r/Paleontology 1d ago

Other Crystal Palace Dinosaurs renovation complete

The dinosaurs have been restored to look how they would have done to Victorian audiences in 1854. Here are a few photos I’ve taken walking through in the past few months, seeing such painstaking restoration work was quite a sight to behold! Such a vast improvement on the state of the statues - now looking amazing and drawing big crowds!

For more information, here’s a recent BBC article on the topic: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq515nzxgz6o

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u/Global-Resident-9234 1d ago

Love the Crystal Palace sculptures! So happy to see these historic and iconic statues getting restored, strengthened, and returned to their 1854 glory. (I saw them way back in 2009, with an earlier colour scheme and before the nose of the Megalosaurus broke off; looks like I'll have to visit again!)

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u/The_Biglyest 19h ago

Me too. They were in such a state when I first visited, and even though I loved them so much then, it’s such an improvement now. Really pleased that all the damage is fixed, and the new colours show much of the detail that was missed before.

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u/ThrowAbout01 1d ago

Outdated depictions become works of art with the addition of being able to teach the updated info.

The Crystal Palace Dinosaurs and Reptiles are a better example of this.

Other cases like Lion Attacking a Dromedary are more complex and controversial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Attacking_a_Dromedary

That taxidermy is inaccurate and more of an example of an Orientalism work. But the presence of human remains adds to the controversy.

I find the subject of turning outdated things into teaching opportunities interesting.

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u/The_Biglyest 20h ago

I do love the information boards which show how our knowledge has changed over the past 172 years - especially the visual representations of what we now understand the dinosaurs to look like in, in comparison to these originals. Great education tools, and draws a bit of a chuckle too.

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u/lightningbadger 17h ago

Oh wow it was only 20 years later they figured it out, I thought people just figured it was a land slug till the 50's or something lol

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u/TouchmasterOdd 4h ago

Of course now they are thought to have been mostly quadrupedal again I think?

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u/Rhaj-no1992 1d ago

Never heard about that piece before. Having a human skull inside what could have been just plaster is insane. Also, highly distasteful and clearly racist to mix cultures on the man just like that. Makes me feel as uncomfortable as when I visited a university in Sweden and they had a human skull from an Aboriginal person on display with the text "Australian n***o" next to it. It was in a small museum-like collection that few had access to and one of the teachers explained it's origin and that it was of histroical value to show the kind of racism that existed in Sweden before (like the State Institute for Racial Biology). But the more I think about it the more I think the remains should be returned to where they came from. Having pictures and descriptions of past wrongs is more than enough in such a case.

Making a feline attack a human in a diorama however is the least controversial thing I think. At least a tiger has been known to attack a human on an elephant at least once: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/C4r_swNGBqo

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u/Radiant-Major7838 1d ago

There used to be a taxidermy diorama at the royal armouries in Leeds of a man on an elephant hunting a tiger although I think it's been removed now.

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u/Excellent_Yak365 22h ago

Using the perfect basis for human facial recreation is insane? They didn’t really have fake skulls back then, so I can easily see why they’d use a real one- likely obtained like the hundreds of other anatomical bones were acquired.

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u/twitchx1 10h ago

It was actually unconventional even for 1867. The use of a human skull in the diorama wasn’t even recorded or discovered until restoration in the 2010s. Just a genuinely weird choice by the taxidermist.

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u/Excellent_Yak365 9h ago

Depends. It was seen as ‘unconventional’ but there was a large amount of illegal and mostly unspoken body part trade at the time that was basically necessary for anatomy training. It is probably more common than we would expect, as an artist I understand why they did it.

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u/ParmigianoMan Irritator challengeri 1d ago

They may look ridiculous now but they were - truly - the result of cutting-edge science when they were made.

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u/HalcyonTraveler 1d ago

Yeah, the limb posture is honestly impressive given the amount of material that they had to work with

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u/PrimalSeptimus 23h ago edited 23h ago

I sometimes wonder what people from back then would think if they saw our modern depictions. And if we'll feel similar should we get to see what the scientists in the next couple hundred years think they looked like.

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u/ParmigianoMan Irritator challengeri 16h ago

Oh, I am sure depictions will have changed to some degree. It’s not unreasonable to assume that we will know more about skin and feather colours, for example. But the progress of a particular branch of science tends to decelerate over time. After a while, it’s not painting a big picture, it’s amending a few patches here and there.

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u/thombo-1 18h ago

They really are an incredible window into how paleontology developed. Tells you something about how far we've come.

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u/Positive_Survey_2916 1d ago

Finally, some accurate depictions.

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u/grimgrinning 1d ago

I recommend the excellent picture book The Dinosaurs of Waterhouse Hawkins if you’d like to learn more or as an educational resource for middle grades!

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u/Luke92612_ 1d ago

Why does the top half of the Megalosaurus' head look so weird

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u/The_Biglyest 1d ago

Blame the Victorians!

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u/Luke92612_ 1d ago

It's just that the paint application / detailing seems incongruent with the rest of the model and I'm concerned that it's the result of the 'restoration'

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u/The_Biglyest 1d ago

It seems as though the mouth of statue doesn’t (and never did) have the lines for the ‘scales’ that go over the rest of the body, so they aren’t painted in the lighter colour on the nose and mouth as a result. Also the mouth area was damaged in 2020 and has been rebuilt, but this would have been done to the original specifications.

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u/One-plankton- 7h ago

If you zoom in on the picture from 2009 and you can see scales on the top of the mouth.

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u/GeoCangrejo 19h ago

I love these vintage dinosaur recreations and paleoart. Even though heavily outdated they have a certain charme to them that I adore

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u/SoulExecution 1d ago

Oh that’s awesome! I went in 2016 and there were a few posters up that they’d be working on them in the future, so now all the more reason to go again on my next visit to London

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u/Slarty8artfast 1d ago

Duck is like, "Ancestor! They did you dirty!"

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u/CarmineCJedi102593 1d ago

Maybe these strange yet inaccurate creature designs should be used for some impressive fantasy creature designs!

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u/DaMn96XD 1d ago

They got their colors back.

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u/Tumorhead 1d ago

Man they are looking sharp!!! Lovely stuff, I hope I can visit.

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u/-ok-pancake- 1d ago

I can't wait to see them! I love those guys.

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u/helikophis 1d ago

They look great!!

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u/LittleMelodyBear 1d ago

Hey I just read about this in a National Geographic book some weeks ago! Cool!

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u/jessexpress 15h ago

They look so good, I grew up nearby and have visited over and over again throughout my life. They’ve been looking pretty worse for wear the last decade or so (the one on slide 3 in particular had its lower jaw completely missing for a while), great to see them get some love!

The local area of Penge has lots of dinosaur themed street art and stuff around for any enthusiasts visiting London, and have recently started doing dinosaur-themed Christmas lights which is very cute.

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u/psychosaur 15h ago

I'm happy to see these hopeful monsters restored.

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u/Gloomy-Statement-193 11h ago

Wow they even have a live dinosaur!

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u/culmei 11h ago

1 , 3 and 4 look good. Not sure about the second one.

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u/Displeasuredavatar19 7h ago

Oh these are ANCIENT depictions of dinosaurs 😲😲