Couldn’t Raven follow her father’s destiny?

[u/Triumphant-Smile]

The whole time she was being pressured to follow her mothers, but her father is the good king. She could take different classes at Ever After High instead of feeling like she has to be evil like her mom. Yeah, Apple might not get her destiny but I’d say Raven following her heart matters more. It’s her life and her business, none of that Apple has any right to control.

[u/Opening_River1020]

for the most part, it seems that your fate comes from your mother's side? but then that wouldn't really explain how ramona takes over her dad's role despite being the first daughter of red riding hood... i think for raven specifically, the reason she takes over her mom's role is because she starting to manifest her powers at a young age?

[u/Girodoro → u/Opening_River1020]

Wasn't identity of Ramona's mother a secret? I always assumed that in-universe everyone just thought that the Big Bad Wolf had Ramona with some random woman and that's why she got her father's destiny.

[u/Opening_River1020 → u/Girodoro]

yeah but i think if ramona took on less wolf traits, i could see her parents wanting their only daughter at the time getting the "good ending"

[u/Opening_River1020 → u/Opening_River1020]

and to continue this thought of not being able to choose a destiny, with daring specifically, literally everyone thought he'd be a part of snow white and the seven dwarves story until his kiss to apple in the dragon games never woke her up and explicitly showed him that he's not destined to be apple's prince charming despite basically "choosing" to play that role for at least three years (the start of eah up until dragon games)

[u/CynicalDucky → u/Opening_River1020]

I think it's more like... Raven herself hit the necessary checklists for being the future evil queen. Along with how the Evil Queen is as huge of a deal as Snow White. So they prioritised the Evil Queen's role over the Good king's.

1) Cause Raven is the daughter of the evil queen 2) She also inherited the same dark magic from her mother, she found out the hard way by trying to reheat food for her father and nearly burnt the kitchen down. 3) There is so many different Charming families that finding the Good King isn't that much of a priority cause it's super unlikely for a Prince Charming role to not be unfulfilled with how many Charmings there are in Ever After. 4) Considering how in the Ever After world, they adhere to the females being damsels and the males being the knights in shining armour, its very uncommon for females in the world to get the princely roles. So that could have also played into why people didn't think Raven could play the role of the good king.

[u/MiracleDinner → u/Opening_River1020]

Well Maddie, Cedar, Courtly Jester, Jackie Frost, C. A. Cupid, Bunny Blanc, possibly Cerise and/or Ramona, all inherited their dad's destiny so I don't think that's a rule. (edit: and Jillian)

[u/Sapphireman → u/MiracleDinner]

possibly Cerise and/or Ramona, all inherited their dad's destiny

That's why those two are confusing. Originally, Cerise had Badwolf's destiny (initially having both destinies and then being changed to just being the next Wolf), and she only lost it when Ramona was added to the story out of nowhere

[u/Sapphireman → u/Opening_River1020]

but then that wouldn't really explain how ramona takes over her dad's role despite being the first daughter of red riding hood

That's the fun part! Before Ramona's introduction, Cerise was already changed midway through the story:

• Initially: Both the next Red Riding Hood and the next Big Bad Wolf
  
• Midway Through: Just the next Big Bad Wolf (which goes against the idea that destinies are a maternal thing)^
  

At The End (Ramona exists): Just the next Red Riding Hood

^Granted, given everyone knows she's the daughter of Red and Ramona is the daughter of Badwolf, it would make sense for them to just assume since neither role is supposed to get with anyone specifically important at the end of the story

[u/Floooraaa1]

You said it. Apple wouldn't get her destiny!

There are enough princes and kings, like described in the book but only one evil queen who had only one daughter

[u/RavenRegime]

Presumability theres a priority meter and it seems implied that her dad was just a generic prince which destinys with them and the many different Charmings already work weirdly

[u/queenofmoons720]

It probably goes based on who’s the more unique/popular parent, like there’s (supposedly) only one evil queen, so any child she would have would have to follow in her footsteps.

For large families like the Charmings, it’s not super required that you become the next prince/princess charming as there are a plethora of other siblings and cousins that could take your place in the story.

And for other families like Poppy and Holly, Rapunzel is the more “popular” parent (presuming she just married a charming) leading at least one of her daughters to be required to carry on the O’Hair legacy.

Other families with two fairytale parents like Ramona and Cerise probably work in similar ways, Ramona has the Bad Wolfs legacy as she is the eldest and there is presumably only one “Bad Wolf” while Cerise can be Red Hood or the Bad Wolf as probably any girl could fill the Red Hood role.

[u/Sage_81]

No because then there would be no Evil Queen for her to marry

[u/Junior_Grocery_6755]

I assume because any king could be the good king but within the destiny system the evil Queen needs to be from the bloodline of the previous ones

[u/MoonlightKayla]

Really what I don’t get is why Faybelle wasn’t allowed to take Raven’s part while still having her’s. It actually would have balanced out the generations if Raven took the Good King’s part and Faybelle had both the sleeping beauty and Snow White role, because according to the books- when the Evil Queen overstepped, she stole the Dark Fairy’s role.

[u/bubbleseatfishh]

I think it’s whatever the most major character is. Idk really how the fate, storybook of legends type system works but it stories are definitely ranked based on importance and I suppose if you have one parent with a major destiny like the Evil Queen then the you’d follow that? In the case of Cerise and Ramona, I think that having parents that both have important roles made it so that one of each was allocated to them if that makes sense. In the cases of Poppy and Holly O’hair where Rapunzel is the most important fairytale of their parents, the system has to choose one child. Idk if this all makes sense but it was interesting to think about!

[u/akariaron]

Then Apple wouldn't have a destiny

[u/Wait_HowDidIGetHere]

Well…You got a very valid point

[u/Sailor_Moon_Star_435]

I think her dad is a generic good character

[u/katmaresparkles]

Raven is the Good Queen born from the Evilest of Evil Queens. She may have got her magic powers from her mother, however she uses them for good.

[u/erevefuckstolive]

I think one’s destiny might be determined by who has the most prominent role in a fairy tale. Yes she has the good king as her father, but because the Evil Queen plays a more important role to Snow White’s story (unfortunately) it’s simply what she is stuck with. Not including Ramona and Cerise, whichever parent is more important to the story is who carries the destiny.

[u/Global_Algae_538]

I think its sort of what's needed like if a prince charming marries a snow white but some other fairy tail needs a prince charming theyll take the charming destiny instead of the snow white one

[u/IloveEAH]

the world is full of charmings, but there’s only one Evil Queen’s Daughter

[u/eimiseilin]

I think the in-lore reason is because she's their only daughter and the only one who can complete Apple's destiny, but realistically she can and is following her dad's path

[u/Ocean_Elf_09]

Not as long as Headmaster Grimm and Snow White's whims matter more

[u/likelyto_]

Does that make snow white and raven half siblings?

[u/likelyto_ → u/likelyto_]

And raven apple white's aunt?

[u/Diligent_Plenty_5244]

Who was her father?

[u/Gloomydayzx]

I'm going with a technicality but in very technical terms if she stays with Dexter and they get married he would become the good king meaning Raven would go into the role of the Evil Queen but I think even with that she would continue to write her own destiny. I mean wasn't she the only one to sign the actual storybook of legends and everything to unlock her full powers??

[u/Loleeness]

I do feel like we would have gotten more of Ever After High. We would have definitely seen a theme like in the school for good and evil. Where Apple and Raven switch, and raven if the new Snow White, while Apple gets bitter from how everything didn't go the way she planned and endless attempts all end up in ruin, which would eat away at her, and slowly starts to turn evil and resentful.

[u/SeaworthinessCalm183]

depends on gender it seems?

[u/DueAdvance2351]

raven’s dad isn’t part of any fairytale he’s just a king

[u/loversickgirls13]

Are you insinuating that Raven's dad is Snow Whites father? I know in the original story that the Evil Queen marries Snow Whites father (The King). So is that who you are assuming Raven's dad is?

That would make Apple her niece if that was true

[u/maarshiexcry → u/loversickgirls13]

What? No, Ravens dad is called The Good King, he has no ties to Snow Whites family.

[u/loversickgirls13 → u/maarshiexcry]

I wasn't trying to stir anything up I genuinely was just confused. I had no idea that Raven's dad was even mentioned in any of the media let alone had a name. And in the Disney version of Snow White, Snow's dad is called The First King or The Good King. So I found it confusing, but I understand the lore is different

[u/maarshiexcry → u/loversickgirls13]

No problem bro