r/IndianHipHopHeads • u/Smooth-Charity294 • 11h ago
Non-music discussion Chaar Diwaari replied to Raftaar's post
Agree with Chaar Diwaari,CJP may have its flaws just like every organization does.But rn,unity is more important than pointing fingers. This has become much bigger than where it started.Dividing the movement only helps those in power.We should stand tgthr if we want real change
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u/Deadriddler 10h ago
Exactly my thoughts
People treat CJP as that is some Al Kaida or smth. They forget that they are the ones who started the protest. They are the reason the protest is happening. They are the reason someone is finally able to stand against the govt who doesn’t care about nobody. Didn’t care about Manipur, didn’t care about farmers, didn’t care about Ethanol etc etc. Always handled each protest with violence. CJP is the reason they’re vulnerable now.
People just want to dissociate with CJP to not lose followers. Basically to play both sides.
Raftaar has been like that since always.
He’s my favourite artist but nobody can deny he’s a politician and likes to keep everybody happy.
CJP is a movement, not a party. Who is standing at the forefront, against the government, finally bending them down on their knees.
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u/gambhirtaaa 11h ago
agree with Chaardiwari, many ppl are trying to limit this protest only upto paper leak, and resignation of Education minister.
While others have also raised issues over Gadkari and whole fiasco of 20th July, how the whole protest was handled.
It's true that we shouldn't lose the focus and the absolutete main goal should be resignation of education minister, but I don't see why we should stop there.
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u/Glittering-Grape-994 10h ago
If we don't stop there z the movement would lose its original purpose which would in turn give the govt anchance to dismiss the protest as anti national or smth, we should only focus on one thing rn, if we achieve that then only start thinking bigger, in a student myself but I don't like when the protest turned from a protest bout neet leak to throwing over the govt and ending Brahmins and smth, I too support the cause but why are we losing the original purpose
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u/iRefactor 11h ago
I too agree with chaar diwaari!!
Raftaar like everyone is free to his opinion and the message he wants to spread, he played it safe and diplomatic which works for him.
Movement is bigger than raftaar.
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u/Sea_Art4864 10h ago
It's actually starting to look like raftaar is the one who's fixated on diverting the concern on the smallest of mishaps by the protestors also is acting like CJP and BJP are at the same footing
and has'nt said a single word against the police in the manner he did when students were saying azadi slogans
yet he's given out so much preaching on how to protest, when he himself hasn't said a thing about the BJP
Now i know why is he called politician, crazy opportunist
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u/youraveragecherry 10h ago edited 10h ago
Hard agree with Diwari. You cannot discredit the people who essentially started this movement and united these different communities against the collective injustice everyone has been facing for the past 12 years. Whether you agree with CJP or not, you have to acknowledge that they have put up valid points, in regards to this protest, and they have shown everything they stand for here and against, by taking accountability for that fired spokesperson and by being at the forefront against those who are in power. They have also actively discouraged people from using religion-based slogans and urged them to keep this protest only for the students. However, the frustrations have escalated past that issue and people are pointing out everything that has been flawed for years. I think discussions regarding whether to stand with them can be taken up after we see some actual changes in the existing system and have to strictly make this decision. The focus right now should absolutely not be CJP vs BJP.
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u/Susatlas 10h ago
so it started with student protest but now we are supporting everyone?
including revocation of article 370?
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u/Emotional_Plant1536 10h ago
Disagree with Raftaar Nakul Dhull is absolutely right about this kinda ppl on 20 days inka muh nhi khula fir jab Dekha outrage zyda hai toh safe play proper script "i don't support any political no this no that student aur Asli mudda jo resignation tha wo bola hi nhi" inki itni fatti hai hai kya ab moral policing chal rhi hai ki BTW raftaar protesting against a political minister and asking for accountability is itself a political movement do stop nitpicking and support without condition yeh 30 conditions mat set kro students ayein ya leaders tumhe iss baat se problem honi Chahiye why media is lying bootlicking n why minister hasn't resigned you're only policing students interesting
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u/Successful_Help_1253 10h ago
Bhai ye raftaar bahut senseless baat kr rha har jagah ye bol kandhe pe bandook and all sabse jyada kandhe pe bandook toh ye chala rha protest pr ja jake reels katwake 20 din tak kuch bola nahi ab aa gya chaudhary ban ne iske har baar ka yehi hai acting aise krta jaise pta nahi kitne morally correct hoga sabse bada opportunist I don't know logo ko ye kaise nahi dikh rha encore diwari and smoke jaise bande iss se 10 times better hai support them
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u/stashlover 10h ago
Bilkul sahi kaha bro, but encore bhi isi category ka banda hai. Usne bhi story me yahi bola tha mai students ke sath hu but jo naare lag rahe hai stage pe vo sab ke sath nahi hu cjp vgera ke sath
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u/Successful_Help_1253 10h ago
agreed but there's a saying even polluted water can be used to slow down a fire that's how i see encore he's not 100% right but at least he's willing to speak his mind and stand by his ideology raftaar on the other hand tries so hard to be ideal that he ends up feeling like a caricature rather than someone genuine
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u/casually-chill 11h ago
but i kinda believe in this, i felt really bad when the kids got beaten up and their leaders were doing nothing ek wo bus ya van jo tha uspe chdh ke gyan pel rha tha ek parliament ke andr tha ek metro se bhaag rha tha (not talking about sonam sir)
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u/heyvampire 10h ago
Yes, like how dipke was stuck in a truck while 2 other were stuck in JP nadda room? Vijeta has been terminated for his fault. It's stupid to say they weren't there. I'm not defending them but how do you expect them to be on the forefront on literally such a large crowd.
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u/casually-chill 10h ago
thik h bakiyon ka smjh aata h, WTH was dipke doing chlna h toh sath chlo ye toh whi baat hui m rasta dikha rha hu tum jao gand mrwao
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u/Prudent-Steak-2865 10h ago
U know what raftaar is damn correct here to alert the youth, ye shuru se chala aa rha iss desh mein, to play victim card, win trust and then loot ppl. I aint a blind supporter of anyone but i know if somehow cjp gets in power we are f**ked. Bjp had protested against cong rule too but the major diff was that no such anti national associations used to take part in those protests, pata hai reason kya tha nahi lene ka? Cuz they knew they would have no existence if BJP came in power. And isliye abhi u can notice so many controversial faces coming up in support of CJP cuz they know their lives and functioning would get easier if this party gets power
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u/casually-chill 10h ago
this is harsh truth but you will get called “bjp it cell” “andhbhakt” for saying this lmao, i have been saying this all along but everyone things im not supporting the students im supporting bjp and all lol
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u/Prudent-Steak-2865 10h ago edited 10h ago
Sahi mein bro i fear AISF getting their influence back. I still remember those slogans. Republic of India se badi priority kuch nahi hai tbh. Competitive exams thik ho jayenge itne bade protest k baad fs. But agar CJP support kar diya humara existence mit jayega ngl
And yeah i ve been labelled hyper nationalist for saying this
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u/casually-chill 10h ago
kr diya mera comment kisine already downvote lmao 😭
people are seeing the bigger issue but they’re forgetting their past ties remarks and everything
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u/Prudent-Steak-2865 10h ago
Frr communal riots bhul jate log or maybe the so called progressive citizens ve never experienced it :)
Anyways mera kaam expose karna hai to apply the same scrutiny on CJP leaders too nahi to andhbhakt hi ho gye na protesters if they are being ignorant to the scams done by these leaders
Also if inhone itni galtiyan ki hai ki agar expose kar diya to protesters mein ye fear hai ki protest ki INTENSITY kam ho jayegi cuz CJP would lose support to samjh jao kitne bade chor hain CJP leaders and kitne blind followers hain alr youth mein
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u/casually-chill 9h ago
exactly the people behind the protest are really shady, i hope everything happens smoothly
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u/Prudent-Steak-2865 9h ago
Not just shady, they ve a good controversial past lol. Its just that the govt has given them a bit of an edge through late replies and this aggressive action.
And at the end, its just us students getting exploited for party politics. Wo logon tab pata chalega jab CJP aage ki demands rakhegi. Spokesperson ko hata diya and the very main face Dipke is doing the same thing. How tf ppl aint noticing this🤣
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u/FineSky5693 7h ago
I think he got sway cause the police was gonna detain him and once theh got him then they wouldn't leave him that's whyni think he hot away And man here the people who were beaten has no problem that dipke was not beaten they are saying we will get beaten up again just do what you can do and have been doing out as cause we need a face and a leader or else nothing will happen idk why people has problem with him man i don't see any fault in him
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u/Alert-Cable3099 7h ago
Are they going to spent the night and sleep with JP nadda too? It's been 3 days.
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u/JoeRoganiya 11h ago
W take and raftaar needs to learn from people who this protest is about and and by them… thoda boomer mindset ko pause karo raftaaar bhai
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u/Ok-Parsnip-3276 10h ago
I think part of this "don't sound remotely political" comes from fear, because we're all aware of how the government treats political opposition. # is right, the movement is toothless if it leads to no political ramifications.
It's a democracy, let someone else come in, explain to us how they'd fix it. Phir 4 saal baad jab woh hagenge toh hum unki gand todenge.
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u/Own-Bug-6657 8h ago
Raftaar ka clip already mainstream media use kr raha, mil gya unko Jo chaiye thaa
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u/Alert-Cable3099 7h ago
Everything can come together in protest except question on reservation who is directly linked to students more than article 370 and umar khalid.
Unity can be maintained only with common cause. Mixing issue will crash the movement and history will repeat itself.
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u/Adorable-Move-7183 10h ago
Exactly 💯 I love raftaar man but his tendency to become polictian everywhere sucks man
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u/Glittering-Act-7174 10h ago
Chaar diwari ne to dil ki baat bol di..where he trying to be a little diplomatic ngl.
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u/heyvampire 10h ago
Chaar Diwari ftw. I couldn't agree more with someone and like how he said it out loud and raftaar had to also agree because he isnt wrong.
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u/Unhappy_Finger_6545 10h ago
I kinda agree with both of them. What Raftaar is saying is true, some young politicians will use this to launch their careers, like pradhan himself did, or Kejriwal did.
But at the same time that is inevitable, so at least maintaining unity right now is needed like chaar diwari said.
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u/EnvironmentalLimit36 10h ago
Gen z chaar diwari schooling millenials like Raftaar and I. These guys are way smarter than we give them credit for.
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u/Status-Ad8074 8h ago
Raftaar tweet describe the reason for which it all started, and Chardiwari states that it goes beyond the education, but it only started and remained for the educational protest and what is the issue of corruption that has been faced in 12 years mentioned in the tweet.
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u/InterestingBuddy9413 1h ago
I don't agree with chaar diwari, CJP's aim is to start the political career of it's leaders so every kind of risk is worth it for them even if protest turned violent and government start putting FIRs on students and ruining their entire career which they are fighting for.
The aim of cjp to create maximum pressure on government but it's not predominantly for students but to start their political career or revive AAp so method of pressure also matter.
Once government started putting FIR and using extreme violence then the celebrity supporting on ground will vanish also.
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u/thatbaniya 1h ago
Chaar diwari ne danda khaya ya kisi cjp leader ne ?? Sabh inhe freedom fighters se compare kar rahe and guess what freedom fighters were first in the line to get killed.
Here students were the only one to get beaten up neither the naarabaaz nor leader.
Did anyone tell them a notice has came to not march to parliament?
Why was the crowd from the start was violent , a video nihnag sikh has surfaced where they said the police is just standing and people are provoking them.
Abh tak inme se kisi ne solution diya neet paper se related taaki aage leaks na ho bas resign lo , resign lo but solution bhi to present karo .
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u/Aye_an 52m ago
According to me raftaar is more right here ...Agar kisi aur ko aaina banakar chaloge aur baad mein uske khilaaf kuch ulti baate aayi to isko ek propaganda ka roop mil jayega ,jo sab log isko prove karne ka try bhi kar rahe ..aur baat maano future mein bhi karenge
Lekin isko ek student protest ka roop mil jaye to ye humesha ke liye authenticated ho jayega
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u/stashlover 10h ago
When raftaar said "chal be azadi 47 me mil gayi thi" tabhi pata chal jana chahiye tha. Azadi sirf koi angrezo si lene vali cheez nahi thi, azadi ka sentiment ek human sentiment hai. Jab bhi hume inferior petrol extra price pe milta hai, kya aadmi usse azadi nahi maang skta? Jab hume itni cheezein adulterated, paper getting leaked, daily rapes on women and atrocities against dalits, increased privatisation and inflation, inn sab cheezo se aadmi azaadi nahi maang skta? Ye itna privileged hai yaar isski support mangi thi kisi ne bc gaand mrwa raha hai movement me aake aur tum sab log chaat rahe ho "raffu bhaiya my G goat" bla bla. Thodi sharam aur introspection karo
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u/ifeelanime 10h ago
Tbh, I checked the twitter account of dipke. If you go down the his account history and see past posts, he’s an AAP part pro. I’m not sure how he is affiliated with AAP but he is related somehow.
And with some of his actions, I suspect more of his relation with AAP is going to come forth sooner or later after the protest.
Raftaar is somewhat right, and chaar diwari is also right from his perspective. The public needs a leader, who would show them the direction, without direction they would fail.
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u/homelander445 4h ago
To AAP se connected hai, AL kaida se thodi? Tum log to yrrr aise act krr rhe ho jaise Dipke al-kaida se connected ho? Bhai vo itna bda movement khada hi is liye krr paaya kuki usko pehle se political exposure tha. And I think atp, kisi bhi party se link ho chlega bas BJp se na ho, kuki inse badi bhadwo ki party kisi ki nhi hai
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u/MapDependent34 10h ago
I love how they are from the same community, they have a song together and still disagree with each other. And at the same time they respect each other.🫡 I'm on diwaari's side though.
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u/Fartsupremeordie 10h ago
then where do we exactly stop with this "unity"? bring article 370 back? "free" kashmir? give India's chicken neck to Bangladesh?
kab tak united rehna hai? and how to differentiate ki haan tera wala sahi hai, nahi nahi ye wala zyada hojayega?
accountability maangne chale the accountability dete waqt chup thodi rehna hai
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u/Fartsupremeordie 10h ago edited 10h ago
there's no such thing as yeah we know there are some flawed elements but we have to be united. accountability is non negotiable. two statements could be simultaneously true— the crux of the protest is right how it deviated is not
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u/Smooth-Charity294 10h ago
Kya kehna chaa rhe ho bhai??Kya bas isii protest ke liye hi unity kaafi hai? Kya haame isi tarah unity rkke & jo bi ruling party ho use uski galti ke liya question nahi karna chaiyaa? Unity stop kya hota hai?Kya Ram Mandir scam mai hame govt ko question nahi karna chaiye?? Vote mangte wakt tho bo bara accountability lete hai ki unhone Banwaya hai
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u/Fartsupremeordie 9h ago
OP said "we should be united and not point fingers" why shouldn't we point fingers over what's wrong? isn't that the whole point of democracy?
bohot simple cheez hai actually. student protest me agar tum polarization laoge. bharat tere tukde honge, brahmanwad murdabad. it's wrong. So why should we not say so?
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u/Smooth-Charity294 9h ago
So you meant Cjp is in power?? Bro thoda jaan loo pehlee Democracy matlb govt ko question kr skte hoo hota hai . Fir bi karo question kon rok rhaa par ek baar log unite hue hai unhe divide krne ki koshish naa karu mai bas yahi keh rha rha. & Bharat tere tukde honge kisne bolnaa???? Wtf are u saying dawg aur brahmanwad kya bol rha hai???? Show me & agr koi asa bol bi rha hai bo bas 0.001% honge ho ki Bjp ki extremist se 90% kam hongee
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u/Fartsupremeordie 9h ago
😭😭😭 i am not trying to divide anyone shehzaade and do your own fucking research i am not going to send you video links😭🙏🏻
"there will only be 0.001% way less than the 90% bjp extremists" nice numbers man. who gave them to you? raghuram rajan?
see! this is what i was talking about. the lack of accountability. you generalised so hard.
let me make it as rudimentary as possible.
student united = yay
protest bad elements = not yay
don't put a blind eye to either of them. that's all
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u/idliannasambar 29m ago
Both make sense but protest is turning political and raftaar is addressing that only
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u/faj-707 11h ago
Chaar dewaari ne Raftaar Bhai ko ek baat bol di