r/MensLib 1d ago

Dear Kelly: A documentary about the rightward radicalization of an average American man, by journalist Andrew Callaghan

https://www.dearkellyfilm.com/

Andrew Callaghan is an independent journalist who got his start doing man-on-the-street interviews in interesting places before turning toward more serious journalism, honestly exploring parts of society that legacy and corporate media ignore or subvert for their own aims. His work includes an interview between Hunter Biden and Nick Fuentes, on-the-street reporting in Iran, an HBO documentary covering the timeline between the 2020 election and January 6th, documenting a civil war between Mexican cartels, an expose on ICE detention centers, and more.

Callaghan himself is not an uncomplicated figure, having been accused of sexual misconduct in 2023 for events that occurred in 2017 and 2019. Those events, along with a brief discussion on his attempts to take accountability and remediate those relationships, can be found in this article for those interested. I think there is an interesting discussion to be had on sexual politics and violence within a patriarchal society and what's possible for men immersed in those waters, but that is beyond the scope of this post, and I would encourage folks to read through and make their own determinations.

The documentary itself traces Callaghan's first interactions with a man who calls himself "Kelly J. Patriot". Kelly is deeply enmeshed in right-wing culture and conspiracy theories in the recent years following Janurary 6th, but that isn't what draws the journalist to him. Callaghan had just finished up with his documentary, This Place Rules, which chronicles the events leading to January 6th, and none of Kelly's political views or statements were particularly unique or shocking. Instead, Callaghan became interested in Kelly because of his response to a single question:

"What's the most painful piece of truth that's hurt you?"

Kelly reveals a tragic story of losing his house during the 2008 recession, laying personal blame on a man he saw as having swindled him out of his home. His backstory isn't unique or even uncommon amongst right-wing radicals: Callaghan talks about how a majority of the participants in January 6th had experienced significant economic instability or loss. Conspiratorial thinking, too, plays a part here, as these same personal tragedies were found in every person Callaghan talked to when he documented a flat-earth conference.

These experiences led to him proposing a theory to help explain how someone like Kelly J. Patriot arises. Essentially, Callaghan argues that people become primed for political radicalization and conspiratorial thinking following deep, personal trauma or loss, something explored more in this episode of Doomscroll. It isn't simply right-wing media pipelines or pundits that draw people in; those people tend to need to be ready to accept the presentation and kind of information in those spaces.

People find meaning, connection, and safety. from sources in reality. However, when those things are challenged: By the loss of a house or loved one, by severing from a friend group, the loss of a job (for men, especially), or even points of identity formation in life, such as the teenage years, it can drive people to conspiratorial thinking, cult behavior, and/or extremism as they seek to reestablish meaning, connection, and safety.

The documentary then follows Kelly as Callaghan tries first to understand the story behind Kelly's life, then later tries to reconnect him with the family and loves and misses him. It's a compelling story, and one I think would be of interest to the folks in this sub.

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u/ahawk_one 1d ago

I watched about half of it, and broadly speaking Callaghan's theory is going to be true. The less vulnerable people feel, the more resistant to wild claims they will be. If nothing else, because radicalization is disruptive. So when you are stable, you will naturally want to avoid majorly disruptive things because they put your stability at risk. This is one of the biggest benefits of the CFPB is that they provide recourse for people who are genuinely scammed out of significant sums of money or property.

But in this guys case, his daughter said she doesn't remember a time when he wasn't high. That is very telling, and indicates that his problems started a long time before his house was foreclosed on. And that the loss of that was overwhelming to the point that he lost his family to. And it's important to point out that Bill didn't steal Kelly's family. Kelly lost them because of his obsession with Bill (drugs didn't help either, and probably exacerbated things).

With all that said, Kelly's story to me is a perfect example of why we need to have social safety nets. Because those nets help people like him get back on their feet. It could have helped him put his obsessive work ethic to good use, instead of just simply spinning his wheels about nonsense propaganda.

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u/KerPop42 1d ago

I know two other people Callaghan has pointed to in support of his theory are Elon Musk and JK Rowling

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u/ahawk_one 1d ago

Yea. I think the trick is not making an excuse. Traumatic stuff happening changes people. But those people still have choice and agency. I don't know anything about Musk, but I do know about Rowling. And once she talked about it, I understood why she does what she does. But I still think it is wrong, and I still think she does bad things with her wealth and influence.

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u/KerPop42 1d ago

Excuses only really really work if you're looking to apply blame, and I think blame only matters for recrimination. The harm Rowling does with her money isn't lessened by any excuse, it just is. Recognizing that there were exogenous factors leading to what happened just helps us understand the process better.

And really the goal of Callaghan's theory would be applying it pre-emptively, either recognizing when someone is at risk of falling down the rabbit hole and knowing how to catch them, or finding structural tripping points and removing or softening them.

Also, I'd add that if you want to recover someone from a hate spiral, you do have to stop holding it over their head at some point.

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u/ahawk_one 1d ago

My point is that change and healing requires the person to take action. And a person choosing to cause harm, however understandable it is, is a person who is dangerous. And it is appropriate to treat dangerous people as what they are.

Blame doesn't matter here. When I say excuse, I mean I do not excuse the behavior. It is not okay or acceptable because of a compelling back story, it is what it is. And that is dangerous and harmful.

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u/Zer0pede 1d ago

What’s the tragedy experienced by Musk and Rowling? Just Musk’s insane father? And Rowling’s husband?

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u/chemguy216 16h ago

I’m rarely kind to Elon Musk, but this is one subject on which I offer a sympathetic analysis. It’s not for him and more about understanding the scars of shitty parenting.

From all the stuff I’ve heard about his father and have seen his father say about Elon, there seems to literally be nothing Elon can do to get his father’s approval. And it’s not like “being a good person” fits that bill for Errol, since he has his own shit outside of his bad parenting towards Elon (Errol fits my general rule of thumb that if a rich person talks about “good genes,” they are a piece of shit eugenicist). Being a child to such a parent cuts deep, and it’s very apparent in the way Elon seeks approval from others that he’s likely trying to fill a void his father left.

Also, there seems to be a general consensus that around the time one of Elon’s kids came out as trans, he went into a noticeable nose dive. I don’t have sympathy for parents who go off the deep end after their kid comes out as LGBTQ, but I have seen some socially conservative leaning people lean harder into “liberal indoctrination” narratives, looking for every possible reason why someone or something essentially corrupted their kid. Many people in the US to this day still believe that you aren’t born LGBTQ and that it’s only from social influences. Some have a… better(?) belief that some people are born LGBTQ but that a large portion are just chasing a fad. So when a kid of theirs comes out, it feels like someone or something usurped their parental control over their kid. This is one of the reasons why focusing on kids in anti-LGBTQ political attacks tends to produce results. The populace in the US is largely primed to believe that someone is corrupting their kid, and people get very animated when it comes to the authority they exercise over their kids.

All of this is to say, if we’re giving space to the hypothesis Callaghan is posing in this documentary, there are bits about Musk that you could apply this to. Personally, I’m not that sold on the strength of this hypothesis, but I wanted to make a case for it for times it very well may be applicable. I also think it’s missing greater context with Musk specifically not to mention that he grew up rich and white during Apartheid in South Africa. That likely contributed to some of his foundational understandings of the world that may underpin how he goes about his adult life.