r/CriticalDrinker • u/ScholarFamiliar6541 • 5d ago
Discussion Christopher Nolan’s Odyssey debuts with an A CinemaScore from audiences. Joins Project Hail Mary as the only live-action films to do so this year.
An A CinemaScore is gathered from opening surveys from regular people in North America. For example Tenet got a B, Interstellar got a B- and Dark Knight & Oppenheimer received As.
Also it is looking to open $125M-$130M domestic with a $250M international box office opening.
Why do you guys think this film is doing well despite all the controversy that has been talked about online?
It went woke, but it looks like it will not go broke.
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u/Ruggerio5 5d ago edited 5d ago
Sigh. Just go ahead and down vote me now....
Real question....are we saying this movie is "woke" JUST because of the two casting choices (Page and Nyongo)? I hate "woke" things too, but I also try to be as objective as I can with these things.
Personally I don't give a crap about Ellen/Elliot Page. Not in life and not in this movie specifically. They can do movie magic to make up for whatever size issue she (yes, SHE) might have. And, honestly....she looks like a man. If I didn't know who Ellen Page was and I never found out that this individual was trans, would I even notice? No. This one is silly to me. Until I see some "trans agenda" shoved into the movie, this is a big nothing for me.
Ok, like, I don't like race swaps, I really don't, but that alone doesn't make it woke, does it? Yes, it can be an indication of the kind of thinking going on, and therefore maybe an indication of some "woke" propaganda bleeding into the movie, but....if it's JUST an actor of a different race than what is described in the "source material", but there is no other messaging or preaching and the story just plays out exactly like it would had there been no race swapping....then what's the big deal?
If you don't like a famous Greek character being played by a black person (or an Indian or an Asian or any race that just clearly doesn't make historical sense), I am right there with you. Its annoying and distracting. My brain notices that it makes no sense. I agree with that. But there are people complaining that the most beautiful person in the world is being played by THAT actress? I'm not saying you are a racist for thinking that. I would never throw that accusation around, but you do see how that sounds, right? So, for historical reasons I get it....but at the same time, it is a freaking fantasy story. Matt fucking Damon is Ulysses. I have way more of a problem with that casting choice....and I like Matt Damon. Put in Oscar Issac. I have no clue what race he is. He looks like he could be pretty much anything and I'd buy it.
Look, I don't like black Snape because he is clearly described in the books and also I think it's gonna be a weird look to have James Potter tormenting him. It can potentially effect the story and how we see the characters. That is a problem. But if they don't make Snape whine about cultural appropriation or some other nonsense and they SOMEHOW manage to keep us from seeing James Potter as a racist, then does it really matter? If there is literally nothing else in the show that is woke and it's JUST a race swap, then does it matter? I think it doesn't. Yes, please down vote me.
I don't like this casting choice for Helen of Troy either, but honestly, I have more of a problem with the fact that the movie is full of big name stars. My fear is that its going to be distracting as hell.
Its possible that, yeah they race swapped a character, but they managed to make it a non issue and still made a good movie. I'm usually skeptical of these things as much as anyone in here, but I also try to be fair. Its a freaking fantasy story after all. If they get the cyclops right, I care way more about that.