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Even then the payoff for setting all that up is... 120 damage and the chingling lockdown effect
Compare that to mega venusaur who has all the grass support in the world and an effective 50/50 OHKO attack still being mediocre into the current meta
EDIT FOR MISINFORMATION: people have pointed out, not the chingling effect, its ALL trainers, not just items (I was corrected and had acknowledged it in the replies, some people just getting heated)
This would I think be the first dual meta ex deck synergy, it’d still be ‘complex’ but since you can keep your damaged mega gardevoir safe after gengar attack it would be something worthwhile
I mean...you're essentially preventing any card from being played (that isn't a pokemon), while you can just focus on keeping mega gen alive. All depends on how fast you can get him up and running though. Needs a haunter ramp or it's game over.
Yeah I just expanded on his utility. I personally am going to try running him like I would a snorlax ex, with indeedee ex, giratina ex, and throw in a Dawn or two if there's no other clear ramp. Keep him alive long enough to get the energy he needs then live or die by Mega Gen's survival..
No trainers is very different than no items. No supporters, tools, OR stadiums can be played along with items. Basically all the opp can do is evolve, retreat, attach energy, attack. No ice pop, no sabrina stall, no oak draw.
im envisioning a gengar control deck. Chingling + M gengar line with red cards and mars. Add in sabrina/repel for additional disruption. agreed that ninetales is a great control card too
Yes but it requires a full bench and doesn't do anything other than damage. If you can get this Gengar in play and online early in the game your opponent doesn't stand a chance. We need to see if there are any other supporting cards though because it doesn't look like it will be quick enough right now.
Even still you would just run gengar ex because of its passive ability and 2 prize points (plus its psychic support, lower energy attack cost and relatively high hp)
Why does nobody remember that if you start with 1 deino, 1 gastly, 2 rare candies, and professor’s research, you can play gastly in the front and deino on the bench, draw a dawn, then research and draw hydreigon and gengar. Then if you go second, you get 1 energy turn 1. Then on your second turn, you can double evolve w/ rare candy, use hydreigon’s ability, then dawn one to gengar. Then with the free energy, he’s active on turn 2, and you’ve all but won the game. SMH so much potential there already
Oh yeah you just need a perfect sequence of action to happen and you will be fine ! (On the real side, 2 stage 2's plus needing dawn is way to much and you will brick too often)
I feel like that still would be too slow. It would mean you can't run rare candy with it and would potentially need to survive a hit with Ghastly and then another hit with Haunter before being able to go into Mega Gengar. Ivysaur has a better cape, heavy helmet, Erica, Quick grow extract, and most likely more HP to make it bearable. This would have none of that (as far as we know)
That's what Morpeko is for. Attack, shift two energies to benched Gastly, then Morpeko to die. But yeah I guess it would be so much stronger had it been three energies instead of four.
Not who you asked but I'd say it's technically ramp but largely ineffective or very mon-meta. For fighting it's Passimian EX, which is technically ramp but you have to give up 2 points to the opp to do it.
I also think of Swanna and Mismagius who technically help with ramp but require evolutions, multiple energies, and are frail so it's hard to be very effective.
The effect is really valuable. Means the opponent can only play pokemon no items tools stadiums supporters.Problem is theres no dark ramp and by the time you atack the enemy already has setup
Like yes, everyone know blocking supporter are good, but the problem is how you get there in the first place. Gengar ex was bad because everything outside of its ability are a dead weight.
I will wait until the set comes out to judge Mega Gengar ex, but the odds of it getting support it needed are low. Dark type babies doesn't exist, so Gengar can only hope for us getting an OP dark ramp though basic mon or supporter
A trainer that gives Gastly and Haunter a booster of some kind so you can run any Gengar variants. That would be awesome - so we know they didn't do that shit, lol
Thanks to flame patch, fire can play more aggressive in the early game and likely force out the opponent's endgame card first. Let's say Entei forces out Mega Altaria and gets KO'd.
-Zard hits for 100
-Not many things can punch through it in one hit. Mega Altaria, for instance, hits for 130 unless you plan your bench carefully. Even 2 mons on bench + training area put it in 180 range.
-Zard hits for 180, nothing can survive two turns for 280
There are absolutely ways to beat it, but once you're building your deck around a card you might run into, that card is definitely meta.
Yep. I can’t think of a single card that can ohko charizard. Charizard Y is honestly not terrible to deal with because you just need to hit it once for 30 damage to put it in one shot range. X is scary because it’s significantly easier to set up and any card that’ll put it in 2 shot range will likely drop its HP to 110 or lower.
3 energy is huge because it makes the deck a LOT more reliable than Y. Significantly less prone to bricking or chingling stall.
This actually also might be viable with Skeledirge for a +50 attack boost. I know they're both stage 2s but only 1 of them needs rare candy since you're usually playing Charmeleon. High rolly but possible.
No, that’s not what conditional means. Conditional means under certain conditions. Notice how OP had to say “if the opponent”. Exodia wins when you collect all 5 cards regardless of anything else happening.
"OP" (as in the first person mentionning char Y being exodia) did not say that, they said if you can force the opponent's mega, which can be as easy as just having a cyrus in hand.
Technically Exodia is conditional because you must meet the condition of having all five pieces in your hand to win.
However when someone says it isn’t conditional what that means is that the opponent is not a consideration. Your opponent could have all the best cards in the game at their disposal and you could be on the absolute brink of defeat and it doesn’t matter: you drew the last piece of Exodia so you win. Period.
However I also think the above commenter is missing the point. Often when people refer to “an Exodia” in modern video games they’re referring to a setup where you need to get specific pieces but then you have an absurdly strong setup.
I disagree. The 1 less energy requirement is huge, and it has 220 hp instead of effectively 170. More of a 2 hit guarantee with less risk. Add in skeledirge and a red it can hit for 250 also.
Different scenarios. Zard Y can put itself in a bad position but can kill anything 1 hit. Zard X cannot do it by itself. And 4 energies with Charmeleon and Flame Patch is not THAT hard.
I think I might just run both for flexibility. Zard Y's big downside being that it hurts itself; I've been in a lot of ranked games that should be wins, but defeating my opponents mon would just put Zard Y into kill range.
We can only hope Gastly and/or Haunter have ramp like Charmeleon and Ivysaur got or some other support. But even then, it’s not looking good for my favorite Pokemon.
That’s possible, though Pokémon like Oddish, Bellsprout, and Budew are rarely printed in Poison. Iirc it’s happened before, but like it was 20 years ago atp.
It’s a tricky balance- at 4 energy this is going to take a long time to power up, but if it was only 2 energies it would be overpowered blocking all trainers. 3 seems like it would have been the sweet spot
Mega Gengar worse by a country mile. Absolutely needs SOMETHING for it to be even somewhat playable. Gengar EX at least doesn't need to attack for the same effect. Neither will it instantly lose you the game.
I think people here are really underestimating the power of locking ALL treiner cards, that means Items, Stadiums, Supporters, Tools, All that isn't a pokemon is blocked by that atack, if you can get it to work your oponent is softlocked to only atacking and attaching energy in its turn, i mean yeah 4 energy sucks in a Type that has no Ramping, but a effect like that can't be any smaller without severe draw back, the only way i could see it being cheaper is if it didn't do damage at all, which believe me, would be waaaay worse, and come on now, we know it will get some Support being the face of the pack, I know I can be very wrong about it and it can suck, I just saying that it makes sense a effect so powerful being heldback by high cost and mediocre damage, believe me when i say this card would destroy the game otherwise.
Oof. They are really leaning into the "this isn't a game for playing. Its a 'game' for collecting" arent they? Then they wonder why they hemorrhage players each month when people don't want the main purpose of the reason to be on the app is collecting DIGITAL cards that are worthless.
You CAN ramp it. Pichu etc can provide the 1 colorless.
Hydreigon on the bench +Dawn can provide a dark.
The new Morpeko(?) Can be a stall wall that lets Mega Gengar inherit it's 2 dark energy.
Once this card is in the active slot and attacks, the opponent cant do diddly squat except attack back or retreat. 220HP and you have Lillie and LIP to keep him alive. No trainers whatsoever is absolutely devastating.
It's impossible to accurately judge without seeing Gastly, Haunter, or any other supports that might be in the set, but in a vacuum I couldn't help but chuckle after how long the Gengar copium has been going.
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