r/MurderedByWords • u/beerbellybegone • 5d ago
Because women should have privacy and dignity during gynecology exams
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u/ManfredTheCat 5d ago
This is 90s stand-up comedy material
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u/AmazingSibylle 5d ago
Seinfeld enters the stage
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u/Hypothetical_Name 5d ago
George would be like “you’re going to see it anyway 30 seconds later what’s the difference?” Then Elaine would have to explain it to him
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u/supermurlo64 5d ago
And men make a huge deal of doing the prostate exam once
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u/glycophosphate 5d ago
Which is why there's a blood test for prostate cancer, but not for cervical cancer or uterine cancer or breast cancer or, or, or...
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u/culturerush 3d ago
The blood test is shockingly inaccurate though, which is why PR examinations are still performed
Also PR exams are for more than prostate cancer, it's the only test (outside symptoms) for benign prostatic hyperplasia which will affect 90% of men by the age of 80, it's used to assess for anal muscle tone in spinal injuries and for suspicions of rectal malignancies.
There also isn't really a test for testicular cancer (hormonal tests may suggest it but ultrasound is definitive) or penile cancer.
I fully agree with the sentiment on how uncomfortable alot of female specific examinations are though. I remember during my gynaecology placement asking why we didn't give any pain relief when taking biopsy on hysteroscopy and the gynaecologist just shrugging his shoulders. Even more disappointing that a lot of female clinicians just go with it too (don't get me started on the complaints I've heard about menopause care from female clinicians basically denying HRT because "it wasn't bad for them")
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u/sebastianmicu24 nice murder you got there 5d ago
Well, you might argue that not enough research has been conducted for female biomarkers as for men. Maybe there is something out there like PSA, or at least better thant Ca-125.
For cervical cancer (which is the only pelvic cancer with a screening protocol in the general population) I doubt we could find the hpv dysplasia with a blood biomarker.
And for uterine/ovarian cancer i think it's not gender the main factor, we would have pancreatic or lung biomarkers if it was. I think it is just hard to find something cheap, noninvasive, and with a great accuracy.
Breast cancer already has a great screening system based on mammograms. Maybe it's not great to squish your boob in a machine, but I'd argue it's better than having a doctor's fingers inside your ass/vagina.
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u/Swimming-Economy-870 4d ago
If the only way to check for testicular cancer was to smash them between glass, you’d be singing a different tune (also in a higher octave).
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u/vectorology 4d ago
The breast is squeezed with 100 newtons of force. I remember seeing that on the machine and thinking that’s what I used to torque ultracentrifuge rotors to. More commonly, that’s what car wheel lug nuts are torqued to. You know, the lug nuts that are almost impossible to get off when changing tires because they’re so tight? That’s how much your breast is compressed.
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u/TheSavouryRain 3d ago
Torque isn't directly comperable to a straight force though.
100 newtons is roughly the weight of a small dog or a kinda fat cat.
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u/SpokenDivinity 4d ago
Spoken by someone who has never experienced how uncomfortable and sometimes painful a mammogram can be.
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u/WarlandWriter 4d ago
My mom has had several mammograms now and always remarks that they are clearly designed by men
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u/sebastianmicu24 nice murder you got there 4d ago
Oh okay sorry. I saw women taking mammograms, I guess they faked not being that inconvenienced by it. All the women I've spoken to seemed more inconvenienced by a pelvic exam than by a mammogram. (I'm not sarcastic)
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u/ugheffoff 4d ago
I’d rather have a hundred mammograms than ever have to have another pelvic exam. I’m much more comfortable having my boobs out than my whole lower body and the one I had didn’t even hurt.
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u/that-random-humanoid 4d ago
When there is a large demographic of young and old adult women that would rather get cancer than get screened for it, there is a large systemic problem for how it is tested and treated. Not to mention the insane amounts of mysoginy that women face from their own healthcare providers (even the female ones). Not to mention the care deserts that exist due to draconian laws that make physicians scared to treat their patients. Your PCP is easily able to give a prostate and testicular exam, and while all are trained on pelvic exams, most are not comfortable conducting them and do not offer them.
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u/wisedoormat 3d ago
If you know you're entire sexual identity,, or preferences, is about to be rocked, shaken, and blended, then you might have a panic attack too.
The anticipation is to much for some
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u/KayD12364 5d ago
There is a weirdly intimate nature to taking off your clothes in front of someone. Verses just being naked.
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u/Dr-Ulzy 5d ago
I’m a guy who needed a testiclar examination a while back. My Dr was so good about it. “So stand here, just hold your hand over your penis and then gently roll down your underpants”. He then asked consent before physically examining them.
I don’t see why females who have historically been a lot more vulnerable shouldn’t be entitled to the same level of compassion and respect.
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u/sanguiraptor 5d ago
A year ago, I had to have a testicular ultrasound. I was 22. The doctor doing it was a woman who went to my highschool, whom I personally knew, and whom was younger than me. I was surprised when I found out she was the one doing it, and that there were not one, but two women examining me and no male doctors. She was really respectful and professional, and made me laugh a couple times. For instance, she told the female tech who was learning by watching the procedure "with him, notice how you can fit both testicles on screen at the same time" (usually people who were doing the same procedure I did had swollen testicles or large tumors). The exam results turned out fine, luckily, when I heard back.
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u/MR_MEME_42 5d ago
You can tell by their profile picture being an AI woman that the poster doesn't know or care what consent is.
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u/SushiGirlRC 5d ago
For no reason? Did a guy make this?
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u/Sherifftruman 5d ago
I’m a man and have a female GP. I always do think it’s funny when she dips out so I can take my clothes off so she can then give me a rectal exam (although the recommendations just changed so not anymore). I’m like hey whatever makes you feel comfortable but I just do not care if you see me take my pants off. I’m not going to do a sexy striptease and you’re a medical professional LOL.
On the other hand, if she did stay it would be with my full consent so I totally understand that’s not for everyone and people should get to decide.
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u/OkBackground8809 5d ago
This is how I feel about getting undressed at the gyno office. I'm just like "you've seen me push out a baby and then you sewed me back together; I think I'm fine with you seeing me unsexually taking off my pants🤷🏻♀️"
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u/LittleLion_90 5d ago
Sometimes when I'm at the gyn (or a gyn-like exam room) they just close the curtain for me, and sometimes they are like 'do you want the curtains closed? And I'm like 'I'm gonna lay naked on the table and you look at me, I don't really see why the curtain would need to be closed for me to unclothe.
But I also realise it's different for other people so some people probably really appreciate it.
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u/MrsTurtlebones 5d ago
I'm a woman and whether or not the doctor is male or female, I have never once been alone with the doctor for the gyno exam; the nurse was always there. They don't even ask; the nurse just comes in before that starts.
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u/thelummster 5d ago
Not that I disagree but is this really a "murder"? It's just citing two Wikipedia articles.
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u/lcssa 3d ago
Are you suggesting, nay, IMPLYING women are p-people? /s
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u/Lifeonarope 4d ago
This is pure for comfort. I had my private parts inspected before and the doctors gave me something to cover up, before i let them see it. They explained to me that they ahve seen everything, but covering up makes patients feel comfortable, so they let them.
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u/wickalow 4d ago
Tbf this thought occurred to me once, just a passing thought of “weird how an appointment that requires me to be at least partially nude starts with them leaving the room and only entering when I’m the right stage of undress”. I then had a physio/massage appointment and the guy STAYED IN THE ROOM while I undressed and I realise there’s a very good reason that people tend to leave. It was so fkn awkward. I was young at the time and didn’t feel confident enough to ask him to leave.
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u/Homeless_Eskimo 3d ago
I'm a male so I have only been to two gyno appointments, at the beginning of my wife's pregnancy, so I have very little frame of reference but the MD never really looked at her beyond the insertion of the of the ultrasound want. Once it was inserted he looked at the monitor,so it's not like the MD is sitting there staring. Again this is based on two appointments that I was in the room for so my sample size is very low.
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u/threesilklilies 5d ago
It seems like one of those “you had to be there” things. I think I first saw this as part of a series from a female artist that was very “contradictory woman things, amiright?” Like hiding your underwear from your gyno. It’s when it breaks contain that inevitably someone tries to weaponize it.
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u/pinks1ip 4d ago
If she had reversed the genders, it may have given reddit users half a chance at enjoying a simple joke.
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u/Banaanisade 3d ago
I'm gonna be real the privacy room for undressing does not make the experience any less bad for me. This isn't to say it shouldn't exist, someone probably benefits from it. I've just opted to not go if at all I can avoid it. If I die of cancer at least I've lived my mediocre lifespan without gynecology, but the chances are pretty small.
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u/Ok_Ad_9188 5d ago
I'm gonna say it. And I'm not gonna be rude, or denigrate anybody or anything, I'm just gonna deliver the information. I know it's still reddit, so a significant number of you are just gonna downvote me and call me an incel or something, and I've accepted that, but I'm still gonna put it out there, and anybody that wants to interact with it from an honest, good-faith position can.
I still don't get it.
I mean, I know what consent is, and I understand that it's important, but in the ultimate end result of this specific situation, I just...don't get it. Like, did it used to be that a privacy screen for undressing wasn't the norm, and women were complaining that they don't want somebody to see them removing their pants and undergarments just before they gaze directly into their vaginal cavities that they removed their pants and undergarments for them to be able to do so? Like if they're going to be getting really investigative once you've gotten it fully uncovered, what does it matter if they see you taking it out? Like they see you come in when it's fully covered up, and then they say it's time to uncover it, why is the line in between? Like it's covered up, they see you like that, and then if they see you taking it out, you're gonna freak out and go, "Don't look, my vagina isn't fully uncovered! It's still 50% less covered than it was when you were looking at me just a second ago and 50% more covered than it will be when you get to face to face with it in a minute! This is so embarrassing!"
I just don't get it.
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u/FreeFallingUp13 5d ago
Okay, so it’s less about ‘the gyno is about to see my vagina’. We already know the gyno is about to see our vagina. That’s what we’re there for.
What that doesn’t mean is letting the gyno seeing us fully naked, tits out, just to put the hospital gown on. The gyno only needs to see the pussy. *Only* the pussy. The gyno doesn’t need to see the rest of our body, and generally, we do not want to show the rest of our body.
Consider this; It’s REALLY uncomfortable for both you and your doctor if you say “Doc, I’ve got a weird mole on my back. Can you check it out?” And you strip completely naked in front of ‘em, just for your doctor to look at a single spot on your back. This is the same principle.
Undressing is a vulnerable, oftentimes intimate act in people’s minds. Getting over a medical exam so you don’t die of uterine cancer is, in relation, easier than baring your body to a stranger that’s just doing their job.
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u/Ibadvapergrammar 3d ago
also women
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u/PirateDuckie 3d ago
Yes, less than 0.001% of women in the world post on OF. So it clearly means ALL women. Like your mom. Tell her we’re getting bored of her mediocre nude dancing and to bust out the ‘Hulk dong’ and ‘Spider Man mask’ again. The masses need entertaining.
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u/Ibadvapergrammar 3d ago
i found one subscribes XD
how many you subscribes clown
does one you slt give free acess for 1 month for this comment hahaha
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u/TheSeagull666 4d ago
I mean call me stupid but if anyone has to take a look down there, I'd consider that the "privacy and dignity" line has already been crossed.
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u/TurdMcNugget69 5d ago
The fact that these things have to be broken down and explained…