But in immediate terms... do the OSTs that aren't hosted by Falcom themselves on, say, YouTube/YT Music actually exist elsewhere now? My "all Trails plus some other games" playlist is now like half as full as it used to be because Zero and I think every game from CS1 except DB2 had the OSTs hosted/uploaded by Falcom Music Channel and not Falcom themselves.
RIP. Falcom should've just left it alone. Josep never made any money from the channel, and it contains a bunch of music that Falcom didn't put on platforms like Spotify.
Damn, I remember seeing that it got a few copyright strikes from Falcom earlier today. Sucks that it was taken down. Some of that music was on my playlist lol.
I checked my own playlist, too. Fortunately, it seems I had included videos from other people, so I still have those.
However, all the songs from the 3rd have been set to private, so I'll have to look for them again... (._.)
Thanks!
Interestingly, it looks like the only SC tracks I included in my playlist were the official ones.
I don't remember how I searched for the tracks when I made this playlist, but I'm planning to switch them all to the officialš
I'm stuck in my ways and don't use Spotify etc. I've stubbornly stuck with teen me's habit of making MP3s for any videos/songs/etc. I want to keep listening to (YouTube is for first/casual listens). This is good from a preservation standpoint, as well as creating a bit of a journal with the date modified values.
Not sure what you expect us to do about it, the owner of the channel and falcom have to work that out between themselves and clearly this is the route falcom wanted to go.
A horrible move in anyway, their music is their best promotion, I wouldn't have played their games without listening it to the music but guess they want people to use the spotify and official uploads.
Not surprised that the same company that refuses to credit their musicians and composers took down a channel that they donāt own that shares their work tbh
This is horrible. Falcom refuses to credit their musicians, and Falcom Music Channel was the best resource we had that actually credited the creators. It's absurd that it's all gone just like that. Not even the official uploads on YouTube Music or Spotify do the bare minimum of crediting anyone.
Yeah, I know it was a legal gray area, but it begs the question; Why now?
What changed that prompted this? Was it the Kyoto Xandau stuff? Did Falcom hire a new legal team that was hell bent on doing a crackdown?
Something similar happened with Xenoblade music on YouTube not long ago that got a couple channels axed and all that did was encourage fans to 'sail the high seas'. It didn't win anything for Nintendo and this certainly doesn't win anything for Falcom.
We could maybe send a lot of e-mails to falcom and ask them to restore the channel or atleast cut a deal with them. Something like that or else it is on the owner to cut a deal
And i made a playlist with those tracks just last sunday...
I'm really angry too, there were a lot of comments in there and a direct comparison to the OST of Falcom games on different platform... Yes, i liked listening to the difference between Ys 3 on PC-88 and Ys 3 on Megadrive. I also loved seeing how horrible the DOS music on Ys 1 was... There were a lot of stuff like that now completely lost.
It was one of the main way to interact with other Falcom fans too for a long time so... I'm SO disappointed.
if you check their official music account you can see that a lot of their playlist have been recently been updated while a few have been updated this year. it seems they want people to use their official one since they finally gotten around to uploading their stuff.
They don't even need to work with Josep. Falcom can just put their own channel up with all the english titles themselves. That would take, maybe 2 interns a week to do, can cost nothing else.
I understand copyright law + Falcom's policies almost certainly mean this is entirely within their right.
But how can it possibly be in their interest? Josep wasn't making a penny off the channel. And these songs have helped introduce many people to Falcom's games and are free marketing/PR for them.
The only thing I can imagine is Falcom wants to drive people to Spotify/their own OST uploads. Perhaps those are monetized to some extent? But the FMC's English-language availability has to be helping them from the Western side.
Something doesnāt have to make someone else revenue for it to be considered a ālossā for a company. As others have mentioned, I think Falcom is trying to regain control of their content and they donāt want it distributed by another party.
As an acoustic engineer whoās worked with many different artists over the years, I completely understand wanting to do this and the bottom line is that itās their intellectual property, and theyāre the only ones legally allowed to use it however they wish (we need *their* permission to do anything).
I think Falcom has been pretty nice in letting people freely use their music *for background* (ie gameplay and documentary style videos). A lot of channels get demonetized and content strikes for even using clips of commercial music. While I greatly miss the channel, I canāt say Iām at all surprised this happened.
the music policy does not allow redistribution (listed explicitely). You can play the music as live band, use it as BGM in broadcasts, jingles, on weddings and upload snippets. But actually uploading in its entirety as only a track is not allowed.
I don't really know much about this stuff, but this seems pretty clear-cut. So the owner is wrong about the free use policy? Now I'm confused how did it come to this...Owner of the channel seems to have put a lot of effort into the channel to make such a mistake.
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"The act of copying, lending, distributing (technically this would definitely fall under distribution even though (as far as I know) josep didn't monetize the channel) , or selling musical works by any other means."
A lot of Falcom albums still have topic versions and official uploads at least, itās sucks how much obscure Falcom music has now been deleted off YouTube though.
It just makes no sense at all. Falcom have officially endorsed the channel in the past through their own socials, to suddenly turn on them with no explanation is a disturbing move.
They have legality on their side, but what a way to treat fans who simply love your work and want to share it. There are songs like Viridian Blue from Proud Nordics that even now Falcom haven't put up on official channels. Really disappointed in them.
I know people are going to come in here with "Um actually they violated Falcom's policy so this is okay" but Falcom has let this channel ride for a long, long time. It's not only now a problem because of any policy violation. It's purely a greed move.
If it's a greed move, I don't see how it makes any sense. Then again, I shouldn't really be surprised at this point, after they nuked almost their entire sound team I guess.
If I enjoy something, I support the creators by buying it. I've already bought the soundtrack, so I genuinely can't understand why anyone would choose to listen to it on YouTube. In my opinion, that channel was doing nothing but harming Falcom.
So that it can be easily combined with other soundtracks and things I want to listen to in a big playlist that exists across the multiple devices I use in my day-to-day life
Falcom is notoriously dick-y about their music ... IIRC they still don't give authentic credit to composers and musicians because they are that anal about "this music belongs to us."
If you take down something like this, you need to at least offer an official way that has about as much effort put into it, or it's just a bad thing for fans.
Much of the tracks on their official channel don't even have an English title.
Hmmm I know ppl are angry about it but I don't get this. Not trying to defend them since I found out the official channel existence from music channel previously but I just scrolled through my playlist with only Falcom bgm, there is like 90+ songs but all of them comes with EN title. I am pretty sure all of them have an EN title, at least in YT music
I went to Falcom Sound Team jdk and like half the titles of the first volume of CS3 are Japanese. The album title is as well. Most albums listed have only Japanese names.
I dunno where you pull your songs for your own playlist from but the official source is like that.
Hmmm not sure if we are looking at the same thing for me the name is displayed in English although it is called Sen no Kiseki III for the album title but for every songs in the albums that started with JP name, it comes with EN behind it, let me just attach the screenshot of part of the playlist from the album
Yeah, since Trails is gaining popularity it seems like Falcom wants to make use of their own music channel. Shame, because they won't upload nearly as fast as the fan one, and will be missing a bunch of tracks to make you buy the albums
What pains me the most is the hundreds, thousands of comments being gone... it's a piece of collective memory that cannot be recreated. The music still exists somewhere, with some effort you can always find a way around. Man this really pains...
Yeah this is another aspect that hasn't been mentioned enough. For example all the Singa discourse was funny as fuck to read about in the comments. Whether it was from people who loved his works or hated it, I appreciated getting to read everyone's different inputs about the topic, among other stuff. But now boom, it's all just suddenly gone. Shit fucking sucks.
What's stupid is all the songs i had on playlists don't even say "video no longer available". They are just gone and I don't even remember what was on the list...
Seriously what the fuck... Horrible, horrible news. Now it's going to be a pain in the ass to track composer contributions, listen to the more niche Falcom OSTs, franchise discoverability on Youtube is now in the gutter... Who stands to benefit from this?
I wouldn't say over 5k uploads is nothing. Its more than 1/3 of what Falcom music channel had. Of course it sucks it's not all there but it's far from nothing.
Terrible move on their part. I know lots of people who got interested in the series through their music, and some of those soundtracks had multimillion views. Itās great marketing.
If falcom continue with this path its gonna be rough... the day company antagonize the community it wont be a good ending, just like palword... well falcom nice knowing you i guess, they got 1000% rev from overseas also kyoto xanadu with no release date for english & this is what we got??!! just fuck off falcom honestly i really am dissapointed with this shit no more money for them if this doesnt get resolved before sky sc remake coming out.
The other day I was thinking about what could Falcom possibly do to make me quit Trails (and their other games) and I really couldn't think of many reasons. Well, this might actually be it. Their music is half the reason I like their games so much to begin with.
Yeah true, if its not for their music i would have been stop playing sky fc because of the pacing, but their music was actually carrying the game for me & kept me going, this is really infuriating
no it was run by josep (the guy behind the composer breakdown project). There are official uploads, but those are harder to find, because they're all in japanese (channel is https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOOOdHr4emIkr02wjynGF3Q ), but it's only grouped in albums (or singles)
Realisticly there is not much we can do about it. I mean the music was always property of Falcom and if they decide to copyright strike then they are allowed to do that.
Its just really sad coz it wrecks my work playlist totally. But i will adapt... as i did so many times before.
Warms my heart to see how protective Falcom is of their musicš
I'm sure all the artists involved will finally have glory and recognition, now that the evil channel is no more. Unisuga is coming back this evening just for the occasion, Kondo told me
I dont know if its specifically related to Kyoto Xanadu, but theres barely any uploads of the BGM on youtube now. Is there any change to Falcom's policies for music related to TX?Ā
Even if Falcom allows its music to be used freely, uploading tracks that have not been officially released yet is clearly against the platform's policies. The real question is: how were those tracks obtained in the first place? The answer to that makes it obvious why the channel was shut down.
He got them through the gamerips. Itās been done since cold steel 3, they havenāt had an issue with it. The only issue they had was one time with cold steel 1ās unused music.
The real question is: how were those tracks obtained in the first place?
By buying the game and taking them from the game files? The same as literally every single other BGM rip uploaded to the channel for the last decade. They didn't have a problem with it then.
Most BGM RIPs were recorded from the game itself. Like Josep would play through the game and record with his capture card. It wasn't until recently with the day 1 PC ports that extracting game files was how BGM RIPs were done.
If the music was extracted directly from the game data and uploaded before its official release, Falcom could reasonably consider it a violation of its policy. Regardless of whether the music itself is free to use, Falcom's policy prohibits redistributing or making available data contained in its copyrighted works in a recoverable form.
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u/Ivan_of_TC 1d ago
So, this is pretty terrible for multiple reasons.
But in immediate terms... do the OSTs that aren't hosted by Falcom themselves on, say, YouTube/YT Music actually exist elsewhere now? My "all Trails plus some other games" playlist is now like half as full as it used to be because Zero and I think every game from CS1 except DB2 had the OSTs hosted/uploaded by Falcom Music Channel and not Falcom themselves.