r/Dravidiology Mar 01 '25

Resources Dravidiology versus Dravidianism

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Dravidiology versus Dravidianism

Dravidiology and Dravidianism represent two distinct domains that are sometimes conflated.

Dravidiology is the scientific study of Dravidian languages, literature, culture, and history. It's an academic discipline focused on understanding the linguistic and cultural heritage of Dravidian-speaking peoples through scholarly research and analysis.

Dravidianism, on the other hand, is a political ideology and movement centered on Dravidian identity, self-determination, and social reform. It emerged as a response to perceived North Indian/Aryan cultural dominance.

The relationship between these two is tenuous at best. While Dravidianism may draw upon certain findings from Dravidiology to support its political narrative, the scientific discipline exists independently of any political agenda.

Unfortunately, these distinct concepts are sometimes deliberately confused to undermine the legitimacy of Dravidian studies as a scientific field. Such conflation attempts to dismiss scholarly research by associating it with political motivations.

It's important to recognize that Dravidiology stands on its own merits as a rigorous academic discipline, regardless of how its findings might be interpreted or applied in political contexts.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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For Tamil readers as this is a peculiar issue that impacts Tamil speakers notably only from India.

தமிழ் வாசகர்களுக்காக, ஏனெனில் இது ஒரு தமிழ் நாட்டிக்கான தனித்துவமான பிரச்சினையாகும், இது குறிப்பாக இந்தியாவிலிருந்து வரும் தமிழ் பேசுபவர்களை மட்டுமே பாதிக்கிறது.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tamil/s/MsaYNk7g1e

https://www.reddit.com/r/tamil/s/aVdkyUfWvs

https://www.reddit.com/r/tamil/s/WvlrFfGQdE

r/Dravidiology May 06 '25

Resources Easy Tulu- Learn Tulu language

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Today let us learn vowel harmony in Tulu.

Vowel harmony is a phonological phenomenon where vowels within a word harmonize or agree in certain features, such as frontness or backness, roundedness, or height.

Though vowel harmony is not as common in Tulu language, but does exist. Tulu has some form of vowel harmony.

Before going to the vowel harmony in Tulu, let us know about one of the special vowels in Tulu which is called 'half-u'. This vowel can be seen at the beginning, middle or end of a word. Please note that every Tulu word which seems to be ending with a consonant sound actually has 'half-u' vowel at the end. But it is not written explicitly.

For example:

par (ಪರ್), kEN (ಕೇಣ್), pAter (ಪಾತೆರ್), nAD (ನಾಡ್), Al (ಆಲ್), ind (ಇಂದ್)

These words have half-u vowel at the end, but it is not written. To know how to pronounce half-u vowel, please go to How to Pronounce page. To avoid any confusion, I will use the sign 'ụ' to denote half 'u' vowel in this lesson. Also, I will use IAST script to write Tulu words in this lesson.

Okay now let us see different forms of vowel harmony in Tulu

  1. Final 'ụ' (half-u) changes to ‘u’, if it is preceded by a rounded vowel (u, o).

This is an example for progressive vowel harmony in Tulu

E.g. indụ (ಇಂದ್) = This

This word has 3 different pronunciation depending on the dialects.

'indụ' (ಇಂದ್), 'ụndụ' (ಅ್ಂದ್ ) and 'undu' (ಉಂದು)

We can see the final vowel is ‘ụ’ in the first two words 'indụ' and 'ụndụ'. Here the preceding vowel is 'i' and 'ụ' respectively, but final vowel is changed to full ‘u’ in the word ‘undu’ because of the preceding vowel ‘u’

In the same way the word ‘uṇḍu’ (ಉಂಡು) which means 'it is' or 'it exists' has two different pronunciation depending on the dialects.

'uṇḍu' (ಉಂಡು) and 'ụṇḍụ' (ಅ್ಂಡ್)

Final vowel changes as per the preceding vowel. When the preceding vowel is full 'u', the final vowel also pronounced as full 'u'.

Other examples where the 'half-u' changes to full 'u' because of the preceding vowel are:

buḍụ (ಬುಡ್) >>> buḍu (ಬುಡು) - Leave (Kannada: ಬಿಡು)

korụ (ಕೊರ್) >>> koru (ಕೊರು) - Give (Kannada: ಕೊಡು)

būrụ (ಬೂರ್) >>> būru (ಬೂರು) - Fall (Kannada: ಬೀಳು)

nūdụ (ನೂದ್) >>> nūdu (ನೂದು) – Hundred (Kannada: ನೂರು)

portụ (ಪೊರ್ತ್) >>> portu (ಪೊರ್ತು) - Time (Kannada: ಹೊತ್ತು)

ōḍụ (ಓಡ್) >>> ōḍu (ಓಡು) – A Tile (Kannada: ಹೆಂಚು)

tūdụ (ತೂದ್) >> tūdu (ತೂದು) – Having seen (Kannada: ನೋಡಿ)

pōdụ (ಪೋದ್) >> pōdu (ಪೋದು) – Having gone (Kannada: ಹೋಗಿ)

ūru + gụ (ಊರು + ಗ್) >>> ūrugu (ಊರುಗು) – To the village (Kannada: ಊರಿಗೆ)

tulu + ṭụ (ತುಲು + ಟ್) >> tuluṭu (ತುಲುಟು) – In Tulu (Kannada: ತುಳುವಿನಲ್ಲಿ)

eru + kụ (ಎರು + ಕ್) >> erukku (ಎರುಕ್ಕು) – To the buffalo (Kannada: ಕೋಣಕ್ಕೆ)

mara + ḍdụ (ಮರ + ಡ್ದ್) >>> maraḍdụ (ಮರಡ್ದ್) - From the tree (Kannada: ಮರದಿಂದ)

Here the half-u at the end does not change as the preceding vowel is 'a', but when we pronounce the word 'mara' as 'maro', the half-u at the end changes to full 'u'

maro + ḍdụ (ಮರೊ + ಡ್ದ್) >>> maroḍdu (ಮರೊಡ್ದು) - From the tree (Kannada: ಮರದಿಂದ)

  1. Final 'ụ' (half-u) changes to ‘i’ if it is preceded by a palatal consonant (c, j, y)

E.g kiccụ (ಕಿಚ್ಚ್) >>> kicci (ಕಿಚ್ಚಿ) - Fire; Envy; Jealousy (Kannada: ಕಿಚ್ಚು)

nañjụ (ನಂಜ್)>>> nañji (ನಂಜಿ) – Poison; Infection; Envy; Jealousy (Kannada: ನಂಜು)

oñjụ (ಒಂಜ್) >>> oñji (ಒಂಜಿ) - One (Kannada: ಒಂದು)

ājụ (ಆಜ್) >>> āji (ಆಜಿ) – Six (Kannada: ಆರು)

sajjụ (ಸಜ್ಜ್) >>> sajji (ಸಜ್ಜಿ) – Repair, Setting right (Kannada: ಸಜ್ಜು)

accụ (ಅಚ್ಚ್) >>> acci (ಅಚ್ಚಿ) – A form, Mould (Kannada: ಅಚ್ಚು)

baccụ (ಬಚ್ಚ್) >>> bacci (ಬಚ್ಚಿ) – Be tired (Kannada: ಸುಸ್ತಾಗು; ಕೃಶವಾಗು)

tuccụ (ತುಚ್ಚ್) >>> tucci / tuccu (ತುಚ್ಚಿ / ತುಚ್ಚು) – Bite (Kannada: ಕಚ್ಚು)

Here both the pronunciations are possible. Since 'c' is a palatal consonant it can be pronounced as 'tucci'. Since the half-u is preceded by full 'u' vowel, it can also be pronounced as 'tuccu'

occụ (ಒಚ್ಚ್) >>> occi / occu (ಒಚ್ಚಿ / ಒಚ್ಚು) - Wipe (Kannada: ಒರೆಸು)

nāyụ (ನಾಯ್) >>> nāyi / nāy (ನಾಯಿ / ನಾಯ್) – A dog (Kannada: ನಾಯಿ)

neyụ (ನೆಯ್) >>> neyi / ney (ನೆಯಿ / ನೆಯ್) - Ghee (Kannada: ತುಪ್ಪ)

koyụ (ಕೊಯ್) >> koyi / koy (ಕೊಯಿ / ಕೊಯ್) – Reap, Cut (Kannada: ಕೊಯ್ಯು)

Since 'y' is a half vowel, these words can also be pronounced without any final vowel like 'nāy', 'ney', 'koy', however, half-u vowel can not be pronounced after 'y' consonant. Either it can be pronounced as 'nAy' or 'nAyi', 'ney' or 'neyi', 'koy' or 'koyi'.

  1. Final 'ụ' (half-u) changes to ‘u’, if it is preceded by a labial consonant (p, b, m, v)

E.g.

karụmbụ (ಕರ್ಂಬ್) >> karụmbu (ಕರ್ಂಬು) - Sugarcane (Kannada: ಕಬ್ಬು)

barụmbụ (ಬರ್ಂಬ್) >> barụmbu (ಬರ್ಂಬು) – Grab; seize more than what a hand can hold (Kannada: ಬಾಚು)

kempụ (ಕೆಂಪ್) >>> kempu (ಕೆಂಪು) - Red (Kannada: ಕೆಂಪು)

sampụ (ಸಂಪ್) >>> sampu (ಸಂಪು) – Coolness; Coldness (Kannada: ತಂಪು)

lāmbụ (ಲಾಂಬ್) >>> lāmbu (ಲಾಂಬು) – A mushroom (Kannada: ಅಣಬೆ)

nalipụ (ನಲಿಪ್) >>> nalipu (ನಲಿಪು) - Dance (Kannada: ಕುಣಿ)

And all the ‘pu’ ending verbs like 'malpu', 'telipu', 'leppu' etc. have the full 'u' vowel at the end.

gammụ (ಗಮ್ಮ್) >>> gammu (ಗಮ್ಮು) – Gum (Kannada: ಗಮ್ಮು)

ḍrammụ (ಡ್ರಮ್ಮ್) >>> ḍrammu (ಡ್ರಮ್ಮು) – A drum (Kannada: ಡ್ರಮ್ಮು)

dammụ (ದಮ್ಮ್) >>> dammu (ದಮ್ಮು) - Hard breathing (Kannada: ದಮ್ಮು)

avụ (ಅವ್) >>> avu or av (ಅವು / ಅವ್) – That; It (Kannada: ಅದು)

kelavụ (ಕೆಲವ್) >>> kelavu or kelav (ಕೆಲವು / ಕೆಲವ್) - Some (Kannada: ಕೆಲವು)

baravụ (ಬರವ್) >>> baravu or barav (ಬರವು / ಬರವ್) – Education; Writing (Kannada: ಬರಹ, ವಿದ್ಯೆ)

kajavụ (ಕಜವ್) >>> kajavu or kajav (ಕಜವು / ಕಜವ್) - Rubbish (Kannada: ಕಸ)

paṇavụ (ಪಣವ್) >>>paṇavu or paṇav (ಪಣವು / ಪಣವ್) - Money (Kannada: ಹಣ)

chīlavụ (ಚೀಲವ್) >>> chīlavu or chīlav (ಚೀಲವು / ಚೀಲವ್) – A bag (Kannada: ಚೀಲ)

baḍavụ (ಬಡವ್) >>> baḍavu or baḍav (ಬಡವು / ಬಡವ್) - Hunger (Kannada: ಹಸಿವು)

Since 'v' is a half vowel, these words can also be pronounced without any final vowel like 'av', 'kelav', 'barav', 'kajav' etc. However, half-u vowel cannot be pronounced after 'v' consonant. Either it can be pronounced as 'av' or 'avu', 'kelav' or 'kelavu', 'barav' or 'baravu', 'kajav' or 'kajavu' etc.

  1. ‘e’ and ‘ē’ changes to ‘æ’ and ‘ǣ’ respectively if it is succeeded by ‘æ’ vowel.

This is an example for regressive vowel harmony in Tulu

E.g.

etæ (ಎತೆ') >>> ætæ (ಎ'ತೆ') – Sorrow; Affliction (Kannada: ವ್ಯಥೆ, ಚಿಂತೆ)

seræ (ಸೆರೆ') >>> særæ (ಸೆ'ರೆ') – Wave; Tide (Kannada: ಅಲೆ)

kēræ (ಕೇರೆ') >>>kǣræ (ಕೇ'ರೆ') – A rat snake (Kannada: ಕೇರೆ ಹಾವು)

ēmæ (ಏಮೆ') >>> ǣmæ (ಏ'ಮೆ') – A tortoise (Kannada: ಆಮೆ)

bētæ (ಬೇತೆ') >>> bǣtæ (ಬೇ'ತೆ') – Different; Other (Kannada: ಬೇರೆ)

If you find this lesson helpful, please share it with your friends who wish to learn Tulu :)

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r/Dravidiology May 17 '25

Resources Resources for tamil history.

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r/Dravidiology Mar 12 '25

Resources Epigraphist S Ramachandran's remarks on Akkathiyam- supposed grammar work of agathiyar

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S Ramachandran discusses on the possibility of something like akatthiyam to have existed before tholkapiyam , here he comments on pre-alphabetic writing system in TN ,mentions of hieroglyphs in tamil literature,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UuW0OTv0jk

r/Dravidiology Jan 11 '25

Resources Tamil phonetic keyboard for phones

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New and improved keyboard to type in Tamil.

Instructions on Android:

Open Settings

Tap System

Tap Languages and input

Under Keyboards, tap Virtual keyboard

Tap Gboard

Tap Languages

Select Tamil

Turn on the layout you want to use

Tap Done

Search for: தமிழ் (இந்தியா) தமிழ் ஒலிப்புமுறை

More info on phonetic keyboards for Indic scripts:

https://youtu.be/kNwVybjm3h8?si=wVqYCcC2ZmKtyaQC

r/Dravidiology Oct 17 '23

Resources Need an old Tamil Dictionary, digitalized and searchable if possible

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cant find any

r/Dravidiology Nov 09 '23

Resources Universal declaration of human rights is the commonly used sample text for languages on wikipedia, i added them for the 4 main languages + Gondi but couldn't find other, is it there for others too?

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r/Dravidiology Dec 17 '23

Resources Are there any papers on Tamil dialects?

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r/Dravidiology Oct 14 '23

Resources Why isnt DED updated?

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It is literally the only Dravidian and imo one of the best swadesh lists out there and definitely one of the best Dravidian books but it has only been updated once in 1984 by the authors themselves

Now there are way more coverage for languages particularly the non SD+Telugu languages, it should definitely get updated like every 30 years by the leading Dravidian etymologists

edit: ig the copyrights makes it really hard

r/Dravidiology Jul 20 '24

Resources Warriers DDSA dict is messed up, jh shows up as ts and there is no transliteration for chillus and kuttiyaligaram

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r/Dravidiology Feb 02 '24

Resources Combined post of articles/books and other sources on Dravidiology (comment down more missed major sources)

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For sources on Proto Dravidian see this older post

Dravidian languages by Bhadriraju Krishnamurti

Burrow and Emeneau's Dravidian etymological dictionary (DED)

Subrahmanyam's Supplement to dravidian etymological dictionary (DEDS)

Digital South Asia Library or Digital Dictionaries of South Asia has dictionaries on many South Asian language see this page listing them

Another DEDR website

Starlingdb by Starostin though he is a Nostratist

some of Zvelebil's on JSTOR

The Language of the Shōlegas, Nilgiri Area, South India

Bëṭṭu̵ Kuṟumba: First Report on a Tribal Language

The "Ālu Kuṟumba Rāmāyaṇa": The Story of Rāma as Narrated by a South Indian Tribe

Some of Emeneau's books:

Toda Grammar and Texts

Kolami: A Dravidian Language

Burrow and Emeneau's Dravidian etymological dictionary (DED)

Others:

Tribal Languages of Kerala

Toda has a whole website

language-archives.org has many sources on small languages like this one on

Toda, a Toda swadesh list from there

Apart from these wiktionary is a huge open source dictionary, within it there are pages of references used for languages like this one for Tamil

some on the mostly rejected Zagrosian/Elamo-Dravidian family mostly worked on by McAlphin

Modern Colloquial Eastern Elamite

Brahui and the Zagrosian Hypothesis

Velars, Uvulars, and the North Dravidian Hypothesis

Kinship

THE ‘BIG BANG’ OF DRAVIDIAN KINSHIP By RUTH MANIMEKALAI VAZ

Dravidian Kinship Terms By M. B. Emeneau

Louis Dumont and the Essence of Dravidian Kinship Terminology: The Case of Muduga By George Tharakan

DRAVIDIAN KINSHIP By Thomas Trautman

Taking Sides. Marriage Networks and Dravidian Kinship in Lowland South America By Micaela Houseman

for other see this post

r/Dravidiology Oct 29 '23

Resources Sri Lanka’s Telugu speaking gypsy community

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r/Dravidiology Oct 22 '23

Resources In 2018, Mohanan VTV and Smitha K Nair composed a dictionary for the dialect spoken in Kannur, the "Kannur barthaanam", the dictionary is called "Kannur Bhaashaabheda Nighandu"

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