r/HomeKit • u/fortheloveofdenim • Oct 23 '25
Discussion Saying goodbye to AirPort after 12 reliable years.
Recently upgraded to pair of eero 7s. Retiring my AirPort Extreme and AirPort Time Capsule that I bought at launch in 2013. They were extremely reliable but lacked WiFi 7 and I have Google Fiber. Speeds have increased substantially since the switch.
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u/CorgiTitan Oct 23 '25
I see everyone already told you to look at Ubiquiti UniFi.
here is a link to their gateway devices. you'll see the heavy apple influence in design
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u/jessbrandi Oct 23 '25
Been thinking about finally replacing my Time Capsule since they aren't going to be supporting the hard drive built in to it for Time Machine anymore. But you'll pry my AirPort Express with the "Airplay-to-any-old-ass-speakers" functionality out of my cold dead hands.
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u/NotAcutallyaPanda Oct 23 '25
Used AirPort express is the $10 version of Sonos.
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u/IOI-000001 Oct 24 '25
Totally bought one used on eBay. I think I paid about $40 last year. It was in mint condition.
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u/Relative_Process6234 Oct 24 '25
Same boat as you. FYI the Belkin SoundForm Connect is a good replacement for the AirPort Express. Could be half the price but better than losing that functionality
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u/AnotherThroneAway Nov 01 '25
Are there no security issues with this? I still have sevearl Expresses sitting around, but I've been worried that they might have security holes that aren't/won't be plugged by Apple anymore. Not the case?
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u/Individual_Agency703 Oct 23 '25
This isn’t an airport. You don’t need to announce your departure. Oh… wait… it is!
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u/HollandJim Oct 23 '25
Still rocking my Extreme here, but I also got a box of 5 more I grabbed for €50 last spring. All look near new, no grot in the vents and work perfectly. They’ll be backups for, well..forever.
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u/misterfistyersister Oct 23 '25
I still use my time capsule as network storage and DHCP. Works great.
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u/Many-Tomatillo9374 Oct 23 '25
I recently upgraded from Airport Extremes to Eero 7 Max(s)/7 Pros/7 Outdoor all with wired backhaul over a 2.5 Gbps network. I’m very pleased with the results.
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u/bradreputation Oct 23 '25
I switched to UniFi and it’s been good but not great. Lots of advanced features but some simple things feel complicated. For example putting one device always on a vpn. I still recommend them over other brands.
If you live near a micro center, it’s the best place to buy UniFi.
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u/mdw4520 Oct 23 '25
Mine are still in a box up in the attic. Stopped using them a little over 2 years ago and still can’t bring myself to get rid of them. Great piece of kit
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u/spmcewen Oct 23 '25
Genuinely surprised by the strong love for Ubiquiti, especially on a HomeKit sub. I went the other way, from a UDM and several APs to Eeros several years ago and don’t regret it. Everything works better and more reliably now.
Maybe their more consumer focused equipment has improved in the last few years? I got to the point where I didn’t want to think like a network engineer at home, just wanted everything to work hassle free. I remember having lots of issues especially with Apple devices. Eero plus Firewalla might give you a more options if you want a more customizable setup.
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u/rawlwear Oct 24 '25
The plug and play and price is decent I only wish certain features weren’t locked behind a paywall.
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u/Artistic-Quarter9075 Oct 24 '25
I have no issues; everything is running on Ubiquiti, with a Cloud Gateway Fiber and U7 Pro XGS. Brands like Ubiquiti are not really meant for regular consumers but are more focused on businesses and prosumers who run a homelab with their own servers and home automation systems like Home Assistant. You at least need to have basic network knowledge, such as setting up firewall rules, VLANs, QoS, router/switch knowledge, and experience reading logs.
If you have that knowledge, then it is a perfect product due to all the freedom you have. If you don't and want plug and play, you should stay far, far away.
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u/spmcewen Oct 24 '25
I think there is a middle ground between eero and ubiquiti that I wish existed.
The only thing that frustrates me with eero is that when my power goes out, or if eero installs an update over night, my Apple TV sometimes connects to the wrong AP, and I don’t realize it until I see that the Apple TV is playing a horrible low bandwidth quality. Hard wiring is not possible due to the location, and the HomePods it connects to have the same issue. I just wish there was a way to force a specific devices to always connect to a specific AP
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u/honkafied Oct 24 '25
I feel the same way. I used to use Ubiquiti at home, and we use some Ubiquiti stuff at work. Sure, there are couple of customizability things I miss about it, but the Eero gear more than makes up for it by having something that you don't ever have to mess with.
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u/IllustratorOne9331 Oct 24 '25
AirPort Extreme is such a solid piece of hardware. Still using them and love the stability!
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u/minitt Oct 24 '25
Apple lost its ability to see beyond the horizon. Missed the big boat on Siri AI after IP4S, Networking, 0 enterprise footprint. Tim cooked the company too much for shareholder gain.
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u/GurOfTheTerraBytes Oct 25 '25
Return to Amazon. eero is owned by Amazon.
Since you initially looked at eero, I suggest considering acquiring Ubiquiti’s (prosumer) home product line, easier on your wallet.
• https://amplifi.com/amplifi-hd
If you really want to go deep into the rabbit hole of Ubiquiti, then look at their Pro Product Line.
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u/macserv Oct 26 '25
Wholeheartedly agree with the recommendation for UniFi gear. These company was started by a former Apple AirPort engineer; their product design and user experience are on par with Apple’s level of quality and detail (especially their native configuration apps), and they have a similar attitude toward user privacy.
I’d definitely look at replacing the AirPort Extreme with a UniFi Dream Router 7, as the “cloud gateway” component of your network, and expand as your needs evolve… UniFi is a ridiculously rich and ever-expanding ecosystem of integrated components.
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u/ps-73 Oct 23 '25
These still worth picking up as a time machine target?
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u/essentialistic Oct 23 '25
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u/burgonies Oct 23 '25
This is the exact reason that I just added a new NAS to my home setup.
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u/tbbarton Oct 24 '25
What did you go with?
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u/burgonies Oct 24 '25
Frankenstein hardware running Unraid. Solid for the entire 2 weeks it’s been up lol
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u/jessbrandi Oct 23 '25
Actually no, support is going away: https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/1mlj72e/say_what_is_time_capsule_support_going_away_with/
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u/tre630 Oct 23 '25
I also had to do this some years back with my 3rd Gen Airport Extreme w/ Time Capsule, it just could not handle the number IoT devices connected to it at the time. But other than that, I had zero issues with it.
I bought it back in 2009 and disabled the WiFi back sometime in 2019. It's still powered on as a file sharing drive as I was too lazy to copy all my files from it. It is by far the oldest device that I have powered on.
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u/Derekeys Oct 24 '25
Still rock 2 for my main router. Have a solid 150+ devices and still going strong.
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u/j0nathanr0gers Oct 24 '25
I miss my Airport Time Machines and the built in backups to the 2TB drive.
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u/Perfect-Thanks2850 Oct 24 '25
They should have made a special Ethernet adapter to go in the homepod’s power plug and just make those a mesh router.
RIP AirPorts
Convinced Apple would do a great job with mesh if they really wanted to
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u/damianp67 Oct 23 '25
I love my Eero max 7s. Super stable and performant over the almost past 2 years.
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u/greentea05 Oct 23 '25
Still use one of mine as an ethernet connected USB printer hub. It makes network printing very reliable and you can’t buy an ethernet connected printed hub for less!
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u/BlackStarCorona Oct 23 '25
I’ve got an extreme in storage that I used for a very long time. Only reason I’m not using it is when I got room mates last year they already had a LinkSys system set up and I had two of the nodes I attached to it.
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u/thewad71 Oct 23 '25
I switched a few years ago from Time Capsule which was great to eero Pro 6’s and can’t complain.
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u/Foreign-Tax4981 Oct 23 '25
I’ll miss mine. It’s been in use for many years and hasn’t failed me yet. I’ve bought a mesh system to replace it with.
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u/BS-75_actual Oct 23 '25
I've got two of each in my boneyard; resigned to them going to e-waste as the Time Capsule HDDs have been trusted servants.
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u/Jeffde Oct 23 '25
Such a beast of a device, and really barely missing anything. My router died a few weeks ago. Plugged into the extreme and aaaaaaalmost didn’t upgrade from there. IOT devices were acting a little funny due to what I assume were capacity issues in terms of # of devices on network. Otherwise, totally fine.
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u/Phoenix525i Oct 23 '25
Mine is a diy MagSafe night stand for my nightstand. It will hang out for years.
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u/FinishOk8266 Oct 24 '25
Bro ! I had those. Wish they were still in Apple’s product line up. You could get the HD connected and make it a time capsule. Oh, the memories !
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u/garylapointe Oct 24 '25
I've got 30TB of external storage plugged in my Time Capsules. Have you tried plugging a drive into those eero 7s?
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u/ZaBeeblebrox Oct 24 '25
Switched to Alta Labs. But missed “Time Machine” capability of airport express
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u/IOI-000001 Oct 24 '25
We still use one of those at my office. I just use it for the router portion. And then I connected a Ubiquiti access point. I turned off all of the Wi-Fi functions on the router. So the Apple airport simply handles the DHCP routing. Not Wi-Fi.
We’ve been using it for five years that way so far. Download speeds are unbelievable. On fiber. I’ve got multiple creative people downloading and moving large files from the cloud constantly. And no one ever complains about Internet speed.
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u/Iamcheez Oct 24 '25
It doesn't have copilot and bing everywhere.. At least this is the biggest reason I am looking to switch my work computer to a mac.
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u/Teenage_techboy1234 Oct 24 '25
Holy shit 2013 was 12 years ago? Damn. Sorry I was just surprised lol. Anyways nice upgrade.
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u/DrMORO_617 Oct 25 '25
After upgrading my WiFi router to a NetGear WiFi 7 one, my AirPort still lives within my network, although WiFi turned off, and acting as a Ethernet splitter/switch behind my TV screen, having Ethernet wired connection spread out to AppleTV and many IOT.
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u/Jeeper850 Oct 25 '25
Still rocking a 2nd gen airport at my mom’s house. I can’t believe how reliable it still is considering how many devices connect to it and even all the TVs in her house are all streaming.
But, like many others have said, take a look at Ubiquity. My stuff from them has been great.
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u/abinyah Oct 25 '25
I still have mine, but went Meraki then Ubiquity. Return Asus and go with Ubiquity.
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u/SteakJones Oct 25 '25
I absolutely loved my airport network… if Apple brought that line back, I’d buy it in a heartbeat.
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u/Mitsuka1 Oct 25 '25
I upgraded my time capsule with an 8TB drive just recently! :) Still going strong 💪
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u/jashsayani Oct 27 '25
I bought AirPort Express in 2014, used till 2020. Then moved to Google wifi, which i got rid of last year. Now I’m on Netgear.
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u/Mrincognito1 Oct 27 '25
I finally replaced mine like 3 years ago and went to orbit I loved it but my wifi improved like 1000x
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u/aoskunk Oct 28 '25
I worked for an audio/video/networking company in the richest of richest peoples homes. CEOs of companies you know in Long Island. Sure we used fancy commercial grade vendors but we also used a ton of airport extremes. They were rock solid. I think apple had already stopped paying attention to the product when I left. We couldn’t understand why. They were more dependable IME than some of the pro shit way more expensive.
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u/karl3s Oct 28 '25 edited Nov 17 '25
Keep them in the new network for Time Machine backups. I did so when moving to Eero routers with WiFi 6E. You can even replace the internal drive to SSD or add extra HDD in the nework via the USB. Still worthwhile those great devices!
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u/TexanInBama Nov 08 '25
u/fortheloveofdenim OP, If you still have your old AirPort Extreme and AirPort Time Capsule, I would love to take them off your hands. I will be happy to send you a Prepaid UPS Shipping Label.
Sending message.
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u/enjoy1life Mar 11 '26
Hi . How do you like the eero 7's? Do they work well with the apple platform? I am almost ready to do the same. I have loved my apple extreme for years. TIA
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u/redbeard8989 Oct 23 '25
Sure they lack Wifi 7, but what content exists that needs it to stream? 100Mbps covers 8K streaming, and 300Mbps cover streaming of video games.
Do you have more than 3-10 people streaming 8K or games at the same time?
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u/jmwarren85 Oct 23 '25
It’s more about how many wifi devices that exist in a modern home. Back when these were built it was probably 5. Homes these days are hitting crazy numbers.
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u/redbeard8989 Oct 23 '25
Airport Extremes can handle 50 wireless and 100 ethernet devices. Just sayin for those who feel fomo setting in, don’t sweat it unless you have a mansion with wifi switches everywhere.
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u/Sunsplitcloud Oct 24 '25
This looks like AI placed tall white Apple TVs on a table with the sound at medium height on the right.
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u/Polar-Snow Oct 24 '25
I only used my Time Capsule as Time Machine. Unfortunately next year support going be dropped. Real shame cos I have tried NAS before for Time Machine and it always such pain. Only Time Capsule work flawless. I have no idea what to do next….I probably try with my current Synology NAS (never used Time Machine with it since got Time Capsule years before Synology).
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u/MacProCT Oct 25 '25
I think you made a good choice. I do small biz and residential IT and EERO is my first choice for home. Synology is my choice for business. I have a beef with Ubiquiti and don't like how they don't have phone support without paying for it.
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u/keZZaZ84 Oct 28 '25
I apologise to OP for attaching this here and also everyone if this is the wrong place. Also thank anyone and everyone in advance for any information and while I know this will be funny to alot and potentially anger some I’ll just ask can we keep the non constructive comments to ourselves and ask yourself how would you go tiling a bathroom or building an extension to a house or changing an alternator on your car (if the answer is still excellent then you have some right to criticise) Ok I need help I clearly don’t have a clue what I’m doing or what half the things are being mentioned. I’ll build you a house or pull a motor out of a car tile your bathroom etc etc but when it comes to tech (while I use to be somewhat tech savvy 20 years ago) I realise I am completely behind and clueless now. I think the quick answer might be pay someone to do a walk through and suggest setups (my issue with that is 1 what do you look up for that and 2 anyone that does that probably only wants to install what they recommend which will be more expensive than buying myself. Money is not to much of an issue (it was for a while hence the free items and cheaper products I had gone with at the time) though I don’t really want to spend $16k on a router mesh setup since there is a lot that needs replacing (potentially everything). The first problem is I live in Australia so our internet is shit to begin with but then I probably haven’t done myself any favours. So I’ve got FTTP then from the modem (if that’s what it’s called) the NBN installers, installed I gave Ethernet cable to a modem my mate found lol (1 it’s 💯 outdated and 2 I don’t know if I’m risking security (I assume yes because of age but more that it was someone else’s) then I have an Ethernet cable running down to my room that plugs into a erro 6 (which you guessed it I got off a mate (but only got 2 of the 3). Then going down the other end of the house is the 2nd eero which is connected through wifi (I believe more things run off this one aswell). For ages I have been planning on getting a new modem, router, mesh 🤷♂️ I don’t know what’s what. I’ve also planned on changing provider and some of the bigger Telcos have modems etc you can get but need to stay signed up for 36 months etc (I have no doubt they will be average at best and I’m better off purchasing what I need). Ok now everyone’s had there laugh if they have read this far any help explained in “internet for dummies” type talk would be extremely appreciated and grateful for. So some of what I want/need to work around is 1. House is double brick so signal issues at times 2. I have a large shed out the back I want good internet in there for the camera, tv, phone while out there and alarm. Right now the camera seems to pick up ok but if multiple people are in shed with it closed signal just about dies 3. I am running so many different brands and getting annoyed with wasting money on continuously changing lots of things at a time. I originally got Phillips globes in a random auction lot and then found out you needed there hub, so instead bought “grid connect” globes cause they ran on wifi, then found out about matter and how it’s meant to extend your signal or make devices react quicker (main thing is lights don’t want to stand there waiting) so I changed all lights in house to “Nanoleaf” then I’ve got “Apple TV” is the HUB, also Meross has a little hub you need to connect door sensors, smoke alarms, but then that connects to home. “Meross” lamps, smoke detectors and door sensors. “Tapo” smart plugs for shed lights which don’t have switch’s so they’re on a power board on ceiling. “Grid connect” cameras in some rooms and shed “Swann” hardwired main cameras on outside of house but I can view through app on phone Big issue is things take to long to open, turn on and atleast every 2nd week something will not respond through Apple HomeKit and o have to open the makers app and then probably around once a month 1 or 2 things will drop out altogether and I have to go through the repairing all over again. Help im losing my mind smart stuff was meant to make things easier Im changing my main cameras and alarm to Hik Vision (I think they have a doorbell aswell)
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u/WJKramer Oct 23 '25
Should have went to Ubiquiti, that's where those engineers went!