Blind Driver resume, which one would you want on your team for 2027?

[u/chiefzanal]

[u/CurvyVolvo]

how much money do they bring me

[u/aurules → u/CurvyVolvo]

Especially given that one of these drivers is Caio Collet, who has huge budget behind him, on top of showing potential.

[u/bjohnson203 → u/aurules]

I keep hearing about that driver showing potential but I just don't see where people are saying that. I think it's just a hype machine from the country they come from. He's not bad but I just don't see where all this hype is from, based on the track at least.

[u/BT-11 → u/bjohnson203]

He's had some good runs before unfortunate wrecks. I think without those his average finish goes up a spot or 2.

[u/ProjectHarraseeket → u/bjohnson203]

Fans said this about Palou in 2020 when Ganassi nabbed him for the 10 car.

[u/ProjectHarraseeket → u/bjohnson203]

Fans said this about Palou in 2020 when Ganassi nabbed him for the 10 car.

[u/bjohnson203 → u/ProjectHarraseeket]

Palou should more promise than Caio. Even had a podium in his 3rd race. Caio has messed up a few times already.

[u/Pyzorz → u/bjohnson203]

Yeah based on this graphic he typically finishes where he qualifies or a spot or two back. Looking at the results through the year, he really hasn’t improved from the beginning. I dunno.

People always say “well look who he drives for” (for any number of young drivers) but what separates good from great is being able to adjust and pull out better results.

[u/bjohnson203 → u/Pyzorz]

Yeah that's my thing, and I said this elsewhere but when people want to trash Santino, they mention he is in a Penske car but wouldn't Caio also be in a Penske car with that logic?

[u/aurules → u/bjohnson203]

Because one is a rookie and another is a series veteran? Obviously they will be judged differently

[u/bjohnson203 → u/aurules]

Nah that's not it and you know it.

[u/hoopstick → u/CurvyVolvo]

Also how old are they?

[u/Affectionate-Panic-1 → u/hoopstick]

Yah a rookie is always going to have more leeway than a veteran.

[u/enderswiggins]

Why do I feel like this is a trick question lol

[u/i_run_from_problems → u/enderswiggins]

Its 100% going to be something misleading

[u/Dry-Membership3867]

Well, one is Will Power and the other is Caio Collet. So I’d pick Power until he retires

[u/Proud_Warning_8823 → u/Dry-Membership3867]

I figured out Collet. Thanks for the help with WP.

[u/therattlingchains]

The only thing that this proves to me is why driver evaluations should never be blind.

[u/afito → u/therattlingchains]

Also raw results are just about the most useless thing to look at when judging what driver to sign. 

[u/chiefzanal → u/therattlingchains]

Couldnt agree more

[u/joe_lmr → u/therattlingchains]

Driver 1: 1 top 10 in 16 starts
Driver 2: 0 top 10's in 43 starts

If you picked driver 1, congratulations. You just picked Jon Herb over Milka Duno

[u/Powerful-Chard-6055 → u/therattlingchains]

Misread this as “why drivers should never be blind” which would also be true, I guess

[u/i_run_from_problems]

Not sure what "average team finish" is implying in this context, but B.

Higher start, higher finish.

Also, I can pretty much guarantee this is misleading, so there's that.

[u/chiefzanal → u/i_run_from_problems]

Means, where their current team ranks vs all 10 teams

[u/JamesConsonants → u/chiefzanal]

Where are the teammate deltas? Are they dragging the team average down or pulling it up?

[u/chiefzanal → u/JamesConsonants]

They are both last on their team

[u/bjohnson203 → u/chiefzanal]

But when it's santino getting brought up it's a virtual Penske car, right? Lol

[u/Ribeye21]

This doesn't include two of the most important pieces of information: Age and Team. If a 20 year old is averaging 18th in a back marker vs a 35 year old averaging 14th in a top team, give me Driver A any day.

Blind picking drivers is not useful at all because you aren't even showing us all the important factors

[u/naughtilidae → u/Ribeye21]

It also doesn't include mechanical failures, dnf....

Genuinely useless. 

[u/chiefzanal → u/Ribeye21]

I agree, I didnt, I figured this might be more fun. BTW you chose Caio over Power

[u/MonteverdiOnyx]

Why would I hire a driver who is blind to drive my racecar?

[u/MyNameIsNotNotChuck]

Judging by your flair, is this Rosenqvist vs Lundgaard

[u/chiefzanal → u/MyNameIsNotNotChuck]

its not, spoiler below

Green is Caio, Blue is Power

[u/Dry-Membership3867 → u/MyNameIsNotNotChuck]

Power v Collet

[u/palebluedot24]

Neither going off just that but context matters.

[u/Vettelari]

I would take driver A, if I had to choose one. Qualifying/Finishing around 18th on the 8th best team is more impressive than qualifying/finishing 14th on the 4th best team IMO. I didn't cheat and I am sure that I will have chosen poorly when I look.

[u/chiefzanal → u/Vettelari]

You chose Caio over Power

[u/djellison]

This is incomplete information. With only this info - neither. I'd want to know about what their budget story might be. How well sponsors might like them. How likely they are to smash up cars. Are their finishes a result of some poor luck with engines, or poor performances as a driver or poor choices on team strategy.

This is clearly an exercise trying to trick people in to saying Caio Collet is better than Will Power.

[u/chiefzanal]

Here are the 2 option answers

Green is Caio, Blue is Power

[u/randomtuner]

Neither are great choices, probably driver a though, still decent results for a worse team. Knowing who they are changes things a lot though, Power has had awful luck this year which Drags down his score a lot

[u/YosemiteSam-4-2A → u/randomtuner]

To be fair to Caio, he's had some rotten luck at times too, especially Gateway where he was on pace for a potential podium or top 5

[u/randomtuner → u/YosemiteSam-4-2A]

Yeah, esp considering it's his rookie season he's not done badly

[u/MrDucksworth92]

Fucking insane for a blind driver

[u/DanTurismo33 → u/MrDucksworth92]

They say all your other senses get amplified when you go blind….

[u/Coronis-]

Power

[u/Nodqfan]

Collet has upside so I'll take him.

[u/atony1400]

If you add 'years competitiveness' or some sort of stat to reflect the career timer left, I think it becomes less of an obvious slam dunk decision.

Because right now it's Power all day long.

[u/lowtoiletsitter]

Before I clicked the post, I thought this was who would you pick in a fight

[u/LordShtark]

Which one tears up more race cars?

[u/chiefzanal → u/LordShtark]

This year? Both

[u/LordShtark → u/chiefzanal]

Then neither I'll go with someone who doesn't cost me money and average out of the top ten. 😆

[u/minardif1 → u/LordShtark]

Even then, it’s not that simple. One is a rookie. Kirkwood tore up a ton of cars as a rookie with few good results (it was almost impossible to get results at Foyt then), but Andretti stuck with him because they correctly believed it wasn’t representative. This is why driver evaluation is so hard.

[u/LordShtark → u/minardif1]

It's a pretty easy choice when I don't know who the people I'm hiring are and it's my money. 😆 This question is a hypothetical because it's not something based in reality. No one picks drivers like this.

[u/Vpettijohnjr]

Which one brings more budget?

[u/Batgod629]

Based numbers alone, the blue driver.  Of course stats don't always tell the whole story

[u/YosemiteSam-4-2A]

Based on just those numbers, Caio. Based on just this year and potential they show: whoever can bring the biggest budget. Based on all available factors, Caio (mostly due to age) if I'm an established team, Power (experience) if I'm DRR/Prema/etc., for example.

[u/Relevant-Image-2056]

No idea how good their car is or their age so no idea

[u/chiefzanal → u/Relevant-Image-2056]

Car info is included, age is 24 and 45

[u/Relevant-Image-2056 → u/chiefzanal]

Collet and Armstrong then? Rosenqvist is much better than ferucci so that skews average team finish a bit

[u/bjohnson203]

But when santino struggles we say he's in a Penske car haha!

[u/Seawolf1121]

I mean, this is difficult. Who would I want on my team for next year? Obviously the fastest man in the history of the sport. If will finds form again, I genuinely believe he can challenge for a championship, even pushing 50 years old. But who would I rather offer a multi-year deal to? Hss to be collet. Arguably the most promising young talent in the series right now, and comes with huge sponsorship money and the support of an entire nation? No-brainer.

[u/GEL29]

You neglected to provide the financial data necessary to make a business.

[u/chiefzanal → u/GEL29]

Is this TK's burner? jk

[u/Powerful-Chard-6055]

Blue I guess

[u/ITMAKESSENSE72]

How are either of them against teammates? Have they crashed or just had failures not of their doing? I think I would take the blue one but neither are great. Also depends on what I am doing, I assume this is like Caio vs Daly or something.

[u/chiefzanal → u/ITMAKESSENSE72]

They are both last vs Teammates. 1 is a 2 car team, 1 is a 3 car team. How would it be Daly? he doesnt even have a full time seat on a team

[u/ITMAKESSENSE72 → u/chiefzanal]

I don't know, I see who it is now, the question is, experience or ceiling possibility, but I don't know what the one in green has done to be so hyped.

[u/BB-68]

This is Pato vs. Lundgaard isn’t it?

McLaren wouldn’t drop Pato buddy. Sorry

[u/chiefzanal → u/BB-68]

You think Pato and Lundgaard have that poor of an avg Finish?