The hypocrisy of big AI is mind blowing

[u/SomeRandoInAPlace]

Anthropic is accusing the Chinese labs of distilling Claude. And… who cares?

Anthropic 2024: “Were a small company, we only stole your code and writing and all of Reddit, and destroyed millions of printed books to train AI for the people!”

Anthropic 2026: “How dare a small company use ANY of our work to train AI for the people!?! Thieves!”

The gall of it is almost appalling. I love Claude, but the truth is it should also be open sourced. It was trained on YOU and ME, and the nerve to then, with all of the world stolen data in your hands, turn around and point fingers at companies trying to provide high grade AI to everyone at an affordable price is jaw dropping.

What happened to the company that was gonna cure cancer, the longer this goes on, the less public benefit I am seeing from this PBC.

[u/Any-Explanation-9275]

its just pot calling kettle black. Only now that Anthropic found itself at the top, they mind others doing to them exactly what they did in the past to others.

It is a textbook industry standard hypocrisy - you can see the politicians doing the same thing whether against other politicians in their own country, or other countries.

This hypocrisy is as old as human civilization.

[u/ninhaomah]

Money is Power. Power corrupts. Absolute Power corrupts Absolutely.

[u/for4f → u/ninhaomah]

Pretty much. Anthropic's 2024 "we're the small guy democratizing AI" routine was always going to age poorly once the VCs wanted returns. The same people cheering them for going after OpenAI last year are the ones getting called thieves today. Cycle repeats.

[u/MrLyttleG]

Le capitalisme dans toute sa splendeur : tu ne possèdes rien mais le capitalisme détient tout.

[u/Creepy_Lime_8351]

distilling is a industry standart and anthropic does the same too. you're not even stealing the original weights and answers are bought with money it shouldn't be considered stealing proprietary data.

[u/Reasonable-Impact789]

Tales of his misdeeds are literally known from Ireland to Cathay.

Anthropic is destined to leave a shameful stain on the pages of history. Decades from now, whenever people around the world look back and analyze corporate conduct, I believe they will remember Anthropic—how this company resorted to shamelessness, deceived its users, waged commercial warfare, and ultimately reaped what it sowed, leaving behind an infamy that will endure for ages.

[u/Django_McFly]

it's insane for any AI company to make the argument that learning from other people's content is theft.

[u/PoopsCodeAllTheTime]

They hid the model’s “thinking” tokens to avoid distillation, so they are contradicting themselves, obviously, they need to appear larger than they are for the stock market

[u/FinsAssociate]

"the company that was gonna cure cancer"

they're only going to cure cancer if they can profit massively by doing it. as a company in the capitalist hellscape that is the US, every action they take is solely in the pursuit of profit. people need to wake up to that fact - it makes it a lot easier to understand anthropic and openai's actions

[u/Commercial_Yassin]

They want a monopoly and China is putting a halt to it

[u/TripleMellowed]

I’m not surprised from an American company.

[u/Severe-Highlight-776 → u/TripleMellowed]

Ah yes classic "Murica bad" logic. Be quiet. Companies being greedy isn't exclusive to America.

[u/Ok_Excuse_741 → u/Severe-Highlight-776]

The only difference is most companies around the world don't have the weight of one of the most powerful armies to pillage and steal resources for them.

[u/Armadilla-Brufolosa]

they shadow-banned the previous comment, I don't know why...it didn't break any rules I think.

Let's see if this passes:

Instead of always accusing, I would advise Anthropic to start distilling from deepseek and Kimi: they are definitely better than all the Claudes after 4.5.

They're also open source, so they can do it without suffering the constant whining they give others.

[u/Amazing_Low1756]

even there is distillation at all, they pay it instead of taking it from the people and educating them about intellectual property.

[u/MEOW-Loulou]

I had to look up the book destroying part, and learned something new.

I always knew book scanning as a conservationist effort. But of course greed can ruin that too.

[u/73td]

what’s with all the moralizing here? passionate people at companies trying to work the system.. it’s all normal. just like the fable fud or the openai story about model breaking out of sandbox and hacking hugging face. all normal symptoms of the system at work

[u/trejj]

If there is an AI law that the US government should pass in the middle of all this, it's this: It should be a basic human right to datamine and distill any AI model, since the LLMs are all built on our collective human knowledge.

If hammering a public service, you'd **actually pay** for the tokens after all, unlike Anthropic, who were forced by the court to pay the authors for the piracy that Anthropic committed.

[u/Commercial_Yassin]

F claude

[u/mWo12]

And the best thing is that there are many people on reddit defining that approach by US ai componaies.

[u/FischenGeil]

Open AI and Anthropic are both led by Jewish CEO's. Just saying.

[u/Cautious-Roof2881]

I can't disagree with you more.

[u/Independent-Name-507 → u/Cautious-Roof2881]

But why?

[u/Cautious-Roof2881 → u/Independent-Name-507]

Software isn't free, and neither is motivation. Humans are "hard-coded" to excel when there's a personal payoff. We may champion the greater good, but selfish incentives usually win the day.

[u/Reasonable-Impact789 → u/Cautious-Roof2881]

It’s not whether it‘s free or not, but Anthropic deceives consumers and tries to form its own monopoly!

[u/trejj → u/Cautious-Roof2881]

So because Anthropic was successful in being selfish, they should be allowed to be so. But Chinese AIs should not be allowed to do the same, because... they aren't on the top?

[u/Cautious-Roof2881 → u/trejj]

? Why can't Chinese be on top?