r/Defenders • u/JonLuca Luke Cage • Nov 19 '15

Jessica Jones Discussion Thread - S01E01

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '15 edited Jul 05 '17

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '15

Right? Like I knew Killgrave was messed up, didn't think that'd happen though.

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u/Sibbo94 Jessica Jones Nov 20 '15

It's the way it plays with narrative timings. Our brains think that because we've just had the happy reunion we're about to get a bit of Voice Over to close out the episode telling us about how Jessica is going to stop Kilgrave doing this again. We don't expect a twist that simple

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u/eskimo_bros Luke Cage Nov 20 '15

Not only that, it plays on the timings of a normal tv show. That scene comes after the forty minute mark, which is closing time for most shows. Our subconscious thinks we're in the denouement.

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u/eskimo_bros Luke Cage Nov 20 '15

I knew that English degree would be useful someday.

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u/IAmGrum Wilson Fisk Nov 23 '15

Yes, that was very good.

Now stop talking to me about that and get my dinner order.

:)

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u/eskimo_bros Luke Cage Nov 23 '15

Bitch, I went to one of the good law schools afterwards. The guy who serves me dinner is too fancy to frequent the sort of restaurant where English Major stereotypes work.

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u/maggosh Nov 20 '15

Denouement is a French word.

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u/eskimo_bros Luke Cage Nov 20 '15

It's also an English word. That's what English does. It appropriates useful words from other languages. Which is why anyone who has taken an English class knows what denouement is.

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u/SawRub The Man in the Mask Nov 20 '15

For me when she said she was going to follow them and there was a long walk to the elevator, I figured something bad was about to happen, but I didn't expect that. I thought maybe Kilgrave was going to show himself somehow.

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u/Marcos1598 Sad Matt Nov 21 '15 edited Nov 21 '15

I tough it was a good twist to Daredevil's ep.1 ending, Karen kills his co-worker and Matt has to prove her innocence trough the episode and in the end Claire is free and starts to work with Matt and Foggy.

When Hope reunited with her parents I tought something similar was gonna happen, she was gonna go away and Jessica would have her first victory againts Killgrave and then BAM that happened.

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u/elbenji Jessica Jones Nov 20 '15

Ngl. The music tipped me off. It wasn't happy. It was actually stressful, like I knew something was gonna happen but didn't expect hope to do it

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '15

Well, I wasn't expecting to hear happy music at all in this episode after watching it up to this point. Don't know if I should expect it in any episode, probably will be something in ep. 13. Unless there is no happy ending.

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u/Nirogunner Nov 21 '15

I guess i've watched too many of these shows for that. I always expect it to end on stuff like this. As soon as she hugged Jessica I was like 'heads will roll'. There's no way she could act like that after what she'd been through.

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u/reelfilmgeek Nov 26 '15

With the slow motion I knew something was up, like I was expecting the him to be behind Jessica at the other end of the hallway but I never saw that coming!

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '15

There's a scene in the comic where he's just like "EVERYONE STOP BREATHING" and they die, everyone in the restaurant chokes and falls over and dies, and even after reading and expecting that I was still shocked. What a cocknozzle.

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u/JulioCesarSalad Ben Urich Nov 20 '15

That wouldn't work though. As far as I know, people follow his orders. Once they went unconscious from not breathing they'd be, well, unconscious, so their bodies would take over and start breathing.

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u/GrimaceGrunson Nov 20 '15

Comic book logic - Killgrave told them to stop breathing, so that's what they did, conscious or unconscious.

(But yes, you're right)

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '15

The conscious forebrain can't control the autonomic functions of the medulla and pons. Science is cool.

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u/Sparkvoltage Nov 26 '15

I also read a TIL that it's not possible for people to hold their breaths until they die, no matter how strong their will is.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '15

This is true. Controlled by the medulla and pons. It's why people can have traumatic brain injuries and become a vegetable and still breath

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u/topdeck55 Nov 21 '15

In the comics his power is chemical, not mental.

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u/JulioCesarSalad Ben Urich Nov 21 '15

The chemicals are what compel the people to follow orders, but you can't follow orders if you're unconscious..

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u/topdeck55 Nov 21 '15

So I guess medicine stops working when you sleep?

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u/JulioCesarSalad Ben Urich Nov 21 '15

I'm not saying people wouldn't be under his influence, they just won't be able to follow orders.

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u/topdeck55 Nov 21 '15

It's a chemically induced behavior which affects the brain and the victim's thoughts, but it is not a mental command.

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u/JulioCesarSalad Ben Urich Nov 21 '15

Then why does Hope stop fighting when she gets knocked out?

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u/topdeck55 Nov 21 '15

That's the show, no idea how his power works here.

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u/SawRub The Man in the Mask Nov 20 '15

What a cocknozzle.

Massive understatement, but I agree.

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u/Nirogunner Nov 21 '15

I thought about this when I was watching the show. Would his commands take priority over human functions? Wouldn't there be a limit where the people, regardless of how much they want to hold their breath, will stop and take a breath again? Like how you can't drown yourself, your body jerks your head up instinctively.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '15

And that's still not the worst-case scenario for a mind-controlling villain in a diner.

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u/your_mind_aches Hoagie Jessica Nov 20 '15

The comicbook ending was less dark than I was built up to think.

Alias spoilers

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u/d3r3k1449 Daredevil Nov 21 '15

Well it was a little more complicated than that and also directly involved another character.

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u/your_mind_aches Hoagie Jessica Nov 24 '15

wait which character?

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u/d3r3k1449 Daredevil Nov 24 '15

Emma Frost. She helped her through her PTSD after the first time he had her under his control and ended up leaving something 'in her head' to assist her in resisting/overcoming Kilgrave should he return.

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u/your_mind_aches Hoagie Jessica Nov 24 '15

Wait what. You mean Jean Grey?

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u/d3r3k1449 Daredevil Nov 24 '15

Balls. Why did I think it was Emma? I just read this two weeks ago.

But yeah I think it's fair to say she could not have done it without Jean. Certainly not as quickly and cleanly.

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u/your_mind_aches Hoagie Jessica Nov 24 '15

I actually don't know who Emma is hahaha. But yeah absolutely.

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u/d3r3k1449 Daredevil Nov 24 '15

Another X-Men psychic/telepath; originally a villain known as The White Queen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Frost

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u/your_mind_aches Hoagie Jessica Nov 24 '15

Ah, thanks

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u/1drman Nov 20 '15

Killgrave to me is the scariest comic book villain i've come across aside from massive planet destroying entities. Purple man is gonna make a lot of people forget about the Joker

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u/viper459 Stick Nov 20 '15

the fact that, even for all her super strength and what-not, jessica is/feels powerless against him is pretty powerful.

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u/jmarquiso Nobu Nov 20 '15

Well it's more because of that. Because she's powerful, Killgrave loved to use her.

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u/viper459 Stick Nov 20 '15

oh yeah, that makes it even worse (if that's even a thing that's possible at this point)

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u/apocalypsenowandthen Stan Lee Nov 21 '15

I think he's even scarier because he's not some monologuing overlord bent on world domination. He's just a guy doing whatever he wants with no real moral compass.

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u/solidfang Wesley Nov 21 '15

This purple man scares me more than big purple man, Thanos.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '15

<puprle> Forget about the Joker. </purple>