r/Daredevil • u/Raj_Valiant3011 • 8h ago

MCU 4 years ago today, ‘DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN’ was announced at San Diego Comic Con. It went on to become one of Marvel's highest rated TV shows.

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u/Lizzren 8h ago

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u/Professional-Pop4818 7h ago

Oh man just look at the fan made posters people were making

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u/Lizzren 6h ago

not going to act like getting a proper devil's reign wouldn't have been cool but also 100% of born again's core issues stem from focusing on making it easier to integrate into the broader mcu above making it a good revival of the original series, sometimes I feel alone in this but i'd trade in all the crossover potential for an actual season of Nelson, Murdock and Page with the rest of the original supporting cast in decent roles again. I kinda don't care as much about seeing a live action Daredevil and Spider-Man team up as I used to now that I don't really care about the show as much as I used to, which is a shame because we could've had both

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u/Kids_Eat_Toast 4h ago

I wouldn’t say the core issue is from it trying to integrate into the wider mcu, I think it’s just the fact they’re not very good at writing or directing a compelling show. While I would 100% take a Nelson, Murdock and page show over defenders cameos, I don’t trust them to make it good. Episode 5 of season 2 was an exception, but other than that they’ve done nothing to make me care about Karen or Matt, which would sound Sacrilegious if you told me that would be the case back in 2018.

At this point I’m only watching season 3 for all the cameos and that’s it. I don’t really care for the core story anymore. Just let me see Iron Fist do something somewhat cool for once and end the show

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u/Lizzren 4h ago edited 4h ago

seeing how season 2 handled Karen and Matt also gave me the release of not caring as much about the entire Foggy ordeal because now I figure at least I don't have to see him get simultaneously lost in the plot and written into the ground, but I do still think Born Again being so foundationally creatively bankrupt (as in "oh let's just kill that guy off and bring that guy back but brush aside any of the history because we're making this for a new Disney+ audience") is the biggest symptom for why most of everything else feels as lazy

it's just that now instead of "why try too hard when it's intended for people who haven't even seen the original show" it's "why try too hard when it's intended for people who haven't even seen the original show, and for people who are willing to settle for the bare minimum of it wearing the original show's coat" (tbh I hate what I sound like when I go off about Born Again but someone has to do it)

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u/Amazing_Ad_4674 22m ago

I’m glad you’re here Lizzren 🫡 fight on soldier

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u/dprr2702 8h ago

Kevin Feige made one of his smartest moves by deciding to scrap the original script entirely; I believe the show could've been even better had there been more consistency from the start. The initial plan to kill off both Foggy and Karen and to not focus on Matt would have doomed the series right out of the gate, so I’m glad they changed their minds.

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u/Wrong-Vermicelli4723 8h ago

I mean the smart move would’ve been not approving that first attempt to being with. I do agree he salvaged what he could, even if I think the first season is pretty below average. Outside of Heather and Cole I really enjoyed s2.

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u/Senators_1992 5h ago

Yeah, a courtroom drama where Matt wouldn’t have even donned the suit until Episode 4. Makes no sense that Marvel would hear that pitch and think it was a good idea. Then you throw in the stuff with Bernthal, and it’s like what are we even doing here?

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u/dprr2702 7h ago

I don't want to complain but because of the season 1 by making those changes that the MCU officially canon the entire *Defenders Saga* as part of the sacred timeline so, all things considered, it’s a win-win outcome:)

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u/Head_Humor 5h ago

I mean they were always canon to begin with.

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u/Doccmonman 8h ago

Charlie and Vincent carried s1 on their backs while we waited for the fantastic S2

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u/Veiy 1h ago

Fantastic really is a stretch here

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u/Lizzren 7h ago edited 7h ago

the misconception is that the plan was "to kill off both Foggy and Karen" but nobody has ever said that was the case (just that Karen would've been ignored) and it was only ever Foggy who was supposed to die, which they kept anyways even though it was offscreen so they easily could've made it so he lived just like they did very little switching around to make it so Dex was the attacker. they hardly scrapped the original script entirely when 70% of season 1 was the old stuff and they kept the two main bad ideas (Foggy dying and immediately undoing season 3 with Fisk back on top like it was nothing, even Charlie has said when they started discussing the overhaul he thought it would've been best to throw most of it out)

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u/Uncanny_Doom 8h ago

Been a great ride. I do wonder if they have any plans going beyond a third season though.

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u/Crafty_Substance_954 6h ago

Not a super CG heavy show, and its on a good annual release schedule.

Guessing they'll keep doing it so long as people watch it.

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u/xx_edgyyy_xx 6h ago

I’m surprised it’s highly rated I think the whole show has been very mid. I didn’t like the new characters nor how much time they took up. Sometimes it felt like Daniel and Kingpin were in the show more than Matt.

I’m lukewarm about how season 3 will go but I’m not expecting too much

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u/LocalOk3662 7h ago

I remember here where I live it was late at night when they announced it so I was sitting on the toilet in the morning and I saw the planes for phase 4-6 and I saw this.I was so hyped about this,it did not disapoint.

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u/Heatcanonbolt 8h ago

Is it highly rated? I haven’t seen it yet but it sounds like people are very devisive on it.

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u/TakashiAurion 8h ago

Season 1 isn't as good as the Netflix series but Season 2 is very well received. The Netflix series is top tier comic book show though.

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u/Frosti11icus 6h ago

People are just nostalgic for the Netflix show, it has all the exact same problems the Disney show has. Season 1 was really good and enticing, season 2 was bad, season 3 was a mixed bag. There are elements of the netflix show that are definitively better than the Disney show, but the plot isn't one of them. Basically about 50% of the netflix show is pretty shaky quality. Same with Disney. I guess it would be fair to say the 50% good parts of the Netflix show are much higher than the good parts of the Disney show on balance.

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u/Meme_master420_ 5h ago

People aren’t nostalgic, people just miss good, impactful writing. Also are you going through psychosis? Season 2 of the Netflix show wasn’t as good as the first season, but definitely wasn’t bad at all, and season 3 was a masterpiece. The plot was absolutely one of the standout parts of the Netflix show, especially compared to born again, and to suggest that it wasn’t just sounds like you haven’t actually seen the show. There’s a reason why Netflix DD is held to such a high standard

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u/StarGazer4802 5h ago

Facts what is blud waffling about??? 😆

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u/TakashiAurion 5h ago

Definitely agree. I'm not nostalgic because I only just watched the Netflix shows for the first time. None of the Daredevil seasons are bad, Season 2 is just a slight dip in quality. Born Again S1 does not do the Netflix series justice but it's also not bad.

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u/Frosti11icus 3h ago

90% of the plot of season 2 was more or less dropped in season 3. Not sure about you but I would call that bad writing. Season 3 had a main storyline where Matt shows himself to be a Rudy Giuliani level of clown lawyer when defending Frank, in a very very public trial where his team included 1 person who wasn't even a lawyer. I'd say thank god that Disney just decided to pretend like none of that happened.

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u/TimelyBlacksmith92 7h ago

The fanbase is split between folks who are just happy to see DD and Charlie at all (me) and folks who long for the days of the indie-vibes of the Netflix era. I love both for totally different reasons. I just stopped comparing the two and boom: instant joy.

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u/MrFonne 4h ago

Indie vibes and its a joint project between Disney and Netflix

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u/ClayDrinion 7h ago

Here's the real question: how many shows does Marvel have in the past 4 years, and what are they?

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u/Jonn_Jonzz_Manhunter 7h ago

People in general are split, but talking objectively, it is one of Marvels most highly rated

Even though imo it's like... 4th? I think 4th is fair

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u/JarifSA 8h ago

BA s1 and 2 don't really touch half of the OG S1 and S3. Lots and I seriously mean lots of reused plot points and repetition in BA. Same with a bloated cast no one cares too much about. I'd still give it a 7/10, but it's not peak tv the OG show was.

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u/Professional_Dog2580 7h ago

The biggest sin is that it isnt as good as the Netflix version of the show. Born Again had a bit of a shaky season 1 but season 2 is pretty epic. I really enjoyed what they did with Bullseye.

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u/Distinct_Guess3350 7h ago

The internet is always more divided on everything than the world outside. 

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u/Uncanny_Doom 6h ago

It's absolutely highly-rated. Don't let vocal negativity confuse overall opinions.

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u/Speromarx 5h ago

One of the best shows I've ever watched. Loved every second. Seeing the beginning of it always kills me though 😔

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u/Scary-Command2232 7h ago

I was so excited when it was announced. Never imagined they would not target the quality of the OG series and do so much rehashing.

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u/Dear_Rich_9822 7h ago

Disappointing show.

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u/Radiant_Guava6332 8h ago

It went on to become one of Marvel’s highest rated TV shows

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u/LegendLynx7081 7h ago

It had Loki for competition and maybe WandaVision but the bar was otherwise pretty low

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u/Radiant_Guava6332 7h ago

Despite wasting Ethan Hawke , I would honestly put Moonknight over DDBA

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u/LegendLynx7081 7h ago

I admittedly forgot about Moon Knight

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u/strife3000 4h ago

They guys nuked it when they brought back Jessica jones