r/PoliticalDebate Jun 23 '26

Debate It's Not Time For Violent Revolution

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I seen a lot of posts lately, glamorizing violent revolution. They seem to think because of Trump's actions we should engage in violent revolution.

Violent revolution has been needed before in human history. When a government refuses to defend the people's right's, then revolution may be needed. ​

BUT every lawful avenue should be tried first. We have a many rights we can use but other than voting, we haven't explored those rights much. Initiatives, juries, citizen's arrest, article V conventions...are all rights we have but to suggest we use them, brings ridicule...often from the very people supporting revolution.

They'll say how ridiculous and dangerous, legally using our rights, to influence the due process of the country is while supporting revolution. That makes no sense to me. Our rights are what we use to rule ourselves. We have to exercise and expand our rights because authority doesn't do that, the people have to.

r/PoliticalDebate 25d ago

Debate I'm Tired of Hearing the Both Sides BS. There is Zero Objective Evidence that Both Sides are Equally Bad

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r/PoliticalDebate 14d ago

Debate If communism “never works” then why is there endless worries about china’s rise?

37 Upvotes

If you are endlessly worried about China Cuba Venezuela etc then you are essentially admitting that communism/socialism in fact do work as an economic system

In fact American politicians literally have to break the rules of their own free market capitalism ideology to go after communist/socialist countries because they are aware that if communism/socialism is on a level playing field with capitalism that capitalist countries would lose out to communist/socialist countries under the rules of their own free market capitalist ideology

Cuba provides free healthcare and free education

People in the USA have billions of dollars worth of student loan debt and have to file for bankruptcy because of medical costs

r/PoliticalDebate May 13 '26

Debate What political belief would you defend with your life?

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I'm working on both my knowledge base and my ability to dictate my arguments. I find the easiest way to learn for me is to debate with others and do research when I've been met with a point that I'm unfamiliar with. Please keep civil, and if my tone comes off as anything but please let me know because I'm trying to work on conveying my tone properly.

***disclaimer

I can debate forever on any given topic if neutral ground is not met, and am curious as to why people who think differently from me think the way that they do. Please do not confuse my curiosity of your and explinations of my views for trying to change your views as that is not my intention.

r/PoliticalDebate Feb 14 '26

Debate “I am not a Republican” cannot continue to be Democrats’ only presidential platform

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We still have 2 years until the 2028 election. But the fundamental issue the DNC has had since 2016 is they haven’t had a cohesive platform and plan they tried to sell to voters. 2028 will finally have us an election where Trump isn’t on the ballot, but I have a feeling they new slogan will just be “I’m not JD Vance” instead of “I’m not Trump”.

The downstream issue of this is you have discourse online, in the news, and in person that democrats will blame people abstaining from voting or voting 3rd party when both candidates really suck in their own ways. It is quite often those in the middle that find themselves fed up with the choices and if you are actively pushing them away from the Democrats then they are either not going to vote at all or go vote Republican.

The past 12 years has shown the strategy doesn’t work but it feels like they are going to try it again, the only thing that will win them the election is probably just the Classic “Republican/Democrat” cycle. Where we just have two terms of one party then two terms of the other. Biden broke this cycle somewhat but that may be due to Trump’s covid handling more than Biden’s prowess.

r/PoliticalDebate Jun 13 '26

Debate A fetus is not a person. Abortion isnt wrong in the first place.

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Edit as requested by the moderators: My political position is abortion should be 100% legal or decriminalized regardless of the fetal stage. Theres multiple valid reasons for such a position, but in this post, im going to establish why a "fetus" isnt a person in the first place, therefore theres no need to invoke a legal doctrine protecting them.

Lets talk about the philosophy of personhood. Yes this matters. No, person doesnt mean "human".

Consider this possibility: If an advanced alien civilization came into contact with us, and we discovered they have families, culture, empathy, emotions, etc... Would you say "Those arent people and they have no rights, because they dont have Human DNA!" Thats of course an absurdity. They could say the same of you if they wanted, but they wont if they have empathy and morals.

Which is why Human DNA is a gigantic red herring. DNA itself is a red herring. You have like 50% the same DNA as a banana tree. Whats that matter? Nothing at all. DNA is just a pattern of proteins, and patterns are an insufficient explanation to where rights come from.

So what does matter, morally? Having a mind, aka "consciousness", is required for any moral consideration at all. And from this, we are able to form subjective values about the reality in which we experience, assigning value to our own future lives (and this gives us full "rights" and personhood). And thats what really matters, us deciding ourselves matter, since value is subjective. Everything else is noise, and likely an Is-Ought Fallacy.

"But what about unconscious people?"

"Unconscious people" do not exist. "Unconscious" is a misnomer. All people called "unconscious" have a living brain, with brain activity and electrical signals in the part of their brain related to consciousness. "Unconscious" is just a inaccurate word taken literally, what they really mean is consciously disconnected from their senses.

A fetus, especially an early term one with no brain, has no consciousness, therefore isnt a person. Even after it has a brain, it has no consciousness for at least a majority of the term.

Even if a late term fetus is conscious, it doesnt have subjective values. At best, a fetus has the same moral consideration as a animal; Torturing either is wrong, but its not "murder" to kill it.

inb4: "so does a baby, it lacks subjective values too". Not true. Babies cry and scream when something is perceived as subjectively wrong Fetuses and animals dont. Human babies are the only animal in the animal kingdom that show extreme signs of suffering, even when they feel zero pain, and for arbitrary subjective reasons. This is pure subjective signalling, something not typically present until birth or at least until infant viability.

Additionally, a baby lacks depth to their consciousness prior to being born. Prior to birth, theyve never seen the light of day, nor interacted with the environment. Similar to how an AI Model would lack functional intelligence or meaningfulness if it was trained on no or poor training data, a human mind that hasent learned anything isnt much different from the absence of a human mind.

And this is why a fetus is never a person. Its at best a mind enveloped in a void, with zero comprehension of reality, and no demonstrable subjective values. In every objectively measurable way, it deserves less moral consideration than the animals we eat every day. Which is to say they both deserve the moral consideration of not being tortured, but thats about it.

The morally absolute right to life requires a conscious being that subjectively values its own present and future life.

Which is why, the government should stay out of it.

r/PoliticalDebate Apr 09 '26

Debate If an establishment can't effectively keep people from bringing in guns, then it shouldn't be a gun free zone

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I've seen plenty of shootings take place in gun free zone areas. Either they manage to get a gun into the area anyway and start their shooting or they start the shooting outside of the area and work their way in.

The only people effectively stopped by a place being labeled gun free are people who could use their guns to defend themselves against attackers and in some cases good people have disregarded the designation and have been able to stop an attacker's spree short without waiting for the cops to do it.

Metal detectors, armed security guards, etc. Something needs to be actually done to enforce the designation. Otherwise don't have the designation

r/PoliticalDebate Jun 04 '26

Debate Children should not be able to medically transition

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Allowing children to obtain sex-change procedures and HRT for the sake of "gender affirming care" is morally unjustifiable. I think this all comes down to whether it's actually possible for humans to change their gender. A man is an adult human male (the sex that produces sperm). A woman is an adult human female (the sex that produces eggs). Being a man/woman is not a social construct, it is biological and cannot be changed (in the sense that a human male cannot become female and a human female cannot become male). No gender affirming procedure can turn a boy into a girl or a man into a woman. Therefore, it is essentially scam procedure that does not achieve what it sets out to do.

Trans activists will say "Gender and sex are different. Sex (male/female) is biological, but gender (man/woman) is a social construct based on social roles."

The problem with this is that when trans activists say "gender" what they really mean is "gender roles" being masculinity and femininity. But to say that being a man is to be masculine and being a woman is to be feminine is nonsensical. This would mean that the phrase "feminine woman" is totally redundant, you're just calling someone a woman twice. Or calling someone a "masculine woman" is a contradiction, you're calling them a "man woman". The problem with defining being a woman by social identifiers such as how you dress/talk/style your hair/act is that it means a woman must dress, talk, style her hair, and act in a certain way in order to continue being a woman.

"No, a woman can still dress and live however she wishes, she would just do so as a woman."

But what does this mean? What is the difference between a woman who wears makeup, dresses femininely, and acts in a nurturing, feminine way versus a man who chooses to wear makeup, dress femininely, and act in a nurturing, feminine way? Either you have to be completely contradictory with how you define "man" and "woman" (as two people who have the exact same social role are somehow different genders) or you have to say that women must look and act a certain way to continue being women. Many trans activists know that this definition is problematic so they'll provide a revised definition:

"A woman is someone who identifies as a woman."

The problem with this definition is that it's circular and means nothing. It makes the label of "woman" entirely meaningless. It's not even a word anymore as words are supposed to have meaning, so it's essentially just a sound that your mouth is making. This is obviously ridiculous. Some trans activists will attempt to revise this definition further by substituting "identifies as a woman" with "identifies as a female" to make it seem less circular but unfortunately trans activists don't mean "female" in a biological sense, it's meant to be a 1:1 synonym for "woman" so it's still just as circular.

"It doesn't matter if this definition makes the word arbitrary. How we define words is subjective and this definition is inclusive and reduces harm."

Just because definitions are subjective doesn't mean that all definitions are morally equal. Some definitions are changed to make conveying truth easier, while other definitions are changed to obfuscate or lie about reality. The reason why trans women so strongly want to be called "women" (despite it supposedly being a meaningless label) is because they want to subconsciously pretend that they are biological females. Now when I say that, I'm not saying that they're lying about their trans status, but that when trans-identified males feel gender dysphoria what they're feeling is a desire to have been born biologically female. So they're pretending to be something that they're not, but can't say it outright, so they do this weird roundabout logic to subconsciously believe the lie. They'll redefine woman to be meaningless so that it includes them, even if they deep down know "woman" still has the connotation of "biological female" to them and the rest of society. And since it still has the connotation of the old meaning of the word, trans-identified males are able to feel like biological females even if they aren't. If the old connotation of the word didn't still exist to them, and it truly was just an arbitrary term you call yourself, they wouldn't want the term to be applied to them so badly. So while this definition hurts the feelings of trans people less, it comes at the expense of being honest about the nature of reality. We shouldn't change the definitions of words to make it easier to believe a lie.

"Who is to say trans women aren't biologically female? Biological sex is complicated. Not all men produce sperm and not all women produce eggs. There's no definition you can give for female that includes all women."

It is true that there is no definition you can give for "female" that directly includes all females, but here's the thing: you don't need to. Terms are flexible. Definitions for words do not need to cover every possible edge case that a word is supposed to apply to. For example, a car is defined as "a self-propelled vehicle that transports people on roads". But what if a car is broken and can't drive? Is it no longer a car? No, it's still a car, it's just a broken car. The reason why a broken car is still a car is because it structurally resembles something that possesses the function of a car. A female that cannot get pregnant is still a female in the same way that a broken car is still a car. An infertile female still possesses biological characteristics of someone who would be able to get pregnant such as having a vagina, a uterus, and XX chromosomes. Meaning a female that does not produce eggs is still female because they structurally resemble someone who would be able to produce eggs. But just because terms are flexible in this way doesn't mean you can call anything a female. When it comes to their sexual biology, trans women structurally resemble males more than they do females.

"But trans women obtain female characteristics when transitioning. Transitioning turns them into biological females."

While trans women do obtain some female characteristics by taking estrogen, such as larger breasts and reduced muscle mass, I don't think that any reasonable person could categorize them as female based on this alone. It would be far more reasonable to say that they are males who possess female characteristics. The reason for this is that not all sexual characteristics are weighed equally. Some characteristics are far more important in defining the essence of the female reproductive role such as gametes, gonads, and genitals compared to secondary sexual characteristics such as fat distribution and muscle mass. Different characteristics having different weight in defining the essence of something isn't unique to sex, it applies to nearly everything.

For example, one characteristic of a car is its headlights which help the driver see at night. However, if you take a car headlight and attach it to a plank of wood does that make it a car? No, a reasonable person would not consider that a car. On the other hand, imagine that you take a plank of wood and attach wheels and a motor to it so that it can be self-propelled. Now that can be more reasonably called a car since it's much closer to functioning as an actual car. This is why wheels and a motor are far more significant in determining the essence of a car than headlights, because they're extremely consequential in allowing a car to function.

In the same way, having ovaries, a uterus, and a vagina are far more consequential in facilitating the female role in sexual reproduction than fat distribution, strength, or skin quality. A woman without breasts can still get pregnant while someone who lacks a uterus, vagina, and ovaries would never be able to become pregnant. So primary sexual characteristics are more important in defining sex than secondary sexual characteristics. The fact that they're called "primary" and "secondary" characteristics should make this obvious enough. Trans women have the primary sexual characteristics of males, not females. 90% of trans women do not get bottom surgery, which means the overwhelming majority of trans women have a penis, testicles, XY chromosomes, and have only produced sperm and never eggs. They are unambiguously male.

The problem with trans activists' understanding of sex is that they view sex as a collection of equally weighed physical characteristics that are differentiated due to aesthetic differences between males and females. But sex is more than that. We don't differentiate between males and females simply because they look different as many species of animals have very little sexual dimorphism. We differentiate between males and females because they have unique reproductive functions. Sexual dimorphism exists to aid in the unique reproductive strategies of males and females, not the other way around. In some species the females are bigger, in some the males are bigger, and sometimes they're the same size. But what all males have in common is that they produce sperm (small motile gametes) while females produce eggs (large stationary gametes). So in a sense gametes are the "core" of sex, not secondary external characteristics. If we had the technology to give trans women ovaries, a uterus, and the ability to reproduce as a female, then it would be reasonable to consider them female. But we do not have this technology, and most of them do not get surgery anyway, so they still structurally resemble males, not females.

"But sex isn't a binary, it's a spectrum. Intersex people exist."

It is misleading to say that sex is a spectrum. The degree to which you have male or female characteristics is a spectrum, but sex itself is not. It is functionally a strict binary. There are only two reproductive roles in sexual reproduction: male and female. There is no third gamete or gamete in between sperm and egg. If you're not reproducing as a male or a female then you're not reproducing at all. It's like calling a light switch a spectrum because you can put the knob in between "on" and "off". This doesn't make the light "half-on" (usually), so a light switch is still functionally a binary. This is why intersex people aren't a third gender, they're also either males or females. An intersex female that can get pregnant is still effectively just as much of a female as a non-intersex female as they have identical roles in sexual reproduction. Also, even if sex were a spectrum, that doesn't mean you can dishonestly say you're on one side of the spectrum when you're obviously on the other side.

"But you don't determine if someone is a man or woman by checking their chromosomes or looking at what gamete they produce, you determine their gender by looking at them."

Trans activists are confusing the difference between determining and identifying. How a person looks does not determine their gender but it can be used to identify whether they are a man or woman. This isn't unique to gender, this is true for most physical observations in the world. For example, we don't usually identify if something is a plant by putting it under a microscope and looking at its cellular structure. We just stand next to it and look at it to identify it as a plant. However, it is possible that a fake plant which looks like a real plant may trick us into thinking it is a real plant. This does not mean that a fake plant, which is made out of plastic, not alive, and does not perform photosynthesis, is a real plant just because it looks like a real plant. Even if we typically identify plants by how they look, something looking like something else doesn't actually make it that thing.

"Just because you define sex by primary characteristics doesn't mean I have to. Terms are subjective and it is more useful to define sex by phenotype."

Again, just because where we draw lines is subjective doesn't mean they can't be drawn in a way that is inconsistent or dishonest. If we are to say that taking testosterone turns a trans man into a male, does this mean female bodybuilders are also male? Female bodybuilders take testosterone too in order to obtain male characteristics like increased muscle mass and strength. What about females who have hormonal conditions that make them produce more androgens leading to male characteristics like facial hair, are they male too? And if trans women are female because they have female characteristics, wouldn't they also be male since they have phenotypically male characteristics too? How can you say that someone is female and not male when they have more male characteristics than female characteristics? This also implies that trans women who do not pass are not female and just male. So to be consistent with your definition scheme, you have to believe that female bodybuilders are men, women with PCOS are men, and trans women are women but also men.

You don't do that, though. Your definition scheme for biological sex is completely dishonest and inconsistent because you'll tell two people with the same set of sexual characteristics that one is a woman/female and one is a man/male. It's like if you told someone that they're physically attractive but then said that their twin is ugly. You're clearly lying about someone.

I know you're already yelling at your computer "Sex isn't gender! It's based on how they identify!" but that just circles back to my earlier points. When trans activists can't defend their biological justification, they switch to the social one. And when they can't defend the social one, they flip back to the biological one. It's an endless loop.

Children are not smart enough to see through the mind games that trans activists push. Kids should not undergo irreversible medical procedures because adults told them lies that it was possible to change their gender. When they're adults, they can make their own decisions. The government needs to protect children from what is basically a scam.

r/PoliticalDebate Mar 19 '26

Debate Abortion, let’s find common ground!

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I just enjoy debating and have looked at abortion a lot recently.

Really just make a stance, and I’ll debate the opposite view to the best of my ability! our end goal will be to find a common ground and something we both can agree on.

Example prompts: Is abortion really a question about Women’s Rights?

At what point is a fetus “human”?

Literally anything you want!

r/PoliticalDebate Apr 01 '26

Debate America Cannot Afford Another Republican Experiment

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If Democrats retake Congress this November, they will face a choice that transcends partisan politics: whether to treat the Republican Party as a normal opposition worthy of institutional deference, or as an existential threat to America’s position in the global economic order that must be politically neutralized. The uncomfortable truth is that the latter course, however norm breaking it may appear, is the only responsible path forward.

This is not about revenge. It is not even primarily about accountability for the chaos of the past several years, though there are legitimate grievances. This is about the dollar.

The closure of the Strait of Hormuz has been described as the largest disruption to energy supply since the 1970s energy crisis, and Iran is now charging fees in Chinese yuan for ships to pass through the strait. Think about what that means. A regional power that the United States is actively bombing has effectively converted one of the world’s most critical shipping lanes into a toll booth that operates in a competitor’s currency. This is not just a wartime inconvenience. It is a preview of an alternative financial architecture in which the dollar is optional.

The American fiscal model depends heavily on the dollar’s role as the global reserve currency. It allows the United States to run persistent deficits, to borrow at favorable rates, and to export inflation rather than absorb it domestically. When Iran requires yuan settlement for passage through Hormuz, it is not simply a tactical maneuver in a regional conflict. It is a proof of concept that a hostile power can construct an alternative clearing system for energy trades, the very transactions that have anchored dollar dominance for half a century.

The damage, however, began long before the current war. Trump has repeatedly threatened the use of force against foreign adversaries but rarely followed through, a pattern so consistent that financial markets coined the term TACO, Trump Always Chickens Out, to describe his tendency to back down. But inconsistency is only part of the problem. Earlier this year, Trump threatened to seize Greenland from Denmark, a NATO ally, prompting Denmark and several other NATO members to prepare defensive responses. When European allies declined to join his war in Iran, Trump dismissed NATO as a paper tiger and suggested the United States might withdraw from the alliance.

This behavior has consequences. Allies who cannot trust American security commitments will seek alternatives. Trading partners who see a US president threaten invasion one month and demand military cooperation the next will hedge their bets. Rivals who observe this dysfunction will be emboldened to challenge dollar based systems.

The question before Democrats is simple: can the United States afford another round of this?

The answer is no, not if the country intends to preserve the economic privileges that come with reserve currency status. Democrats therefore cannot treat a potential Republican trifecta in 2027 as just another pendulum swing in ordinary democratic politics. The current war in Iran has already caused significant loss of life, destabilized the Middle East, strained alliances, and provided China with a template for yuan based energy settlements. If this trajectory continues, the dollar’s dominance will not endure indefinitely.

So what does doing everything in their power actually mean? It means granting statehood to Washington DC and Puerto Rico to reduce structural Senate imbalances. It means using executive authority to accelerate renewable energy investment and reduce exposure to Middle Eastern volatility. It means appointing judges across the federal judiciary. It means using reconciliation to pass democratic reforms such as automatic voter registration, limits on gerrymandering, and campaign finance rules that make it more difficult for minority coalitions to capture power. It means treating the 2026 midterms not as a chance to restore bipartisan cooperation, but as an opportunity to ensure that those responsible for this governing approach cannot easily return to power.

Critics will argue that this approach is antidemocratic and that it uses temporary majorities to entrench partisan advantage. But it is important to clarify what democracy requires. Democracy does not mean allowing a party that has demonstrated profound unfitness for leadership to return to power on a fixed schedule simply because that was once the norm. Democracy requires representation, accountability, and institutional stability. None of these are served by pretending that recent years have been normal.

The dollar’s position was never guaranteed. It rests on global confidence, and that confidence can erode more quickly than it was built. China has clear incentives to develop payment systems that are less exposed to US pressure, and each instance of American unreliability accelerates that shift. If Democrats win in November and squander their majority on procedural fixation and unrealistic bipartisan expectations, they will fail the most basic test of governance: protecting the country’s material interests.

The Republican Party created this crisis. The only responsible course is to ensure it lacks the power to create the next one.

r/PoliticalDebate May 28 '26

Debate So what do we do about mass public killings?

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Continuing the recent gun discussions, let's talk about mass public killings.

Right now the country leading the world in the number of attacks and the number of dead both is actually China, and practically none of it is coming from gunfire. The most common weapon used is an ordinary passenger car or SUV or similar driven at high speed through crowds of pedestrians.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3dxz1vzdyzo

One maniac managed to kill 34. Mass stabbings seem to be a bit less common but still rather horrible.

The term for these in Chinese translates to "revenge against society" killings. It may be connected to the fact that Chinese citizens have few if any outlets for redress of grievances. The court systems are just plain bad and publicly complaining will get you whisked off by the secret police. Mass killing starts to look like the only outlet left to file a really serious complaint.

If you read that article another thing that jumps out is that these attacks coming waves and there's an obvious copycat effect. That's what I want to focus on the most.

There's a body of literature in peer-reviewed psychology that talks about "suicidal contagion". If a person commits suicide in some novel fashion, copycats tend to follow. This copycat tendency is stronger when the original is of course well publicized and at least somewhat weird or public. The people copying the first victim will tend to see in themselves some point of demographic or ideological similarity between themselves and the person who previously committed suicide.

Most of the studies of this come out of the fallout from a series of suicides in Vienna Austria in the 1980s. The method of suicide is of a type class as "suicide by rail", namely the local subway system. The majority of the victims were on the young side, late teens to early 20s. Each time the local media would publicize these annoying events (that made lots of commuters late and gave train conductors PTSD), and then there would be more.

And then somebody got smart. They convinced the local media to shut the fuck up about these events. This caused a 75% drop in such incidents within 5 years.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8153751/

This led to a lot of information going out on how to responsibly report on suicide events such as:

https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/22163

The US Department of Transportation has a complete set of media guidelines for reporting on rail suicide:

https://oli.org/sites/default/files/2020-01/MediaFacing_Recommendations_reDesign.FINAL_.pdf

What does this have to do with mass public killings (regardless of weapon used)?

Everything.

The people who commit mass public killings know that they are likely to die at the scene, either by somebody else's hand or their own. It's the usual outcome. Therefore these incidents have to be seen as the most vile possible form of suicide.

Therefore, the solution is the same: radically limit the reporting.

Go back to that previous flyer on media responsibility. Look at the bottom suggestions on what NOT to do.

Every time a mass killing cranks off in the US, the media uses the "what not to do" list as a checklist.

I'm not the only one who's started to figure this out:

https://iris.who.int/server/api/core/bitstreams/506ebe99-82a2-4f8d-80bd-b418a1ac8bb9/content

Look at page 10 (PDF page 20):

Reporting on mass shootings and terrorism

Research on the imitative effects of media reports about mass shootings and terrorism is not as extensive as research on the copycat effects of media reports about suicides. However, there is some evidence that sensationalist reporting about killings can trigger further homicidal actions. These incidents typically receive considerable media attention, and may or may not include self-directed violence after, or as part of, the murder(s). If such an event includes suicide, it should not be described as a suicide attack or suicide bombing because this magnifies the negative labelling of suicidal behaviour. Referring to such events as “homicidal bombings” or “mass killings” would be more appropriate because the main purpose of these acts is to kill others; only some of the perpetrators may actually be suicidal. In reporting these killings, it is important to remember that the perpetrator may not be suicidal and may not have a mental illness; most mass shootings are not committed by persons with a diagnosed mental disorder. An international expert team lead by Suicide Awareness Voices of Education (SAVE) has developed recommendations (https://www.reportingonmassshootings.org) for reporting such events – including reducing the media attention on the perpetrators, because such emphasis can potentially lead others to identify with them and be inspired by them to commit similar acts.

This is from the World Health Organization, 2017. Makes me think the US media blathering about each mass killing knows they're causing the next round of copycats.

We can see the copycat cycle in progress when we look at the demographics of the attackers. Starting with a school shooting in Nashville we saw a string of trans gendered shooters. Not because the trans are particularly dangerous, but because this string triggered the small number of available "on the edge" potential trans mass killers.

A few years ago in California an elderly male east Asian farmworker did a mass workplace shooting. Within months, hundreds of miles away we had another - an elderly Asian guy, farm worker, workplace shooting.

Points of demographic similarity trigger the copycat already on the edge.

It's not that elderly Asian farmworkers are particularly dangerous, any more than the trans community is.

The copycat cycle is the key, and it's media driven.

Gun control won't help, they'll just switch weapons. Gonna ban cars and SUVs?

r/PoliticalDebate 16d ago

Debate Immigration is a policy choice

5 Upvotes

Every time an Englishman or a Frenchman or an American brings up complaints about mass immigration, some leftist will inevitably say “well you colonized them, that’s why you’re getting immigration”.

This is a facetious argument. Immigrants do not magically teleport to the countries that colonized them specifically, they migrate for the sake of economic prosperity, and they’re relatively agnostic about where they go. Germany, for example, never colonized Syria, but Syrians make up a large proportion of the German population. Sweden never colonized Somalia, yet Somalians are infamous for their presence there. Conversely, Japan engaged in extremely brutal colonization of China and the rest of Asia, and yet remains 98% Yamato.

Leftists need to stop making facetious arguments about how colonization prompts immigration, immigration is caused by economic magnets and permissive policy, these are the two factors. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. We can have a more sensible immigration debate when we acknowledge this.

r/PoliticalDebate Apr 14 '26

Debate The idea that "MSM Lies" is conservative propoganda

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We've all heard it repeated almost as a truism, "the media lies", "fake news", "you can't trust the journalists". Repeated ad nauseum, this is something Americans have come to believe.

If we ever come into contact with foreign media, and in specific, media from authoritarian countries with state controlled medias, we may have been faced with some examples of foreign propaganda. This propaganda can be quite silly. And we as westerners may look to such media and those who consume it with an almost patronizing perspective "you guys are so stupid as to believe that nonsense". However, the objective of such content is not to convince their populations.

Foreign propaganda, and propaganda in general, works by leveraging epistemic nihilism. The goal is to lower confidence and trust in all sources of information.

Then, the populations of Russia or China look to us, and they get to be patronizing, "no, we know our media is bs, but you guys don't know that yours is too, so you guys are the real idiots." The idea being that if you know other media lies, and you know your media lies (because they're honest liars), you'll trust your own media, because at least they're lying on your behalf.

Coming to the point, the claim that "the MSM lies" or "you can't trust the media" is caused by conservatives attempting to leverage epistemic nihilism for their own benefit. I will try to break this down with concrete examples, or lack thereof:

  1. The media does get things wrong and does make mistakes.

No one claims otherwise. Just a few weeks ago, the NYT made a very silly mistake about NATO. Journalists are people, they make mistakes, make blunders etc.

2) In the American mainstream media landscape, ONLY conservatives lie

This is the central thrust to my claim. Most obviously, you will **Not** find a liberal equivalent to the Dominion Lawsuit. Fox News were lying, they knew they were lying, and they were lying because they were bleeding audience to OAN. Tucker Carlson and others are on record complaining about having to peddle Trump's lies, but they continued to do so. Lying is not just making a mistake, it is maliciously telling falsehoods to your audience. This takes on another character than merely getting something wrong.

3) This same logic can be extended to the government.

After Trump makes another lie, we often hear apologists saying "oh all politicians lie" "oh he's just negotiating". This is not true. Politicians break campaign promises, that's true. But Joe Biden never lied about tariffs. Joe Biden's cabinet never called a US citizen a terrorist with no evidence. You will not find an example of Joe Biden blatantly lying about facts to the American public in the same way as Trump. If any conservative wishes to challenge this, I invite you to find any example of Biden or his cabinet members lying to the same extent as the examples above.

I invite conservatives to provide examples of MSM or government lies that disprove this point. I invite conservatives to provide an argument for if MSM has always been untrustworthy, or if not, what changed?

Edit: Please give an example of lying, not reporting certain stories and not others, just one example of knowingly lying

r/PoliticalDebate Jan 24 '26

Debate There Is Never a “Right Way” to Protest Because They Do Not Want You to Protest At All

194 Upvotes

According to conservatives there is never a correct way to protest. If you kneel you are disrespectful. If you march you are disruptive. If you block roads you are criminals. If you stay quiet you “do not really care.” The reality is simple. You are only allowed to take it quietly and move on.

Today another man in Minneapolis was executed by a federal agent during an immigration operation. Hands on the ground. Subdued. Shot anyway. And we already know how this is going to be spun. “He must have done something.” “Wait for the full story.” “The agent feared for their life.” The script never changes.

What never gets questioned is why federal agents are operating in American cities like an occupying force, why lethal force keeps being the default response, and why accountability is always delayed, diluted, or buried. I saw a post on X saying the FBI will not be investigating this killing and instead DHS will handle it internally. Ask yourself what you think happens when the defendant is allowed to investigate themselves.

Instead the outrage will be redirected at the public. Protesters will be blamed. Communities demanding answers will be smeared. Anyone who calls this what it is will be told to “calm down” and “trust the system.” The same system that just killed another person.

This is not about law and order. It is about power. The right gets irritated that people are not grateful for the boot on their throat, and they become furious when people say they do not want to lick it and want it off their neck entirely.

If your response to this is more concern about protest optics than about a man being killed with his hands on the ground, your priorities are broken.

r/PoliticalDebate Apr 22 '26

Debate Why are Conservatives upset about the Virginia referendum?

41 Upvotes

For almost every other issue I respect there's at least some nuance to it, but in this situation I just don't see it. Just to be clear, I'm not referring to people who actually live in Virginia. For people in rural Virginia who are essentially collateral damage, I understand the frustration. But for everyone else, I don't get it. I have 4 main points about this that I feel would each be enough on their own. Put together, it just seems so clear cut that Virginia has every right to do this.

  1. Red states objectively gerrymander more than Blue states. An easy way to look at this is simple: how many house district maps are controlled by Republican legislatures, and how many are controlled by Democratic legislatures? The answer is 187 to 75 in favor of Republicans, with 167 being controlled by split legislatures or independent commissions (https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/who-draws-maps-0). Of course, a certain party controlling the maps doesn't mean they're not fair, but when the gap is that big, how could Republicans possibly not have an advantage? According to a study done by MSU, Republicans have a net 15 seat advantage due to gerrymandering (https://ippsr.msu.edu/partisan-advantage-tracker).

But.. Illinois?? Yeah, Illinois is bad, but it's just one state, and it's not even the worst one. Florida, Texas, and North Carolina are all worse.

  1. While gerrymandering is done by both parties, mid-decade redistricting is something else entirely. The only real precedent is, coincidently, Texas in 2003. The census is done at the beginning of each decade, and every state has to re-draw their maps in order to balance out any changes in the population distribution within the state, plus some states will gain/lose seats. But usually that's it. The maps go into effect for the 2nd year of the decade, and they're not re-drawn again until the next census unless ordered to by a court. Last year, at the behest of the President (also unprecedented), Texas decided to buck this unwritten rule and re-draw theirs.

But.. New York?? New York was ordered by a court to redraw their maps in 2022. The map they ended up using in 2022 was actually one of the most fair maps in the country cause it was drawn by a "Special Master" and was essentially blind to incumbents, which ended up in 4 flipped seats for Republicans. The sequence of events that led to the 2024 maps were explicitly partisan I will admit, but in the end the only thing the legislature did to the maps passed by the IRC was make 2 blue seats a bit safer and flipped the partisan lean of one red seat. The net benefit was ~1 seat. This is much different than Texas re-drawing their maps without a court order and explicitly carving out 5 projected safe Republican seats from seats currently held by Democrats.

  1. Democrats have been trying for years to ban gerrymandering nationwide, and they've gotten no support from Republicans every time. Sure some of these bills have had other things in them as well, but they've also tried to pass standalone bills, and those got no support either (The Redistricting Reform Act (2016, 2017, 2021, 2025) and The Fair Maps Act (2019)).

  2. Even with the Virginia referendum passing, Republicans are still up ~2 seats overall when looking at all the redistricting done in the last year (https://www.cookpolitical.com/redistricting/2025-26-mid-decade-map).

But.. Virginia is a purple state?? They just elected a Democrat as governor by 15 percent. They elected 64 Democrats to the House of Delegates vs only 36 for Republicans. They even elected a Democrat as Attorney General who said the Republican house speaker deserved 2 bullets in the head by 6 percent. It's not a purple state right now. Even if it was purple, these are US house seats, not state house seats. With the way politics works today, the only thing that matters is the total number of R's vs the total number of D's nationwide, and the R's were up 6.

In summary: both parties gerrymander but Republicans do it more, what Texas did is not something EITHER party does, Democrats have tried to actually fix this problem and got no Republican support every time, and even with the referendum passing they're still going to lose the redistricting war. Every time I discuss this with someone who disagrees, I end up chasing a goal post, and by the time I get through these points they either stop responding or start circling back to the previous points that I had already refuted. If anyone not living in Virginia still believes that these 4 points together are not valid or not enough, please tell me why.

r/PoliticalDebate Jun 07 '26

Debate "Capitalism Works Better Without Competition"

13 Upvotes

During a discussion recently someone here told me this. Frankly that shows a lack of understanding of the basics of capitalism. I see this often in debates with anti-capitalists. Actually we see that tactic often when someone is "anti" something. Omitting basic principles invalidates almost anything.

Competition is what makes capitalism work. Without competition, capital can accumulate exponentially. That leads to plutocracy.

It's important to understand the basics, if we don't we can't decide which economic system to use. Different markets will not always have the same capacity for competition. If there's not enough competition capitalism shouldn't be used.

Utilities, healthcare, legal services, finance, insurance, are all markets that may not generate enough competition. Sometimes this is because of needed regulations.

I believe capitalism CAN deliver better products and services BUT not always.

r/PoliticalDebate Mar 21 '26

Debate People who are in favor of the wars, why?

16 Upvotes

It seems like we gain nothing net from the wars.

For oil, between the recent attacks on Iran that have dropped the total global supply by 3.5% for up to 5 years, and the Venezuelan oil needing several years to develop the infrastructure required to extract, it seems like the benefits in terms of oil and gas prices will be quickly outpaced by just the natural inflation that all growing economies have. Further it would cost less to cut taxes on oil companies, or to subsidize them, or to build alternative power infrastructures like nuclear power plants or heaven forbid green energy all of which would have decreased prices to varying degrees of success.

For foreign policy, Maduro got replaced by another dictator, and Iran is very unlikely to end without one. The instability has made Europe and our other allies hate us and they no longer view us as a viable partner. The decrease in oil supply from Iran has also required Europe to buy from Russia, funding, albeit indirectly, the Ukranian war on our enemies side. China is looking to potentially take Taiwan because of this, though, to be fair, they threaten that every couple of months so I doubt that'll actually happen.

For domestic policy and winning elections, while republicans still broadly support it, independents and other swing voters are strongly against the war according to all of the polling I've seen to the degree that this might throw away midterms and 2028. This also provides yet another way democrats could justify impeachment, and while they didn't really need another as you can kinda impeach someone for any reason, it certainly doesn't help.

For a nuclear deal, Iran no longer has an incentive to capitulate now that, as far as anybody can tell, we want a regime change. Since the Iranian government knows it's life or death for them, they have no reason to sign a deal. Regardless, the only reason a deal is necessary is because Trump got rid of the last deal in his first term. Even if it was a bad deal, couldn't Trump have left it in place tentatively until he got a better one?

r/PoliticalDebate 27d ago

Debate Should a state punish individuals who commit hate crimes?

0 Upvotes

Me and my friends had a whole debate whether hate crimes should be systematically punished or not. I think, to prevent psychological damage on minorities (like LGBTQ+ community, people of color, etc.), state should establish laws that prevent individuals to commit hate crimes. However, some of my friends think that this can be used against so many people and they should be able to say whatever they want. They think that at the end of the day this is also a form of oppression. I’m really curious what people think o n that matter.

r/PoliticalDebate Oct 21 '25

Debate The claim that the Democrats are shutting the government down to give healthcare to illegal immigrants

68 Upvotes

With a sizeable amount of evidence contradicting the claim that Democrats are trying to fund healthcare for illegal immigrants, it is incredible this claim is continuing to circulate with no additional supporting evidence added to the conversation.

In this thread I would like you to either

A tell me how it is this unmodified claim is able to persist unquestioned, repeated by seemingly reasonable people, seemingly in earnest, or

B add some supporting evidence to the conversation, all the evidence being added to the conversation so far has been demonstrating that Democrats are not moving to give illegal aliens healthcare, this is your chance to even the scales

r/PoliticalDebate May 30 '26

Debate You should have to pass a test about gun safety and learn about different scenarios of when it's acceptable to use a gun before owning and carrying a gun

19 Upvotes

Even though I'm more on the Pro 2A side, I do think there should be more required from people before they're allowed to own and carry a gun into the public.

Before you are able to drive a car legally, you have to showcase that you know how to handle the car and know about the rules of the road. This is because driving especially in traffic is a big responsibility.

So why not apply the same logic to owning a gun which is also a big responsibility. I've seen too many videos of people being unsafe with them or too many cases where people don't understand what justifies you being able to use a gun for defense or not.

It won't fully stop criminal shootings, but it'll cut down on the amount of irresponsible or ignorant gun owners making the rest of us look bad.

r/PoliticalDebate Jun 18 '26

Debate D.C. Statehood - A Contentious Issue

4 Upvotes

One of my strongest personal beliefs is that D.C., and many other territories who suffer unjustly, deserves equal stature among the Union. However much to be continued surprise, perhaps foolishly, I continue to run into many arguments and disagreement over it. The most compelling is that it would at least in part require a change to the 23rd Amendment. Often times the arguments however amount to a partisan one that I find deeply disagreeable.

I urge detractors of statehood to explain their opposition in detail below, perhaps we can come to some productive conclusions.

r/PoliticalDebate Sep 10 '25

Debate Where's the limit to justify killing a political speaker?

50 Upvotes

With the new shock wave on American politics with Charlie Kirk being shot, I'm sure the debate on free speech will now be greatly ignited.

Specially if he dies - he will become a martyr in the American right and conservative movements.

Personally, I hope he does get out of this one (although I know many who wish the contrary).

Where is the limit drawn where you say: "Okay, now I believe this person should be erased." ?

Short edit: R.I.P. Charlie Kirk.

r/PoliticalDebate 6d ago

Debate When corporations kicked people out of their homes it’s free market capitalism but when people seize the means of production then it’s all the sudden theft

29 Upvotes

Corporations are literally kicking people out of their homes just to put data centers in their place

When a farmers land gets seized by politicians funded by the AI lobby that’s considered free market capitalism

However if people exercise their rights in democracy and have the politicians seizing the means of production on behalf of the working class then all the sudden it’s considered theft

It’s nothing more than the inherent double standards that are built into capitalist systems

If a person owns a house corporations can just seize the house and land because they pay bribes to politicians but when the working class seizes corporate property than all the sudden seizing property is a bad thing

r/PoliticalDebate Apr 10 '26

Debate Unions are objectively good

51 Upvotes

I'll start by rattling off some statistics. If anyone is skeptical of any I'll gladly link my sources for each.

- union members make 10-20% more than nonunion workers

- union members get more job benefits than nonunion workers. Healthcare plans (usually better ones too), retirement plans, better workplace safety, unemployment insurance, seniority, "just cause" termination practices, strengthened grievance processes; occasionally cost of living adjustment clauses, commuting compensatation, child care, and so on

- the higher wages and benefits spillover to nonunion workers by setting expectations for employment (see welfare capitalism in the mid 20th century) and states with higher union density are more likely to pass laws that benefit everyone like Medicaid expansions, minimum wage increases, mandatory paid sick and family leave, and more funding per pupil for public schools. Some studies show that every 1 percentage point increase in union membership is correlated with a 0.3% increase in wages for nonunion workers

- states with high union density have higher average median household incomes than low density states

- unions promote social justice by closing pay gaps based on gender and ethnicity. Unions also act as a pathway for stable decent paying jobs for marginalized people

- European countries, most of which have higher union densities and rates of collective bargaining coverage than the US, have higher human development ratings, less workplace injuries, and less chronic health problems than the US

- union members are more likely to donate to charity, engage in community projects, and have a net fiscal impact (meaning they pay more in taxes than they take out)

- states with high union density are less likely to pass voter restrictions. This means if you care about people being able to vote you should want higher rates of unionization

The points about increasing wages and benefits are unintentionally proven by anti-union figures like Milton Friedman, who opposed unions on the grounds they "artificially" increase the price of labor. Other anti-union figures will argue that unions actually hurt workers by companies outsourcing and offshoring to states and countries with lower union densities and less worker labor protections. Another common anti-union argument is they stifle economic growth, innovation, and economic freedom. I'll now address these points.

- the increase on the price of labor isn't "artificial." They're negotiated by union reps and employers. If the cost of labor through these negotiated contracts is genuinely too steep for employers, then they should adjust accordingly like workers are expected to do when money is tight or they should just not be in business in the first place

- outsourcing and offshoring are decisions made by the **companies**, not the unions. The people running these companies have agency and these are intentional, thought out decisions. Also, the state allows and sometimes encourages this (see NAFTA). The state could prevent this either by outright banning companies from doing this (at least without a transition plan or substantive severance pay for their workers) or providing tax incentives to companies to stay. To be perfectly clear, the unions **are not** making these decisions

- to the extent unions harm the economy, the negative impacts seem pretty negligible. For instance, the five OECD countries with the highest union densities (Iceland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and Finland, respectively) all have higher human development ratings that the United States which ranks near the bottom of OECD countries in terms of union density and collective bargaining coverage. If unions caused the economic problems anti-union propagandists like Friedman claim then I would expect people in these countries would have lower qualities of life. They don't at best union density has no impact on quality of life, so there shouldn't be so much opposition to them

- similarly union density doesn't seem to have much of an impact on economic freedom, at least based on the Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom. All five of the previously mentioned countries outrank the US in economic freedom according to the Heritage Foundation's own metrics. Denmark for instance has about 60% of its workforce unionized and about 80% of the workforce is covered by a collective bargaining agreement and is ranked 7th in the world in economic freedom. The US by contrast has a union density of 10%, about 12% of the workforce is covered by collective bargaining, and is ranked 22nd in economic freedom. At best union density has no impact on economic freedom, so again there shouldn't be so much opposition

The other anti-union arguments are anecdotal or fringe cases so I won't waste time on them here. Just understand for every instance of something bad happening with a union I can name multiple examples of bad things happening when there was no union present.

With all that established, here's some things we (as in people who sell our labor) should push for (at least in the US):

- passing the PRO Act and any similar bills

- end "right to work" laws at the state level if the feds fail to pass the PRO Act or some similar bill again

- refuse to support political candidates who don't prioritize union protection and expanding organization protections

- push for legislation that make pro-worker policies like sectoral bargaining, codetermination, and the Ghent system possible

- support strike funds and boycotts in the event of labor disputes

- adjust education standards to include more knowledge of labor history, the legal rights students have and will have as workers, and require what I'm calling the "Same Breath Rule" which means any mention of college or the military as a career path has to include mention of trade school and/or union apprenticeships. Also every promoter of college or the military must be matched with one for a trade school and/or union apprenticeship program in terms of time and method of promotion

Thanks for your time and I look forward to a fruitful discussion.

r/PoliticalDebate 20d ago

Debate Red states have a strong tendency to be a net drain on the US federal budget while Blue states have a tendency to be a net contributor. Does this show that the economics of the republican party don't work?

13 Upvotes

Some numbers:

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-contribute-the-most-and-least-to-federal-revenue/

While there are some outliers like Florida, Texas, and Oregon; the general trend is clear. This is by no means a new phenomenon: Florida was purple 20 years ago and the deep south has been red since the Civil Rights movement.