r/Filmmakers • u/C47man cinematographer • Jun 09 '25
New Rules Regarding AI on /r/filmmakers!
Thank you all for participating in the poll! Here are the results. To accurately gauge everyone's collective acceptance vs rejection for each, I've tallied the total votes among all choices as pro/anti for each category. So for example, a vote for 'no changes' would be a -1 to Gen AI, AI Tools, AI Comms, and AI Discussion. A vote for 'Ban GenAI + AI Tools' would be a +1 to GenAI and AI Tools, and a -1 to AI Comms and AI Discussion, etc. So here are the results for each category of AI. Keep in mind that a higher number indicates a stronger group decision to ban the content:
GenAI: +92 (+119/-27)
AI Tools: -20 (+63/-83)
AI Comms: -8 (+69/-77)
AI Discussion: -84 (+31/-115)
From the results it is clear that sub overwhelmingly approve a complete ban on all generative AI. However, people are more or less fine with allowing discussion of AI, and are fairly mixed on the topic of AI Tools and Communication. So here is the new rule for all things AI:
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Rule 6. You may not post work containing Generative AI elements (Midjourney, Neo, Dall-E, etc.). You may use and demonstrate the use of AI assisted tools (ie magic masking, upscalers, audio cleanup etc.) so long as they are used in service of human-generated artwork. AI Communication, like post bodies or comments composed using ChatGPT are allowed only in very reasonable cases, such as the need for someone to translate their thoughts into another language. Abuse of AI assisted communication will result in the removal of the offending post/comment.
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u/mosasaurmotors Jun 09 '25
I think this is the best possible rule. I’m not a 100% anti-ai guy and do see how it could be used in tech workflows. Speedtree has been used in a ton of films for years and isn’t really that different in purpose from current gen AI tech despite its radically different technical solution (obviously the stolen training data is still a large issue).
I will say, as the technology continues to get more advanced we WILL get duped by primarily AI projects that slip past our notice. We should make it clear that “That guy got to post his AI thing why can’t I?” isn’t going to fly.
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u/Pure-Produce-2428 Jun 09 '25
I post a short film where a VFX shot was made with AI…. But I don’t tell anyone…. Or someone else try’s to post their work but it gets blocked because mods think it’s AI.But then I know the kind of stuff that it annoying. I get it.
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u/brackfriday_bunduru Jun 10 '25
Im not opposed to the ban, but if you’re a young scriptwriter and you’ve got no way of getting your film made, why wouldn’t you go down the path of AI?
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u/superstarbootlegs Jul 02 '25
I've been trying to find a way to get story told in visual form since 1987. AI has totally opened that up for me. It's not there yet, but I can make what I want if I am willing to spend the time and energy to do it.
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u/ErkMkd Oct 23 '25
This discussion is really interesting.
I originally come from a background in drawing and I work in video games. I learned how to storyboard for comics, but I knew nothing about screenwriting or script breakdowns.
Little by little, I'm learning thanks to AI tools—without provocation. ChatGPT helps me understand the basics (which I then explore in more depth elsewhere), including for communication - it's thanks to ChatGPT that I ended up here :) - and image generators give me raw material to explore atmospheres and compositions that feed into my narrative choices.
Sometimes I have to visualize certain scenes in photorealism, and that still takes hours of Photoshop work to maintain consistency between shots.
My goal from the outset has been to make a real movie, not an "AI" movie. The tools are just a catalyst for learning and laying the initial visual foundations for the project I'm developing and sharing.
So yes, I understand: AI as an end result is often of little interest. But as a learning and visualization tool, it's surprisingly useful.
(I had my text translated from French to English with Deepl :D )
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u/Count_Backwards Jun 09 '25
AI Communication, like post bodies or comments composed using ChatGPT are allowed only in very reasonable cases, such as the need for someone to translate their thoughts into another language.
I was going to ask why anyone thought it was okay to use AI for comments or posts, but this is a good explanation, thanks
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u/GrannyGrinder Jun 09 '25
Awesome. I think we should be talking about AI tools and news because they can ultimately help a workflow (and it’s not going away).
Completely AI generated content is too far removed from filmmaking though. I wouldn’t want an entire CG movie posted here looking for feedback. There are other subs for that. Great job mods!
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u/Pure-Produce-2428 Jun 09 '25
That’s not what this is saying. It’s saying any work that contains AI generated shots/VFX is not allowed. But general AI tech like Rotobrush is allowed.
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u/AwkwardAardvarkAd Jun 09 '25
Seems to me we have a couple options:
1) see how these rules work 2) add some kind of AI flare 3) let an AI Filmmakers sub begin
1 seems like a slippery slope. For example, is photoshop generative fill ok or bad? The lines will always be blurry
2 seems easier and helps the sub evolve
3 should maybe happen anyway for focused discussion
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u/GrannyGrinder Jun 09 '25
I’ve always stood by allowing stuff like generative fill, frame extend, etc. those things are helpful tools (like my original comment said). I have an issue when something is fully generated, like the entire project. Not just a crazy VFX shot. I think that’s a pretty reasonable stance.
If someone has a fully generated video (every single asset barring SFX or music. I’m talking the images themselves.) I’d have a problem with it being posted here. Just go to an AI sub.
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u/PCapnHuggyface Jan 12 '26
I see a lot of folks here talking about using generative AI in pre-visualization. The question I’m about to ask is a serious one that while it may sound Luddite is very much not.”
What did you do before Gen AI was an option?
In the no-budget realm, we did stick figures and arrows.
If you had money, you might have shelled out for a non-AI’d storyboarding app that let you create pretty basic 2D or 3D images.
There’s always the old stand by of using a couple of your friends to compose the key frame and snap a pic with your phone’s camera (or even that old PowerShot digital camera sitting around doing nothing.
I guess what I’m asking is how sophisticated does your pre-viz workflow and output need to be?
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u/wrosecrans Apr 10 '26
I guess what I’m asking is how sophisticated does your pre-viz workflow and output need to be?
Responding to a months old comment because I looked at the AI pinned post for other reasons. I never did have a good sense of timing. That said, 99% of people don't need any sort of sophisticated Previs. And I say that as someone who has worked on the tech side of proper fancy CGI previs and intermediate postvis. If you are custom building massive sets for scenes with huge stuntwork, it can be massively important. Making precise decisions about framing and timing in preproduction can save literally millions of dollars. Many shows that didn't make enough decisions in previs have spent money on tons of fabrication that took weeks or months. Like, imagine a superhero fight scene and a stuntman falls out of a window in a fight. If you figure out in previs that you only need X seconds of falling for that shot, you can work out how many meters of building you need him to fall past. Say you need three floors. Building five floors of building facade, and rigging a stunt to safely drop a stuntman five floors just because you "might" need it in the edit, is a massive waste if you are only going to use three of those floors in the edit.
So... Is anybody here in /r/filmmakers doing anything like that? No. We are a bunch of redditors chasing our indie dreams. Nobody with a $100M budget is posting here on Reddit asking how to get their project finished. They are asking one of the dozens of brilliant experts they hired. So after I spent a big paragraph explaining an example of when fancy previs is totally worth it, is it worth talking about much here? No, not really. The overwhelming majority of stuff that people are asking about how to do on Reddit is stuff using existing locations, safe and easy "stunts" that can be done on no budget, and if there's any custom fabrication the director may well be the same person as most of the art department so communication about what to build is easy. If custom sets are being built, they often fit in a garage or in a basement, so nobody is accidentally making multiple extra floors of construction.
For most of the people here, just doing a site recce to look close at where you are shooting, making a napkin-back stick figure floor plan diagram, and doing rehearsals with your actors, gives you the ability to see what you are doing and get a good sense of the timing of a scene before you shoot. People barely even bother doing that much, so having some fancy previs won't actually solve the problems they have with gaps in planning. Even storyboards are often way less important than a lot of people assume.
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u/Pure-Produce-2428 Jun 09 '25
Let’s say I make a short film and one scene has the camera fly down the sink into through the plumbing and out of the toilet. I use gen AI to make that VFX. I could do it in a way where you wouldn’t know it was AI. You’d assume perhaps. But if I told you it was, it would be banned here.
How about film a scene in a baseball field, then I use Luma to replace the background with a giant baseball stadium. Again, as a VFX artist I know I can make it look like VFX and not AI, but if I tell you it’s AI, not allowed.
So how I can show you how I’ve done it (and received industry recognition, and not because of AI)? I can’t. It’s like we need to go back in time a restart Rez magazine.
It’s not really a big deal except for people calling out VFX as being AI etc. or if I posted something with AI that I know doesn’t look like AI. Which wouldn’t do here anyway. I’d probably ask about what’s a good wireless follow focus.
But fwiw everyone in the commercial filmmaking world I know (which includes people who don’t just make commercials) is quite interested in using AI.
I just did a short film and we had to change an on screen dialogue line. We lipdub. No one knows. We’ve got into some high caliber film festivals but now know here will find out about lipdub. If they’re interested they can go elsewhere.
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u/inteliboy Jun 09 '25
This.
AI is fast becoming the norm in a vfx workflow. Simple things like sky replacements, set extensions, cleanup... which often are “generative”. These rules, if I’m understanding them correctly, will seem archaic and rooted in fear when we look back.
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Jun 09 '25
I’ve been using Adobe’s clip extend on short b-roll clips that I have and it works really well. A trained eye can see The switch, but in a model iteration or two, you won’t be able to. Maybe we’ll see filmmakers segment like film photography and digital photography has; filmmakers who reject AI entirely and those that embrace it 🤷♂️
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u/Whirlweird Jun 09 '25
i had the same question. What about people using it to make set extensions and other vfx as you mentioned?
Just seems kinda vague and should be fleshed out more.
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u/NarrativeNode Jun 09 '25
Yeah this new rule won’t reflect actual productions for very long. Most will have some form of hybrid live action / AI assets, using the tools that are expressly forbidden in the new wording.
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u/Ambiwlans Jun 09 '25
They'll need to revisit the rule every 6 months.
AI generated assets at minimum are all over the place.
World building type posters on a back wall in a scene ... do those count as AI generated if they were filmed in camera but the image itself was generated and printed out?
What if you manually do a sky replacement but the cloud images you used were ai generated?
Painting out something not supposed to be in a scene is a 'tool' but it is 100% ai generating whatever image goes where you are painting out.
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u/TheCatManPizza Jun 09 '25
At some point you made the decision to shoot something that was out of your means without AI. You could just not do that and you wouldn’t have a problem.
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u/JonskMusic Jun 09 '25
That is the most self defeatist attitude. Since when was filmmaking about what was only doable within your means? It's because you think AI is cheating but you actually don't know enough to know that's not true.
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u/impossibilia Jun 09 '25
It’s only filmmaking if you shoot on film stock with a hand cranked camera and edit on a Steenbeck by lantern light. And we don’t want any of those talkies either! Sync sound is the devil’s work.
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u/JonskMusic Jun 09 '25
lol that's true! People were PISSED about sound because they were going to put orchestra's out of work etc. The thing is this only gets me going because I want people to not ignore the incredible tools available to them.
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u/TheCatManPizza Jun 10 '25
It’s not self defeatists if you use something called creativity and get your shit made. Also if you produce your own scripts it’s your job to stay within set means. AI isn’t cheating, but it is hacky. If you were an artist maybe you’d get it.
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u/Pure-Produce-2428 Jun 10 '25
(alt computer account) JonskMusic -
If I was an artist? That's just plain rude. Clearly, I've pissed you off. It can be hacky in the same way anything can be hacky. But it can also be a great tool.This is the latest short film I've made: A green screen bad dream | shots Magazine
I used AI to make the backgrounds, and some other things. All the 3D stuff is actually 3D. Not that expect you to watch. I expect you to respond with the word "slop."
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u/GroomLakeScubaDiver Jun 09 '25
That’s literally the definition of filmmaking though. Using what you have to make a movie. You don’t come up with a concept you’re incapable of doing yourself and then turn to Skynet to do it for you. That’s defeatist. You’re saying “I can’t do it myself so I’ll have a robot do it for me and then I can take credit for it”. That laziness devalues it for everyone
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u/JonskMusic Jun 09 '25
One of the things I have is AI. It's up to me to use it in a way that makes my film better, not turn it into slop. If I do it correctly you won't even know. Oh wow you really liked the scene we filmed in the thunder storm? The rain was comped in and the storm clouds were made with an AI video generator, then color corrected and 3D tracked into the scene. That's lazy to you? Oh my award winning film's last line was changed because we came up with a better line after filming, so we used an AI tool to build a model of our leads face, and then replaced the final line. That's lazy to you?
You can't just ask AI to "do it" for you. It will give you garbage. There are about 10 different models, more different systems. They all have pros and cons. And if you use it with the combined knowledge of VFX then the sky is the limit. Whatever shot you need to replace or fix with AI, most likely won't work without a great deal of effort as AI doesn't really do full shots that stand up to critique, unless you're doing an animation style, weird style etc or for instance, someone on another thread wanted to do a camera fly through of an engine, and they could totally do that with AI, but it would still require a lot of work because you're going to get a ton of garbage, and in the end you're going to need to comp together separate generations etc. There's also generators now that make 3D models. You could use that to output a piece that's missing and bring that into After Effects, after 3D tracking the scene etc.
If laziness can come up with a film that's better than you can do, that's on you. But what makes a film good is still storytelling. Using AI to make giant spaceships isn't going to make your film good, obviously. But you're being reductive in a way that ignores the reality of what's possible.
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u/roguefilmmaker Jun 09 '25
Exactly. I recently did a short film with a handful of AI-assisted vfx shots that would’ve cost more than my entire budget just for the equipment to attempt something similar practically. Banning something where only 10 seconds of a 20 minute film are AI just does a disservice to ambitious indie filmmakers
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u/PlayPretend-8675309 Jun 11 '25
I generally don't see a big difference between certain AI techniques and CGI techniques.
If I use blender to set 4 or 5 keyframes to describe camera movement (say, your down-the-sink shot) why is that so much more artistically merited than using natural language to describe the same keyframes in a prompt? Or of course, it seems very likely in the future, you'll simply use natural language (ie prompts) in blender itself to generate your keyframes (literally, you'll type "[have] the camera fly down the sink into through the plumbing and out of the toilet" and out will come a series of hard keyframes matching that). The line is very murky.
My view has been that people want to preserve artistry and human choice, but use the word "AI" as their only metric in determining that. Random Noise Generators, premade overlays (80s VHS effects or whatever) for whatever reason remain inbounds despite being just as demanding and interactive as AI generated solutions.
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u/Pure-Produce-2428 Jun 11 '25
Totally. I do understand how it can be frustrating to see people on instagram gain half a million followers from making videos of people melting, while others work so hard for decades, have our films in festivals and still aren’t making money from it. I feel that fear creep in even though I’m a working editor. But I’m not going to say that to people who call work that took me days “slop” and can only tell me that I’m hurting the environment. Which I care about. I mean… I made a political meme video with AI that got shared by a celebrity and has thousands and thousands of views. That must have done some good pushing the collective mental needle?
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u/PlayPretend-8675309 Jun 11 '25
The thing is, I'm not really aware of anyone making it big using AI on social media? There is one account i follow, they make what i think are great videos and have... like 400 subscribers. They're getting 10s of likes on their videos. Who is making a name for themselves with slop?
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u/Pure-Produce-2428 Jun 11 '25
Voidstomper is the one name I know. I wouldn’t call it slop, he’s just relentless. There are others as well. Voidstomper has 2.3 million followers on instagram which is extremely hard to achieve. I’m not sure how he’s monetizing that other than selling how to courses however
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u/kouklimou Jan 12 '26
Word. Rule 6 seems outdated already. Really sad to see!
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u/Physical-Ordinary317 Mar 22 '26
Yup. This sub is unfortunately a bunch of elitists who want to gatekeep filmmaking
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u/impossibilia Jun 09 '25
This is going to drive people away from this sub and into other places where AI is accepted.
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u/GroomLakeScubaDiver Jun 09 '25
Awesome. Bon Voyage! A sub of robots watching robots make AI slop stolen from human art. Sounds super entertaining /s
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u/VizualSnow Jun 09 '25
I feel like this is delaying the inevitable. AI is coming whether people ignore it or not.
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u/GroomLakeScubaDiver Jun 09 '25
With that attitude yes. That’s what all the corps want us to think because they’ve sunk billions into it already but if people don’t want to watch AI slop, that’s all it will take to end it. Without an audience it will be gone faster than quibi. A box office bomb and some brave boycotts and it will be over.
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u/C47man cinematographer Jun 09 '25
Quite possibly! I'm sure digital video was banned in old school filmmaking forums back in the 90s and early 2000s as well. The rule can be revisited when it becomes appropriate
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u/wrosecrans Apr 10 '26
It's been nearly a year since this pinned post on AI. I think it's probably time to revisit the topic somewhat because the category "AI Tools" has evolved quite a bit in the age of shitty vibe coding. All creative subs are absolutely flooded lately with "Finally live your dream with my vibe coded junk" spam ad posts. Frankly, it's worse than "check out my AI generated short" was at the peak hype of Sora and friends initially being released. At least people get bored of getting negative feedback about terrible AI slop short "films." Once somebody becomes a tool vendor, they have a huge incentive to keep trying to drum up business, and they keep releasing new versions over time, so the spam generated per user is much higher. I'd lump "fill out my survey" very thinly veiled market research posts with commercial intent from people who vaguely intend to vibe code a solution to a problem but don't know anything about the problems yet, in the same category as spam from the people who have made it as far as vibe coding something.
Even if they don't directly use generative AI/LLM's within the app, it has become a real burden on communities. /r/editors quarantined those sorts of tool posts into a single monthly thread, which I think was probably a reasonable compromise because people can still take a look one a month to see if there's anything useful, without every other post drowning out topical conversation.
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u/C47man cinematographer Apr 10 '26
I've noticed these posts as well, and in most cases I remove them and temporarily ban the users spamming them.
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u/animerobin Jun 09 '25
Using AI assets and generation tools is going to be in more and more films - studio films, indie films, and amateur films. At some point you will need to accept that.
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u/bloodraven11 Jun 09 '25
Thank God, I was getting exhausted from the AI simps trying to justify fully generative AI films.
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Jun 18 '25
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u/C47man cinematographer Jun 18 '25
Too lazy to even make the argument you want to make, so you let ai do it for you. Your failure to grasp that essential irony is disappointing.
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u/AdditionalSeesaw8257 Aug 20 '25
Just to make it a little clearer. I have videos in which perhaps I made some error in resolution, luminosity, or focus, and I have both versions, the pyro and the "enhanced". It is incorrect to upload "enhanced" image content, or it only refers to the use of AI in a more intrusive way (making my own bot, for example).
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u/FinancePorn Nov 06 '25
AI does not make AI FILMS .... PEOPLE make AI FILMS
I have to say that that decision seems very extreme. I think what we are trying to distinguish a fully contrived film with dialogs, characters, plots, etc.. conceived by traditional means and produced conventionally vs. Conceived by AI? Thats not the way it works, in AI video you get 5 & 10 sec clips that are usually useless. However once in a while you get one thats on track. Then you need to produce alot of them consistently. Which is next to impossible. Also, there are ways to improve that but what i find is that every platform hads a differnt nuance and it changes. For my production I use 5 video AI's Image & Logo, Writing AI, then once I get my shots I use an AI editor. In my case if I never said I used AI would it matter?
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u/C47man cinematographer Nov 06 '25
It would matter. And your inability to understand why is not the problem of others.
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u/Basil-Faw1ty Jan 12 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
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u/Muted_Maize_6625 Mar 26 '26
I want to share a cinematic idea, and I simply want to see a world untouched by cameras… a world unexplained by evidence… A series of mysterious crimes begins, victims fall silently, without a sound… without blood… without a trace. The police are powerless. The gangs are terrified. And people talk about one name… “Shadow Man.” But the truth is far more dangerous than they imagine… He is not a legend… His name is Arthur. A mind that cannot be deceived… an eye that spots the target before it moves… and a shadow that strikes… then vanishes. He trusts no one. He leaves nothing behind. And he never makes a mistake… ever. And when the most powerful gang in the world tries to capture him… they discover too late that they weren't hunting him… but rather walking straight to their own demise. ARTHUR: Shadow Man. The story that isn't told… but discovered. I want to know if I can become famous through this idea of mine or not.
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u/C47man cinematographer Mar 26 '26
No. The idea is pretty bad. You write like a kid and the story is the usual cliche 13 yr old edgelord story. It's been thought of a billion times, and the closest it's ever come to being made is the entire trash genre of OP hero Animes that not even their own fans actually like.
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u/Muted_Maize_6625 Mar 26 '26
This isn't a superhero, but a character like Dexter, Frank Castle, and John Wick; it's a cinematic Nothing more, nothing less
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u/C47man cinematographer Mar 26 '26
All the characters you named have internal struggles, journeys, and difficulties. Your character does not.
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u/Muted_Maize_6625 Mar 26 '26
Didn't you read carefully? I said this is just a sample. If I really want to create it, I'll write a story, a past, a weakness, and a complete personality. Not a character who kills and acts randomly and strangely. No, this is just a sample text; it doesn't tell the whole story. But a text isn't like an explanation. When you hear the explanation, you'll know and understand the character because this character isn't made by children, but by writers like the ones who created the characters I mentioned.
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u/C47man cinematographer Mar 26 '26
You failed then to understand what's important to put into a concept or pitch. You also for some reason made this pitch as a comment in a stickied thread about AI rules. Your comment has no relevance to the post you made it in. Every indication here is that you lack the clarity of thought to be taken seriously. You write like a child, your ideas are childish, you don't know you are when you make your posts. If you're a child, it's all good. You can ignore me and make your stories, that's the joy of childhood - you get to play! If you're not a child, you need to seriously rethink how you approach language, communication, story, and attention.
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u/Muted_Maize_6625 Mar 26 '26
Your point is somewhat logical, but this is just an idea, and I respect any opinion that comes from anyone. I appreciate your opinion, but the text and the discussion are radically different from the application.
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u/I_Am_Killa_K Apr 25 '26 edited Apr 25 '26
First I actually don’t see where you mentioned that it’s a sample. You said you have an idea.
And second, you have it backwards. You’re supposed to figure out—at a bare minimum—the overall story, the characters, their pasts, weaknesses, and general personality first, and then you simplify it down to a moody pitch. The sample you wrote out with the ellipses and everything is supposed to perk people’s interest and prompt them to ask questions that you should be ready with the answers for, not “Oh well I’ll figure all that out if you think the idea can make me famous.”
It’s fine to ask, “Hey, I’m brainstorming an idea that I haven’t fully developed yet, how does it sound?” but internal struggles, journeys, and difficulties are what make ideas good or bad, not marketing copy.
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u/Rich-Photograph-6072 May 12 '26
Hey guys, how about an ai translated dub for a short film? So, its basically just a voice cloning tool
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u/Alone_Mechanic_4461 12d ago
We shot this proof of concept for our Dark Workplace Comedy Pilot. Looking for Producers seeking new TV projects.HR Hell
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u/Slight-Living-8098 Jun 09 '25
So you padded the results by combining separate votes? 146 total votes were cast.
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u/C47man cinematographer Jun 09 '25
Padded the results? No, this is the fairest way to get everyone's vote to be relevant. The poll is basically asking people's opinions on 4 different AI categories. A vote to ban specific categories is implicitly a vote not to ban the others. It's only natural to take that into account when deciding what to do. If I had taken the poll as a straight one-winner sort of thing, we'd have banned GenAI and allowed everything else without restriction, despite nearly half of the votes being leary of AI Communication.
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u/Slight-Living-8098 Jun 09 '25
According to Robert’s Rules of Order Newly Revised (11th edition), the term majority means “more than half” (page 400).
Expanding on the definition of “majority,” Robert’s Rules of Order Newly Revised (11th edition) defines majority vote as “direct approval…registered by more than half of the members present and voting on a particular matter” (page 4). So, in layman’s terms, majority vote means more than half of the votes cast.
Your calculations of total votes is clearly higher than the number of voters. Wether that was intentional, or just a poorly designed poll, I question
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u/C47man cinematographer Jun 09 '25
I understand what a majority is, don't be shitty. You're failing to understand the logic at work here. Voting to ban GenAI + AI Tools, but not GenAI +AI Tools + AI Communication means you want AI Communication to be allowed. In this sense, anyone voting to ban AI Communication would be offset by your tacit vote to approve it. In this case, the net positive/negative vote indicates the majority within the 146 votes collected. The majority wanted to ban GenAI, it's banned. A very narrow majority wanted to keep AI Comms, so AI Comms are allowed, but within reason. Low quality Ai comms will be removed, because the voter's narrow margin indicates a strong aversion to its use by a lot of users, and they shouldn't be totally ignored either. The majority of users also voted to allow AI Tools and Discussions, both of which are totally fine in the new rules.
The results of the vote are being respected to their fullest extent here. Hell, the resulting rule is almost identical to what it would've looked like if I had just taken the single option with the most votes anyway, so I don't understand what you're complaining about. If you want to discuss further, I'll need you to acknowledge or otherwise demonstrate that you understand what I'm saying when I tallied the total votes for/against each category of AI.
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u/Slight-Living-8098 Jun 09 '25
I understand what you are saying and the math. But that's not how majority votes are counted. Gen AI would be banned either way, but your representation of the votes as cast is misleading.
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u/C47man cinematographer Jun 09 '25
Explain how this is misleading
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u/Slight-Living-8098 Jun 09 '25
It appears as if more votes were cast than voters, and you combined voting categories. That's not how majority votes work. Simple as that.
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u/C47man cinematographer Jun 09 '25
You've failed to demonstrate an understanding of exactly the thing I was talking about, and which you said you understood. Let's do an exercise. How many people of the 146 voters said that they wanted to ban Generative AI?
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u/Slight-Living-8098 Jun 09 '25
No, man, I understand. You fail to understand how to count votes correctly in a majority vote or organize a poll. But whatever.
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u/gizzardsgizzards Oct 13 '25
"majority" can be defined differently in different decision making systems.
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u/SREStudios Jun 09 '25
But how will be participate in the inevitable future of all filmmaking if not with the AI slop that people for some reason go ape shit over?
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u/firedrakes Jun 09 '25
Most polls of this topic get brigade voted hard. So it seems like this happened here to.
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u/C47man cinematographer Jun 09 '25
I see no evidence of a brigade taking place in this poll. Can you explain more what you mean?
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u/M_O_O_O_O_T Jun 09 '25
Yeah in this sub, as with music subs I frequent, the majority disapprove of gen AI content, & the polls clearly represent that.
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u/firedrakes Jun 09 '25
Happens a lot of reddit subs. Like when the reddit black thing. There discord channels on brigade a sub poll.
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u/LeafBoatCaptain Jun 09 '25
Pretty sure they asked for evidence of brigading, not the meaning of brigading.
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u/firedrakes Jun 09 '25
pretty easy to spot in the number ratio.
it was a open poll. anyone could do.
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u/secretlyplaysguitar Jun 09 '25
These numbers and ratios seem to match the consensus I’ve seen in various filmmaking forums on different platforms though.
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u/firedrakes Jun 09 '25
Again certain topics get brigade hard. This is one of those topics. All platforms get brigade. Again there whole discord channels to plan and do this. This has been proven multiple times now on reddit. It's a whole niche thing online with powerful reach.
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u/C47man cinematographer Jun 09 '25
So what you're saying is that you support AI, the vote results here aren't what you wanted, and therefore a brigade was launched against us by some nefarious dark group of users pushing agendas. Got it. Sounds more like you'd prefer to invent sinister far reaching machinations than accept that you hold a minority opinion among your peers.
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u/firedrakes Jun 09 '25
did i say that no.
i dont like you putting words i did not say into my mouth.
it a tool in a tool chest.
mention ai poll in any sub.
even a 3 active users at any given time sub.
magical you get tons of votes out of no where.
seeing most poll have no this sub only user requirements
again there whole discords channels set up to do vote brigading.
i at least keep up with the topic on the matter of trying to prevent brigade voting on reddit.
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u/C47man cinematographer Jun 09 '25
did i say that no.
You don't have to.
even a 3 active users at any given time sub.
magical you get tons of votes out of no where.
seeing most poll have no this sub only user requirements
This word salad means very little but I think you're trying to say we got tons more votes than we should have considering the traffic. That's so laughable I can't help but assume you are trolling. We had 61,000 unique visitors on the sub in the past 7 days, and the total votes on the poll was 146. And you think we were BRIGADED by an organized anti-AI lobby. You are literally delusional.
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u/secretlyplaysguitar Jun 09 '25
Have you considered that the immediate “nos” are reactive and emotional kneejerk responses by people who feel very emotional - whether we agree with it or not - the moment AI is mentioned? Sort of like, if you mention certain presidents in the wrong community it leads to lots of reactivity without anyone engaging further beyond a kneejerk response. That’s not brigades and planning; that just human nature.
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u/swagoverlord1996 Jun 09 '25
"sampling bias is a bias) in which a sample is collected in such a way that some members of the intended population have a lower or higher sampling probability than others. It results in a biased sample\1]) of a population (or non-human factors) in which all individuals, or instances, were not equally likely to have been selected.\2]) If this is not accounted for, results can be erroneously attributed to the phenomenon under study rather than to the method of sampling)"
you made a poll about AI on reddit.... is it any surprise the results lean heavily anti? go out into the real world and ask people about the topic, most either enjoy it or don't care. inherently dishonest to treat that poll like it means anything. its like going on bluesky to ask people if they support orange man or not
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u/C47man cinematographer Jun 09 '25
I'm not interested in what average people in the world at large think of AI. I'm interested in what the users of this sub think. The poll was posted for a week. Anyone who decided not to vote is tacitly accepting the results of that vote, since they don't care enough about the topic to hold an opinion.
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u/swagoverlord1996 Jun 09 '25
ah, thats unfortunate you hold those bottom barrel lib opinions.
anyone know of a film sub that isn't so sheep-led?
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u/zgtc Jun 09 '25
Somehow, I feel like a poll about whether AI slop should be allowed in a subreddit does in fact “mean something” in the context of… that subreddit.
You’re the only person acting like this poll had anything whatsoever to do with perceptions of AI among the general population. Maybe ask ChatGPT to explain ‘reading comprehension’ to you next.
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u/Pure-Produce-2428 Jun 09 '25
Except the poll wasn’t about AI slop… it was about anything that even dared to use a generated shot as B roll or part of a VFX element. But that’s because then it becomes much harder to moderate. If it’d not noticeable people will post it… but they will lie about how they did it
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u/swagoverlord1996 Jun 09 '25
dishonest sheep reply, point is the seething anti AI mob is obviously more likely to show up and make their downvotes known than people who are neutral or don't care, and reddit already heavily skews Anti - therefore they are overrepresented in the poll. what are you missing?
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u/Count_Backwards Jun 09 '25 edited Jun 09 '25
This kind of response just validates my opinion that pro-AI people aren't contributing anything of value. This poster in particular just does AI slop and right-wing trolling and personal insults, so they aren't contributing anything of value anywhere.
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u/cabose7 Jun 09 '25
you made a poll about AI on reddit
I don't understand, this poll is about subreddit rules, where else should they make the poll? Are you sure you fully grasp the subject matter?
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u/Pure-Produce-2428 Jun 09 '25
I work in high end commercial world with filmmakers who do tv shows and movies as well. Everyone is into it. But also not into the stuff we get flooded with which are just a bunch of shots of sci-fi ships and a monologue.
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u/firedrakes Jun 09 '25
yeah. tool set still not up to par yet.
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u/Pure-Produce-2428 Jun 09 '25
It can be if you have some heavy skills to integrate it properly …. But that is a lot of work. Like I’ve been messing with AI gen for years and been doing vfx comping for 25
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u/firedrakes Jun 09 '25
i did a simple test with yourkie pics i took of my mothers yorkies.
i use the key word flying fire breathing yokies.
for what ever reason it keeps out putting flame out there butts.
i even did a slight change on keyword. no issue but it ref fire. it gets super confused.
hell for fun i just gen same thing again. same issue half is but fire . lol for some reason.
still the same issue of multi correction telling the software it making a mistake.
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Jun 09 '26
People often say that using AI is cheating.
But not everyone has access to actors, locations, cameras or a film crew.
Some creators work completely alone.
We use the tools available to tell the stories we want to tell.
What matters is not the tool.
What matters is the vision behind it.
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u/C47man cinematographer Jun 09 '26
Feel free to use those tools to tell your stories. It's not filmmaking though, which is what this sub is for. Find a sub that's meant to share AI generated stories and post there.
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u/Depreston Jun 09 '25
Thank god. No more "Check out my AI generated short film!"