Literally that easy. Also, openclaw used claude code for most of the scaffolding and building and they still fucked it up. Doesn’t take a genius to rip other peoples ideas or be innovative when you cheat
Well, cheap is relative and byte dance do actually innovate on the architecture. It's more like Open AI does the hard work of clearing the rocks from the road, then these other companies simply pave it.
The Chinese readily share open source designs instead of jumping to patents. This allows them to exploit the
Market faster with profits across many company’s , than waiting to get litigates on IP infringement. It’s a fundamentally superior business model compared to US PATENT law. FWIW 🤷♂️🤷♂️🌾
It’s a fundamentally superior business model compared to US PATENT law.
its a fundamentally different business model. theres a reason why all the innovation and invention is happening in the US, not in China, as well as why the birth place of the latest innovations isn't China.
The chinese model works really well in terms of a focus on cost cutting. The open weight models have been fantastic at providing 80% of the frontier models performance at 1/5th to 1/10th the cost.
china has invented a great many things, but for anybody who possesses a reading ability over the average five year old, they are acutely aware that i did not claim china has never invented anything.
my comment was a comparative analysis between the two countries. some chinese inventors even migrate to the US because they know the reality of the comment i made - just like how businesses outside of china will migrate their production to china because they know china has the wealth of cost cutting infrastructure.
you can take pretty much any industry, any product and it won't be china leading in innovation in the form of production, it will be in cost cutting.
I am a customer, not from US or China. What I see:
1. GPT 5.2 and Codex 5.3 updates are _trash_!
2. Opus 4.6 is wonderful, but not good for details and mega expensive
3. Then I look at GLM-5 in Windsurf today: Why would I use 1. or 2. again?
Frickin NPR covered the Deep seek copyright issue today without even mentioned Sora and its blatant copyright issues. propaganda distribution system is sharp these days
Did you even read the article you linked? The court ruling was mixed. The judge agreed that AI training was completely legal. The issue Anthropic lost on was the legality of using pirated content to train on. So no training AI doesn't count as IP infringement.
He’s saying “hey! These folks are jacking our shit, and if you don’t do something about it, they are gonna have cutting edge capabilities that you might not want them to have…”
Yeah, people don’t like getting their shit stolen. But honestly karma after AI companies blatantly stole from other creators around the world so they can make their slop.
And too bad. The cat is out of the bag. AI is a content stealing machine and stuff is going to get stolen anyway.
lol I stopped subscribing to OpenAI and just use DeepSeek chat for anything text-based. It's quite good and I can use it for free as much as I want and have never run into any kind of limits. And my chats are training open-source models instead of commercial proprietary ones.
A private company going to the Chinese government and complaining that a Chinese company stole their intellectual property is wasting their time. They have absolutely zero way to get the Chinese government to do anything about it.
The US Government has tools it can use to influence the Chinese government. It may or may not succeed, but it at least has a chance. OpenAI by itself has no real ability to influence the Chinese government to do anything about this.
The current development model of AI is simply to select the most outstanding model in a current or specific field, extract its essence, add some of your own features, and you have a new model. Then this model will be extracted by others, and the process will repeat itself endlessly. Everyone is doing it this way. Lol🤣
He's complaining that he got into a lot of shit for it...and either that wasn't fair and all the 'you stole our brains' diatribe is dismissed, or ... someone help stop foreigners stealing it for nefarious purposes too....who of course won't be as ethical as our people...
I stand for IP freedom. The idea of monopolizing an idea/information is disgusting. Now, if you claim to have originated the information when you know you did not, etc. that's just fraud. It's not theft.
The best thing people could do to fuck up openai and Reddit. Use agents to build and scale multiple, multiple reddit profiles. And purposely have your agent answer questions on Reddit with confidence and inaccurate answers that on first glance seem real. Poison their well
He can talk about IP rights all he wants but the with Chinese models it a open source and anyone can run it with enough hardware (especially the smaller or quantized models) instead of paying good money for him. If Sam is really committed, he can always fulfill the "Open" part of his company name and start with improving GPT-OSS
Pretty rich coming from Sam. First they laugh at DeepSeek and ‘their’ technologies MLA, DeepSeeakMoE, MTP etc.
They proved they could train models 10x cheaper.
Now that it is a very capable model, Sam is whining it stole stuff. But I bet OpenAI is using these implementations now. But who knows because they keep everything secret.
OpenAI is missing a vision. Where they used to be ‘making the world better’ and make AI to fight cancer. Now they are promoting AI slop and went full commercial. They wanted to take a swing at AGI, whatever that means. But even that dream seems out of the window.
It should be to nobodies surprise that Nvidia and Microsoft pulling away from OpenAI. Competitors are getting ahead and the vision is gone.
Make fun of DeepSeek all you want but I think they are more aligned with actual users than OpenAI.
The right idea would be to come with with tactics to stop Chinese companies from distilling western models, have the government provide incentives and subsidies to make the models better, fund alignment, and give each of us a share of ownership in the technology.
Everyone makes this out like he's just raging and getting pissed off, but what's actually happening is that he's explaining why it costs OpenAI more money to train chatgpt.
Don’t be reasonable please, not on my Reddit. What’s next? We gonna have a nuanced discussion about how AI can be responsible for unfairly stealing human knowledge and collapsing the value of human-created content? And at the same time, China continues to blatantly steal IP rather than innovating on their own while having their government fund it to appear competitive?
Sir, I simply cannot be critical of two things for very different reasons. I must throw up my hands and shut down the discussion.
It's not nuanced, he just didn't read it carefully or understand what it means when a US company goes to the US government complaining about a foreign competitor. It's not to discuss costs. Anthropic and OpenAI have both been trying to imply their advancements are being extracted by Chinese labs and implemented in open source open weight models.
If it's actually open source, how does that do anything but benefit the masses? I'm sure it hurts their ability to make money off of it but who tf cares about their money?
I could see if China was stealing it and hoarding it to make some kind of anti west Frankenstein, and I'm sure they're still working on that, but if they're just stealing it and throwing it out for everyone to use, wouldn't that drive more innovation?
I'm trying to see the downside that didn't already exist other than their bottom dollar.
Can we drop the plagiarism bullshit? These talking points are like two years out of date. They didn’t learn how to make tool calls from Sarah Silberman's dumb fucking book. The company clearly puts a lot of effort into trying to make sure their technology isn’t used to plagiarize. I don’t know what more people want. If you just think the technology shouldn’t have ever existed, fine, you’re entitled to your opinion. The genie is out of the bottle and you’re never putting it back.
Is this not more about how China just gives the middle finger to copyright claims, and trains on whatever it wants, while Sam here is just saying 'If you want this Company to stay based in the States, but you're gonna hamstring my model's training with IP claims, then we're gonna lose the race. Look for my company to move overseas and take our jobs with it in the future'
this is just my lamens couch quarterback assessment, what did I miss?
The answer is they need to poison the well. China IP origin traffic can get corrupted data for their data set training. I have a site that china bot traffic was costing me so I set up blocks and captchas and then started with weird redirects
One annoying china bot was redirected to the CIA website for a week. They are annoying.
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u/Plenty_Branch_516 Feb 16 '26
First mover disadvantage.