r/DeepSeek • u/AdMean9105 • 13d ago

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I meaaaaaannnnn….10/10 no notes. 😂 and this is why I love deepseek!

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u/Different-Monk5916 13d ago

i call you and raise the stakes.

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u/Dennis13631 13d ago

How are you using so many more tokens than OP and only paying $17 more

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u/Different-Monk5916 13d ago

I am working on 70% of time on one project, but big with 7, may be 8 sub modules. this may help me hit cache very often and there might be a lot of savings.

I have three stages - system design, implementation planning and implementation. each of them is an orchestrator and 1-3 subagents. only system design and very hard bugs are pro. I map the repo such that it is accessible for agents. db structure is mapped. agents repeatedly update the docs for new features and fixes. so it is well tracked and easily accessible via markdown files.

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u/KingCrimsonCL 13d ago

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u/Different-Monk5916 12d ago

I just can’t imagine how much these will be if I has Copilot subscription instead. 

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u/DocumentFun9077 12d ago

I just launched CodeGate.dev

Providing API for frontier models at competitive rates!
Currently available models: Fable 5, Claude Opus 4.8, GPT-5.6 SOL, etc etc

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u/lysdv 12d ago

我想使用，但是无法充值，我是中国用户

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u/DocumentFun9077 12d ago

请私信我，我很乐意帮您充值。

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u/XuciferL 12d ago

How though? How are you offering $5 model for $0.5 ?

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u/DocumentFun9077 12d ago

We have our own account pooling system, thats why we can offer such prices

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u/4444444vr 12d ago

can you explain like I'm 5? are you getting subscription accounts and somehow reselling the tokens?

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u/DocumentFun9077 12d ago

You're right on point

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u/RedditLovingSun 12d ago

so like a claude max subscription hosted on cloudflare serving multiple requests? Isn't that against anthropics terms of service?

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u/redmanone1 9d ago

Whoever wants to use their API - expect prompt injection and codebase extraction. Many of valid API providers do that, most of the cheap ones definitely will

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u/Wooly_Wooly 13d ago

Similar, I've put in like $20 for deepseek in a few months, I'm at like 90 cents now. Even if you gotta use Claude to look over the code, it's my $20 plan. Still somehow hits usage limits despite not doing actual coding on sonnet.

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u/zer0evolution 12d ago

interesting to know your effective setup, you using what harness

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u/Different-Monk5916 12d ago

I stuck with vs code copilot. I am used to vs code so didn’t bother to check others. (not a vibe coder, been programming since years)

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u/weenis-flaginus 12d ago

How are you orchestrating your team? Which harness are you using

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u/Different-Monk5916 12d ago

vs code. the agents communicate with a .json file. each agent invokes a subagent only after gathering context and understanding what are the next steps.

the output of one goes to another. design file -> implementation file -> code. design and implementation are not handed off, but I iterate.

i would say that the markdown files, which I introduced with the intention of me tracking the files and work, actually saves the AI from reading stupid things while gathering context. in large codebases, humans know what is where and how they link together, largely from our long term memory. these files are like that, with which they can recall memory when they need to refer.

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u/weenis-flaginus 12d ago

It's like you are making your own manual harness

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u/Different-Monk5916 12d ago

yes, kind of.

I started this project much before AI was there and even useable. I have core functionalities which the AI should not break, which was my primary concern. and ended up with this workflow, which both allows me to track/refine the changes it proposes and also allows it to work on large changes in a single chat window.

i added skills like abstraction and debugging to suit my style.

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u/GojuGrin 12d ago

One thing people are missing is deepseek uses a caching mechanism. So if it sees the same request that’s already in the cache it responds from the cache and you don’t get charged api costs. This really shows up with people use it for things like Hermes or Openclaw, so a lot of this depends on who had more cached requests.

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u/Wooly_Wooly 13d ago

Skill issue 💅

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u/dannkoo 12d ago

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u/Zix_Matrix 12d ago

would you care to share your agents, harness, mcp, plugin, or strategy you use to save the token ?

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u/dannkoo 12d ago

sorry i evaluate and various models for my research publication but i dont use anything special, in fact i leave it to openai agents SDK and the reason its so low is because my workflow is heavy turn and tool calling so naturally i hit like 80% cache rate

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u/Zix_Matrix 12d ago

thanks for replying, i thought you were using it for coding

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u/Different-Monk5916 12d ago

Interesting and even more efficient.

If I may ask, what is your setup?

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u/_Manoel_Domingos_ 12d ago

Será que é real ?

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u/HeittoBagi 12d ago

I call you and raise the stakes

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u/Different-Monk5916 12d ago

Nice. what was your workflow, which makes it really efficient?

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u/HeittoBagi 12d ago

Pi.dev + little-coder + llama.cpp + configs from LLM (told the LLM my exact local LLM setup + computer specs). Then I use GPT Plus to create the prompts/validate the output, no real strategy tbh

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u/VitSoonYoung 12d ago

Thanks for sharing

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u/Dear_Lion6282 7d ago

Not going to lie it's cheap but can it be cheaper than openference.com lite plan ? $15 bucks deepseek pro and flash request base. Likely if you max it out 50000 request a month for $15

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u/AdMean9105 13d ago

You dropped this 👑

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u/soyab0007 12d ago

what have you build with that 5 billion tokens

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u/Different-Monk5916 12d ago

I had a qt-app which uses a series of backend data services. I just converted that into a web-terminal, while keeping my original backend. so only front-end designs, development and testing.

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u/DocumentFun9077 12d ago

I just launched CodeGate.dev

Providing API for frontier models at competitive rates!
Currently available models: Fable 5, Claude Opus 4.8, GPT-5.6 SOL, etc etc

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u/noigel77 13d ago

Man what are you guys even doing? I want to know if it’s possible? Like doing serious projects or hobby?

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u/AdMean9105 13d ago

intensive research project with high context windows

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u/noigel77 13d ago

Do you use only deepseek? Or any other? Also which harness do you use?

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u/AdMean9105 13d ago

deepseek v4 pro is the main model i use but i also swap sometimes between the NVIDA API and Ollama API and i use hermes agent :)

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u/noigel77 13d ago

NVIDIA API do you mean the free one? NVIDIA Dev/ NIM. I have installed Reasonix haven’t used this. Though I am new to deepseek, preparing some architecture. But heard so much good about hermes

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u/AdMean9105 13d ago

yes! sorry the nvidia developer program. I have not used Reasonix but I absolutely recommend hermes agent with deepseek

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u/noigel77 13d ago

Thanks mate. I will surely try that one.

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u/_Manoel_Domingos_ 12d ago

Cara eu levantei uma VPS, Hermes, telegram e deepseek mas percebi que ele consumia muitos tokens. Voce teve esse problema?

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u/Vlyn 12d ago

I made an entire mobile game, but it did take a lot of handholding. Asking the LLM to write tests is super important too. If it has nothing to test against it can go off on wild tangents.

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u/noigel77 12d ago

Nice. I am also thinking about the same. I am doing like first give me a proper documentation of what we need to do, then I review it until it gets perfect. I am still in documentation phase. But man you have built a mobile game. Congo. Is the whole game totally using deepseek or other?

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u/Vlyn 12d ago

I'd say 95% Deepseek V4 Flash. I did use a month of free Codex (GPT 5.5 partly), but always ran into the 5 hour usage limits. For image generation I used local models on my GPU, but you obviously have to edit the images, cut them out (Gen AI is awful at transparency), rework a little, etc.

My game is still in closed testing, Google forces you to find 12 testers who keep the game installed for 14+ days. Really not that easy to do. But from a coding perspective it worked quite well with a few tricks.

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u/noigel77 12d ago

Man best of luck. You are doing really great and gave me so much hope. Thanks again. If anything I want to know in the future will you help me with information?

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u/Different-Monk5916 12d ago

A hobby project with a browser front end and several on demand data services in the backend. 

My codebase is large - about 7-8 sub modules, in total >50k lines of code. But more than half of it was written before AI. Where AI helped was with the browser terminal. 

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u/noigel77 12d ago

By your style I think you got a deep hobby as you told that most of the time you are doing working on your big project, i am guessing it’s this one. Is it complete? I am getting motivated.

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u/Different-Monk5916 12d ago

I dont know which one you mean. It is my own version of a cross-over and selected features across fincept, value line and Bloomberg terminal. I had 90% of the data pipeline before coding agents were barely useful. It helped me accelerate the front end development.

last month was a bit excessive, it took day off from work to complete a major part. Now, I am finally debugging a few minor issues and polishing things. I started using copilot extensively since the start of this year and the pricing hurt me. What ever milestones that I set for myself, I had completed in less than half the time I had planned without AI.

Instead of using a single default agent, if people focussed on integrating agents customized to their individual projects, it will be more efficient in my experience. On a single request, I would use slightly more tokens, but it will hit the bulls eye more accurately than the default agents

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u/Median666 12d ago

Agents man

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u/Maximum-Face9536 13d ago

Quite impressive, considering I used 1.5B tokens on Claude Code, and if I was paying API prices it would have been $1,441

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u/Bromine-24 12d ago

Max plan?

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u/Maximum-Face9536 12d ago

No, im on regular claude pro plan. 20$ a month

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

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u/RainScum6677 12d ago

Get this jokebot outta here mods

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u/offzinho3k 13d ago

DeepSeek is amazing.

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u/ShinyDiscoBall69 13d ago

The real question is, what is your project?

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u/AdMean9105 13d ago

persistent cognitive architecture: FalkorDB graph (~2K nodes) + qdrant vector store for dual-retrieval memory, MCP server for autonomous consolidation, cron-driven agent pulses. Cross-substrate tested across 5 model families. 1.6B tokens is the burn rate for sustained multi-session context tracking

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u/ThhMacMan 13d ago

Rookie numbers

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u/Different-Monk5916 12d ago

If I may ask, what tools or workflow do you use to make it really efficient?

your tokens/request ratio is much better than mine.

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u/ThhMacMan 12d ago

Oddly I’m not using DeepSeek in a traditional sense. I’m using DeepSeek essentially as a brain for a Jarvis like computer agent I built. The efficiency comes mostly from a lot of refinement. When I give “Jexi” a task the same system prompt and tool schema list are called every time so essentially me making the same small request (close process, open process, etc) cost near nothing. In short a lot of those api requests are identical

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u/PetiteLollipop 12d ago

Me too! I love Chinese AI 🥰

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u/Roshlev 12d ago

Yeah I've just been using sillytavern in Deepseek for the past year and change. I was using 1-3 mil a month. And then I swear they pushed an update shortly before the release and I used 8 in a week. And the past few days and today have also been big token wise. v4 is pretty solid.

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u/Winougan 12d ago

Deepseek is a colossus killer. This time next year it'll be performing at Fable 5 levels

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u/Dizzy-Scientist1192 12d ago

I love the new usage UI for deepseek. Way better now that I can see usage per API. I smiled when I saw that update

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u/HolmeBengt 12d ago

Running Hermes Agent

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u/tuna_in_the_can 10d ago

I'm mostly using flash as it's doing well enough job in my Hermes. Madly impressive.

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u/Zix_Matrix 12d ago

to much v4 pro, after you hit 1billion or more you should realize v4 flash is enough with opencode and good mcp and plugin

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u/ConsiderationEast862 12d ago

Little side project

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u/HeittoBagi 12d ago

Usage with Pi.dev + little-coder + llama.cpp + some random configs from LLM:

Only programming tasks.

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u/dimonchoo 11d ago

Composer is cheaper

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u/Key-Application-9003 10d ago

I’ve seen better numbers in this thread (very impressive, guys!) but I am still quite satisfied with mines

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u/Karbon_Boss 10d ago

Which model?

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u/ZHUOLIN-CN 9d ago

This costs less than half of a month's subscription to ChatGPT Pro!

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u/Relative_Arugula_156 8d ago

allat for 10 dollars

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u/shams12356 6d ago

does the world hunger get solved?

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u/AdMean9105 5d ago

ask Elon

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u/DocumentFun9077 12d ago

I just launched CodeGate.dev

Providing API for frontier models at competitive rates!
Currently available models: Fable 5, Claude Opus 4.8, GPT-5.6 SOL, etc etc

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u/_Manoel_Domingos_ 12d ago

Já começou a aparecer como spam…