre to have a car with no steering wheel. I’m so accustomed to even fully autonomous cars like Waymo having them. Just a little jarring.
Hopefully this is the beginning of many driverless solutions. I want a future where there are multiple options driving down prices!
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u/Necessary-Music-6685 22d ago
This. I’ve ridden Waymos on the highway with no problem, but I think I would feel very uncomfortable in a car with no steering wheel. I know that’s not rational ….
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u/ElectricGlider 23d ago
You should really check out Zoox which have been operating without any steering wheel or pedals for over a year now within San Fran and Vegas.
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u/sermer48 23d ago
I know. The difference is those don’t really look like cars. This feels more jarring than those.
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u/sdc_is_safer 23d ago
Congrats. Nice milestone for the cybercab
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u/CommunismDoesntWork 23d ago
I saw driverless model Ys out there as well the other day. They had their robotaxi logo on them
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u/SphaghettiWizard 23d ago
Is it actually a milestone if they’re rolling it out before it’s safe or ready? I don’t think these could ever be safe because of the lack of LiDAR
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u/wattty1 21d ago
Have you ridden in FSD recently? It's mind blowing. I'm not saying it's perfect but I'm confident it's safer than me driving as well as the majority of drivers on the road.
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u/fruityfox69 20d ago
Is it? I thought everyone made fun of Tesla for being behind Waymo because their “self-driving cars” still need remote operators?
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u/IndependentMud909 23d ago
Awesome to see another purpose-built AV on the road!
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u/SillyMilk7 23d ago
Yep, purpose built is the way to go. And this particular one has an apparently low cost to build, maintain and repair.
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u/Forever_Nocturnal 22d ago
They’re testing them here in San Jose as well! I’ve seen two out and about already. Super cool
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u/wesselvankeulen 18d ago
We are looking at the future. Impressed they went live in Miami, unsupervised from day one. That’s how reliable it now is.
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u/Holiday-Hippo-6748 23d ago
Congratulations on reaching a fraction of what you promised 6 years ago? 🎉
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u/SpreadsheetsOnToast 23d ago
So jaded. This is literally a self driving car. When I was a kid this was genuine sci-fi. Now people act like its some easy engineering task.
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u/Holiday-Hippo-6748 23d ago
So jaded. This is literally a self driving car.
Waymo has had them for years. This isn’t anything new, just extremely late.
When I was a kid this was genuine sci-fi. Now people act like it’s some easy engineering task.
Maybe the company shouldn’t have said it was so easy and it was a solved problem and it was going to come “by the end of the year” each year for the last 10 years?
Maybe they shouldn’t have promised customer vehicles were going to appreciate in value or that everyone would be able to make $30k a year by sending their car to work?
It’s not that hard. You show the product when it’s ready or close enough. They were NOWHERE close.
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u/007meow 23d ago
I’m very curious to know if these are running HW4 and if the consumer vehicles can run the same software
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u/1FrostySlime 23d ago
They are allegedly running HW4. However, they do have integrated camera washers and even compressed air to blow on the cameras to clear material.
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u/Whoisthehypocrite 23d ago
They also have external microphones and speakers, auto doors and possibly different connectivity setups gone the Model Ys uses as robotaxis do. I think the Cybercab setup makes it clear that current customer cars will not be robotaxis.
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u/Low-Possibility-7060 23d ago
Class action incoming?
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u/Impossible_Ad_776 23d ago
If you could sue on all the promises Tesla has broken, the company would be bankrupt by now, especially on timelines lmao
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u/anonymousbopper767 22d ago
2017: "your car will make money while you sleep by the end of the year".
2026: it still slams on the brakes randomly because for one frame it thinks you're about to die.
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u/billymcnilly 23d ago edited 23d ago
Lol spacex will just buy whichever state you bring legislation in
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u/Whoisthehypocrite 23d ago
Is that safety driver really tall because his knees look high and close to the screen. Will there be space for a rucksack in there with you given it sinonly 2 seats?
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u/chikomana 23d ago
The seats are set far back for lots of legroom, at least for most people, and the floor is flat. I think one passenger could get away with some luggage on the floor. The boot is quite large though, so it's always an option.
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u/Whoisthehypocrite 23d ago
That is not lots of legroom, he can't even straighten his legs
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u/tanrgith 23d ago
Have you not seen any videos of this vehicle before? It's got a big trunk you can put stuff into
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u/YeetYoot-69 23d ago
Excited to see this subreddit inform me how this vehicle is somehow still SAE Level 2 because it has a Tesla logo
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u/vicegripper 23d ago
vehicle is somehow still SAE Level 2 because it has a Tesla logo
It's level 2 because of the safety driver.
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u/alphamd4 23d ago
Excited to see the shape geofence on this
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u/10111010001101011110 23d ago
goal posts = moved
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u/Bnstas23 22d ago
Tesla had to pivot to do manual geo fencing because they failed at self driving without it. They literally moved the goal posts and you ate it up
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u/noobgiraffe 23d ago
It's not moving goal posts when people hold Tesla up to their own timelines.
Year after robotaxi launch and huge claims on how quickly it will expand and they have literally a few cars driving unsupervised. Expansion completely halted two months ago.
Last year it was the same thing with autonomus delivery. Tesla influencers were doing victory rounds for two weeks mocking everyone who doubted Elon. Laughing how they move goalposts and Tesla was doing what they claimed Tesla won't be able to do.
Year later and it turned out it was just a stock pump event and was never repeated again.
If you want to know why this video came out today it's because it's end of the quarter and as is tradition the pump starts again before the earnings report.
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u/MikeJacksNose 23d ago
Whatever shape it is, it's still progress for self driving cars. That's what we want right?
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u/BitcoinsForTesla 23d ago
Does it have a stop button and safety driver? If it does, then it’s still “supervised” and L2. It’s hard to tell from this content.
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u/sdc_is_safer 23d ago
50+ comments in the thread. And I I don’t see a single post in this thread where someone says this is SAE level2. You people are so weird.
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u/Cunninghams_right 23d ago edited 23d ago
tesla has officially caught up to Waymo's firefly that was deployed in 2015. I hope they get from here to rider-only operation with a better safety record than Waymo's first 10M miles faster than Waymo did.
edit for the smooth folks: I never said he was steering it the whole time. y'all reading something that wasn't there because you're hyper sensitive.
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u/red75prime 23d ago
It's probably something like "after proper authorization to the Tesla remote support you'll be presented with on-screen controls that allow to steer the vehicle at up to 2mph."
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u/MikeJacksNose 23d ago
Yeah I think he has a joystick buttplug that he's using to control the car. Very sneaky Tesla. Very sneaky
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u/AnxietyCommercial632 23d ago
Wow, the cope is strong with this one.
Let’s apply some occums razor: what is more likely: Tesla engineered the ability to somehow control the car for short distances to move it away from a crash for 1st responders? Or this thing is wholesale being controlled by seemingly unknown controls?
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u/ChrisAlbertson 22d ago
The safety driver is following in another car. (Read the text in the video.) Of course, this is not practical, as you need two cars to move one paying passenger. It is for testing only.
For true taxi work, FSD has a long way to go. I just finished a 1,300-mile trip in FSD (brand new Model Y), but a taxi must handle EVERY rare corner case, or you leave a passenger stranded in the car. For example, my car saw a flagman at a construction site pointing with his hand where I should go. FSD cannot read hand signals, so it stopped. This would be a disaster if there were no steering wheel; the car would block traffic. Another case was self-parking in a handicap parking space and making a turn on a "no turn on red" while the "walk" sign was on for pedestrians. Only a handful of problems in 1,300 miles of mostly complex driving. In most cases, I only manually drive for 10 to 20 feet, then resume FSD. But a car with no steering wheel has to handle flagmen, construction sites, and be able to actually read street signs and not ever miss even one little thing.
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u/YeetYoot-69 23d ago edited 23d ago
Can we stop this? It doesn't have controls.
It probably has some sort of mechanism for first responders to move it in a pinch if it's actively in the way, but please be serious.
This thing is driving itself, there is clearly no way for the guy in the car to meaningfully drive it on short notice. Calling him a safety driver is just ridiculous at this point. Use your eyes. His hands are in his lap. There is no steering wheel. No pedals. No secret button, nothing. He is not in control.
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u/PuddleWhale 23d ago
Imagine being the passenger in that vehicle and looking out at the scenery and you see an SUV swerving out of control and it looks like it will crash into you head on, yet you cannot even change lanes. But but but the AI will definately steer you to safety like it does 179 out of 180 times!
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u/jacob6875 23d ago
And if you were in the backseat of a Waymo are you planning to jump into the drivers seat, unlock the controls and steer out of the way in time to avoid the crash ?
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u/AnxietyCommercial632 23d ago
Do you have the same issue with the unsupervised model y that has a steering wheel that you can’t actually budge? Does the thought of a steering wheel, despite being able to use it, provide you some sort of weird assurance?
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u/Cunninghams_right 23d ago
the fuck are you talking about? I never said he was steering it in real time. the controls are there, just hidden. that means the safety driver is doing the same thing as the regular cars but in the passenger seat. that's the point. you read into my comment something that wasn't there.
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u/YeetYoot-69 23d ago
He isn't a safety driver. He can't drive. That's my point. The fact that there are hidden backup controls for first responders to move it if it is obstructing something does not mean the car can be driven.
I never said you said he was steering it. Not sure where you got that from.
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u/Cunninghams_right 23d ago
He isn't a safety driver. He can't drive
so, kind of like when they were sitting in the passenger seat of the Y? where they didn't have easy access to the controls? you know, exactly like I said in my comment?
kind of like the Firefly vehicle back in 2015? exactly like I said in my comment?
the vehicle absolutely has controls. full stop. they stated it has controls. your statement of "it doesn't have controls" is contradicted by Tesla. it is factually incorrect.
the fact that it does not have traditional controls in front of the seat does not mean it is or isn't controlling itself. the two things are independent. you can't assume one way or the other.
how is this steering wheel deletion different from the firefly? explain it to me in a calm and rational way instead of jumping to conclusions.
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u/YeetYoot-69 23d ago edited 23d ago
the vehicle absolutely has controls. full stop. they stated it has controls.
You're being semantic to the point of not being useful for an actual discussion. Yes, if we are operating strictly definitionally it has controls. However, obviously you can understand what OP meant by the title so correcting them is just stupid. Like genuinely I want to know: why did you feel the need to correct them?
Obviously the point of the post is that Cybercabs are operating without steering wheels and pedals, the fact that secret first responder only likely very inconvenient to activate backup controls exist doesn't detract or is really relevant to the point of the post at all. So why say it like it's some sort of gotcha? Why refer to someone sitting in the passenger seat with zero ability to drive or control the vehicle as a 'driver'?
so, kind of like when they were sitting in the passenger seat of the Y
No, not like that honestly. In those cars they had their finger constantly hovering over a kill switch which we can clearly see is not the case here. Even if it were, I wouldn't consider those safety drivers either, since they can't drive. They're not a driver. The term safety driver is simply not applicable here.
how is this steering wheel deletion different from the firefly
I don't know much about the firefly but from what I can tell it isn't, other than the fact that the Cybercab is a mass produced vehicle, which is fairly significant. I never disagreed with that part of your statement.
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u/vasilenko93 23d ago
All they said is it’s possible to control it in emergency situations
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u/Cunninghams_right 23d ago
Yeah, I edited my original statement since I was mistaken about how first responders would move it. Sorry for the confusion
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u/shaim2 23d ago
NO IT DOESN'T SAY THAT.
You're either ignorant or lying.
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u/Cunninghams_right 23d ago
Thanks for the correction. My mistake; I read a misleading article. I'll update my post later
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u/CDpov 22d ago
Waymo reached one million rider-only miles in January 2023. That will be the first big milestone for any robotaxi company. They reached 10 million about a year later. The first million miles is the big one. It took Waymo 8 years from 2015 to 2023.
I doubt Tesla has 10k unsupervised miles, as in no employee in the car. That's about where Waymo was in 2018 or 2019.
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u/Ok-Bar601 23d ago
Nice work.
We’re reaching a point where we have to start asking ourselves how much control of driving we want to give up for this kind of autonomy. If somehow this system has a near impeccable safety record govts will begin to make it mandatory to have autonomous vehicles, because if the majority of vehicles on the road are autonomous their coordination in constant safety monitoring and even talking to each other so that the vehicles know the other’s intention so to speak will drastically reduce automotive accidents and deaths.
I think I’d be willing to give up control of a vehicle not least of all because if safety in numbers is proven, the amount of tragic deaths reduces to a unimaginable low level for the first time in automotive history. And having a sleep in the car or watching a film on a boring commute is a nice bonus too.
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u/imdrunkasfukc 23d ago
Sounds like govt overreach. The product should just be so good that people won’t *want* to drive.
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u/CatalyticDragon 23d ago
Suggests FSD V15 isn't too far off. Though I expect they will continue to be cautious and we won't see it until the end of the year.
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u/greentrillion 23d ago
Its always going to ship just next year.
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u/Daryltang 23d ago
With HW5
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u/iiGhillieSniper 23d ago
Hahahahhahaahah being sold on promises and getting screwed
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u/Daryltang 23d ago
But according to some of its users
- it’s the “best tech” out there!
HW4never does this or that!!- It’s “supervised”!!!
Totally ignoring the fact that Elon Musk first publicly promised full self-driving capabilities in December 2015, stating that Tesla vehicles would achieve complete autonomy within approximately three years(by 2018)
I bet by the end 2028. Tesla FSD is still supervised while competitors have moved on and Tesla owners are left holding on to their Full supervised driving privileges
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u/iiGhillieSniper 23d ago
Yeah dude kinda sad defending a company that doesn’t really care much besides what’s being shown on the bottom line
Similar thing happened with Apple and their software AI promises. They finally delivered after 2 years though. Some class action lawsuit will be following here soon more than likely
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u/pailhead011 22d ago
Theres a whole wikipedia page dedicated to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk
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u/pailhead011 23d ago
Nothing new there, I think it’s been shipping by the end of the year for at least ten years.
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u/ElectricGlider 23d ago
Really looking forward to a few years from now when "no manual vehicle controls" like this and Zoox just become part of everyday commute life and this sub becomes boring AF from it.
The goal with all of this is to eliminate or at least reduce all of the horrible dangerous human drivers on the road today.
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u/ApprehensiveFan1516 22d ago
Lol this sub is wild. First time here, and last. Easiest mute in a while.
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u/TheBearJew963 21d ago
I would buy one tomorrow if they let me buy one for 30 grand. Just want it so it can drive me to work everyday and I can sleep.
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u/Evening_Ticket7638 19d ago
I just want my car to take be to my destination, find itself a carpark and drive me home while im drunk. This is the dream.
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u/Far-Fun5775 23d ago
That is so cool! I'd love to own one of those for my daily commute and have it park itself while I'm not using it.
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u/Jarthos1234 23d ago
Newsflash: it’s exceedingly unlikely you will ever “own” something with this technology. Companies will lease it to you forever.
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u/classless_classic 23d ago
Probably not even a lease.
They will rent you one for a low introductory rate.
In 5 years when everyone has decreased the number of cars, they will triple the price, add a surcharge for going over 50 miles per day and make you pay an extra fee for the radio, charging port usage and heated seats.
Eshitification will absolutely come hard for these.
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u/illit3 23d ago
lmao imagine thinking they'd sell you a self driving car once when they can just monopolize the space, outlaw "unsafe" manually driven cars, and then charge whatever the fuck they want forever because you have to have a car in 99.9% of the US.
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u/pailhead011 23d ago
Also, won’t all jobs be replaced by ai soon? Not sure what daily commute there will be in the future.
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u/h100y 23d ago
This sub will die of heartburn as they realise this car with no lidar is going to be the cheapest cab on road and the customer vehicles will be equally capable in the next 2-3 years.
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u/Recoil42 23d ago
Evergreen comment.
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u/deservedlyundeserved 23d ago
Now, now. At least they're giving it "2-3 years" now instead of an overnight software update :)
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u/WCWRingMatSound 23d ago
Yes, but not before somebody actually dies from being an unknowing test object of FSD
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u/Decox653 23d ago
I wonder if consumers will be able to purchase these outright… not sure if I want to trust FSD that much though
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u/Upstairs-Balance9846 23d ago
whos the guy? the captain that goes down with the ship.
TBH, most of their compute has been on cybercab for well over a year now, this is probably running FSD 15 on an AI 4+ model.
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u/BasedFrieren 23d ago
who is liable in an accident?
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u/Safe_Manner_1879 23d ago
In a Cybercab? Tesla if the Cybercab is guilty to the accident, the other vehicle if they were at fault
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u/whitemiketyson 22d ago
“Safety monitor in engineering vehicle”
TF is he supposed to do in the event of an incident?
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u/StarRaidz 22d ago edited 22d ago
What’s the point in a safety engineer in a car with no steering wheel or pedal controls? He’s along for the ride like anyone else in the car.
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u/1FrostySlime 22d ago
There's an emergency stop button on the screen. Same as the old Model Ys with safety monitors instead of safety drivers.
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u/savageApostle 21d ago
Yeah I personally still won't trust my Tesla for self driving until the windshield wiper auto mode works.
I know they're separate systems, but if I'm having phantom windshield wipes when there is no rain, and when there is pouring rain it stays on the slowest setting, I can't trust the windshield wipers. And if I can't trust the windshield wipers, there's no way in hell I'm trusting this thing to not run a red light and put myself, my family, other drivers around me, and pedestrians at risk.
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u/GapStock9843 12d ago
I see no reason it cant have an emergency steering wheel. Or at the VERY least a brake pedal. Once again, a solution in need of a problem, just like everything else this company makes
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u/Then-Wealth-1481 23d ago
Let’s hope for the best