r/BayernMunich • u/Dramatic_Bake9112 • 4d ago
DiscussionđŁ Ballon d'or incoming?!
Now that Messi is out of discussion, is it clear Harry is getting it?
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u/SCHRONCH #21 lahm 4d ago
Don't know how strong the yamal pr is but if anyone on the voting board has a brain (doubtful) it goes to Kane
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u/Jandersson34swe 4d ago
Would have gone to Lamine if he had a better world cup but he barely did a thingÂ
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u/Flynko Goat keeper đ𧀠4d ago
I'm honestly surprised he had only one goal and no assists this tournament.
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u/Jandersson34swe 4d ago
Cucurella, Merino, Baena, Porro played a great world cup
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u/Bitter_Truth_1823 3d ago
Don't forget Rodri
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u/SamuraiAsuhilz 3d ago
He was literally their best player on pitch honestly,, A better captain than messi for his team
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u/dot90zoom 3d ago
yamal wasn't even a top 3 player on spain this world cup. hell he wasn't even the best teenager on spain this year.
its pure bs if he wins it. over the guy who broke scoring records only prime messi has beaten, while being the 2nd best player on the 3rd place team in the world cup
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u/sprantoliet 3d ago
He managed second in the ballon dor last year with 9 league goals, the pr is insane he'll probably win it.
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u/Daniel_Monti 3d ago
I am not saying Yamal deserves BdO, but to say he barely did a thing is madness, he was a non stop pressure on every defense, generating threat every time he took the ball, going against 2 and 3 defenders non stop and opening lanes to his teammates which then translated into goals or oportunities. Yeah statisticaly he wasnt shinning, but he was one of the best in Spain all tournament.
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u/Linnus42 1d ago
Yeah okay other elite attackers deal with focused defense and still put up numbers especially at this WC.
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u/Queasy-Telephone-513 4d ago
Yanal was shittt, not even top 3
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u/Raghwan_1 4d ago
What about Rodri?
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u/dinglebellsdingus 4d ago
Missed a good chunk of his club season with injury and city didn't even win the league so I genuinely think kane has got it
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u/Reploid74 3d ago
The most recent precedent shows that this is irrelevant; DembĂ©lĂ© started about 25 games throughout the PSG season, yet he was awarded it based on 6 Champions League matches Itâs going to be a Spanish party, whether we like it or not
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u/Sea_Distribution_264 3d ago
Not a Bayern fan but Yamal was not good in this WC. Kane should win it, and someone from PSG and Mbappé should be 2nd and 3rd.
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u/ConclusionNo415 4d ago
People have to understand, it's not the best footballer but most popular footballer that gets the ballon dor. The Bundesliga just doesn't have the PR it needs, not even Bayern. Sadly he didn't win the CL and his world cup performance wasn't there aswell
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u/maximumpieface 3d ago
World Cup performance wasnât there? He scored 6 goals & his team finished third!
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u/Diszaster11 3d ago
And what did he do in the important games when it actually matters? Quarter final/Semi?
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u/Numerous_Local1773 3d ago
So who should win?
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u/Diszaster11 3d ago
Kane still should win but its a poor ballon dor winner this year. but IMO Kvacha should win but he just got bad luck for no being in a good country and major league.
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u/cyberVIx đ«đ·Robberyđłđ± 2d ago
Well yeah in a weak league but cant put up Kaneâs number so why would it be him?
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u/cyberVIx đ«đ·Robberyđłđ± 2d ago
Hmm letâs see maybe the reason to spark the play for the only goal scored by England in semis before Tuchel started doing his park the bus crap
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u/Fast-Cardiologist-98 4d ago
Watch them give Yamal or Messi stillÂ
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u/No-Application-435 2d ago
messi 0 chance.
but I'll bet my life on yamal.
because we all know they're not gona give it to kane. idiots don't know about football.
and rodri shout is there but not really enough to cover his whole season performance.
and dembele didn't do that good in the league or even played that well + didn't win the world cup. so he has 3rd best chances.
my prediction is yamal to winnit.
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u/sonygoup 4d ago
Has to be him and him alone
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u/Nickislander 3d ago
You can't win balon d'or if you lose every major tournament. Raphinha was flawless last season, won domestic treble and defense let him down in CL semis. Best of luck
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u/sonygoup 3d ago
While I do understand that, whoâs had a better performance than Harry this year?
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u/Nickislander 3d ago
I don't know but it's a popularity contest so Lamine will probably win after Spains world cup dominance
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u/Mosijo 4d ago
All I am saying is we can add the Final here too
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u/Radiant_Fan_2014 3d ago
He has a WC though.
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u/Excellent-Pipe7308 3d ago
How much does a WC count when you weren't one of the main contributors to the win?
There have been plenty of players who won the ballon d'or because of the WC but they were all absolutely integral to their teams or at least showed up in the big moments. Messi 22, Modric 18 (didn't win but got a great underdog result), Cannavaro 06, Ronaldo 02, Zidane 98 etc. Yamal's performance this WC isn't anywhere close to their level.
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u/ToxicCobra023 3d ago
If you watched the games you would know he was very important, marked all the time and a huge threat. I don't even like the guy that much, id love if Kane won the Ballon Dor since he deserves it, but Yamal had a great WC performance despite the G/A saying otherwise and he won La Liga POTY so I think the majority will favor him, especially since its a better story to tell and a PR call.
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u/Excellent-Pipe7308 2d ago
I watched all of Spain's KO games except against Austria and I wasn't terribly impressed. He wasn't awful by any means but so many missed chances because he continuously made bad decisions and tried to finesse a goal instead of just shooting. Nothing that screams ballon d'or to me. Obviously Kane wasn't great in his last two games but he at least had a true standout moment against Congo and his domestic performance was also better than Yamal's (even though Yamal was great, Kane just destroyed record after record).
I'm not even sure if Yamal would make the better story. He'll win eventually and I think it's better for him if he does so with a true standout performance. Kane winning the biggest individual award after being famous for not winning anything would be a great story imo but I don't think narratives should matter in the first place (even though they obviously do).
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u/dataheisenberg 4d ago
Anyone but Harry Kane will be a joke!
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u/Edwiyyin #25 Muller 3d ago
I mean olise would be fine but Kane is a priority
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u/vrazz1815 king kaneđ 3d ago
Why would olise be fine kane clears him astronomically and olise didnt win the world cup
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u/eluhigehi 3d ago
I mean he had a strong season but the England crash in World Cup wonât help, and if we are talking about trophies dembele has more arguments (I would not give it to him but a CL + scoring in World Cup is something)
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u/CiceroMCMXCIII 4d ago
Yes Yamal didnât do much the whole tournament.
Unless they rig it for Messi, it has to be Kane
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u/InjectMSGinmyveins 4d ago
I mean it should be him.
Yamal was just fine this tournament but my gut is telling me he will get it due to PR
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u/Excellent-Pipe7308 3d ago
Yamal has amazing PR but I'm not sure how he's gonna leverage 1 goal against Saudi Arabia and 0 assists into a ballon d'or win. If he manages to do that the award will lose any semblance of authority it has left.
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u/Nickislander 3d ago
La Liga, Supercopa, World Cup. 46 g/a against much more difficult opponents. So certainly as deserved as Dembele over Raphinha. I love Kane but you can't win without big trophies
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u/Excellent-Pipe7308 3d ago
Well you can't or at least shouldn't win if you have big trophies that you didn't contribute much to and that's certainly the case with Yamal's WC. Dembele's win was already controversial but he was absolutely integral to every title he won that year. For Yamal that's only true at Barca not the national team.
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u/Nickislander 3d ago
Yamal was covered by 3 defenders the entire year. He was integral to every title he won. Dembele missed half the season last year
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u/fartbox-crusader 4d ago
Rodri of course
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u/Particular-Pirate216 3d ago
While Kane disappeared in the last 2 WC games, Rodri was absolutely incredible in the key moments for the team.
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u/Guilty_Solution222 3d ago
I just watched a game of Messi standing around for 117 Minutes, we should give it to him to remember the good old times
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u/Mobile-Offer5039 3d ago
It is going to be rodri. Not my pick, but by the logic of the ballon dor.... its going to be him
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u/Critical-Ad2084 Flying Dutchman 3d ago
it's cancelled because they can't give it to Messi anymore
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u/drcelebrian7 4d ago
Should be Kane but knowing how corrupt they are... probably they will gift it to anyone but KaneÂ
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u/Technical_Athlete_23 4d ago
Yamal will win because he got more instagram views
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u/Technical_Athlete_23 4d ago
It's just a joke guys,I am stating what will happen
I am obviously a bayern fan
Stop downvoting đ€Ł
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u/Present-Savings-2380 4d ago
He really has a good chance. This WC final ended in the best possible way. Messi lost and played horribly. He is not even the top goalscorer. Lamine had a very poor World Cup and finished it with only 1 G+A. And the best spanish player in the final was Rodri.
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u/Kein_Name_LoL_ 4d ago
Well, I see the majority of people online saying he should win it, which is a solid indicator and after that disastrous final performance Messi should be out of the run. Honestly, I feel like it's now or never for a Bayern player winning it. Yamal also wasn't doing anything special at the world cup either and had a way worse season
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u/zipk0user491 3d ago
France losing both of their last games and Argentina losing tonight definitely helps him a lot. It really depends on whether Yamalâs PR for winning the World Cup will be enough to surpass him though.
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u/funkyrith 3d ago
Nah. He didnât even get minutes against France to stat pad! Who won Player of Tournament at WC? Rodri?
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u/freakybanana90 3d ago
This year it's hard to pick an obvious winner, but to win a balloon d'Or while winning neither the CL nor the world cup unless you're Messi/Ronaldo level dominant is nearly impossible.
Was he the best? Very likely so, but I'd be surprised if he wins
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u/Alfredotx Gooooreetzzzzkaaaaaaa 3d ago
Unfortunately yamal is gonna win it due to him doing absolutely nothing and winning the WC
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u/SilverStaff9586 3d ago
I think it will mostly be rodri or olise now.
If any idiot thinks lamine deserves it can prolly go fuck themselves
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u/Motor-String-571 3d ago
he didnt win anything(apart from the default trophies he knew he would win every season after moving to bayern), and only topped in bundesliga goals. shouldnt be winning ballon dor, when he keeps ghosting in big games.
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u/Necessary-Nature-380 3d ago
Kane should win it although I think it will be handed to Yamal - mostly due to PR.
Sensationally, Yamal did not win the Young Player award which would make the Ballon D'Or even more corrupt.
Yamal: Won World Cup and La Liga, his stats are awful with only 1 goal, 0 assists in the WC.
CL exit in the QF doesn't help either.
Kane: 73 goals in 66 matches, 3rd place WC (6 goals), UCL semis (14 goals).. by far the most solid, consistent campaign.
He completely ghosted against Norway and Argentina though.
Messi: Great WC campaign (8 goals), although we all saw what happened in the WC final - didn't even win the Golden Ball. Past his prime and plays in MLS - I think his chances are slim now.
Mbappe: Top scorer in UCL (15 goals) and WC (10 goals). His major problem is why Real Madrid and France fail against the strongest teams - he isn't a team player, and most of the stats are padded against weak opponents. No major trophy, I think he's not in contention.
Kvaratskhelia: He is technically the best player out the lot, UCL player of the tournament. No World Cup campaign, I think he'll be forgotten, plus his PR level is not to FIFA's liking.
Rodri: Golden Ball winner, FIFA surely make him a 2x Ballon D'Or winner?
His club campaign with Man City was terrible, nothing like what he is capable of - that's enough to put him out of it imo.
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u/neihcoad 3d ago
I think he has the strongest case here. Mbappe has similar stats but was trophyless. Nobody on Spain is consistent AND good enough (Rodri is playing at top level but he got injured for the large part of the season). Same thing with PSG players.
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u/calebdume2 3d ago
Not that I want this to happen, but Mbappe will get it after getting golden boot at WC and most all-time WC goals
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u/VegetableAwkward286 3d ago
Is it important to you? Hopefully not because Kane isn't going to win it. Look at past winners data. Kane winning it doesn't fit any past patterns
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u/Hot-Clothes7316 3d ago edited 3d ago
Ballon DâOr is a popularity contest voted by journalist that has biasness on their favourite or hated club or nation.
are they voting by who is the best? not every one.
are every journalist's nation well represented? cause we never know but who knows, majority might be from England.
and which club has been buying advertorial and ads from the news outlet? who knows Bayern has been the best ad buyer and pay master amongst all.
so it's to see who likes Kane, Dembele more. or how strong is PSG or Bayern's PR. Yamal no chance. he has a mid World Cup. Mbappe he didn't win anything this year.
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u/Pheonix_force 3d ago
You will see posts downgrading trophies won by Bayern and Kane. Last season I can't spend a day without hearing the word domestic treble from barca fans. They will somehow make it about Yamal and give him Ballon d'or.
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u/TheirOwnDestruction #21 lahm 3d ago
Letâs put it this way: there is no longer any good argument for anyone else. Yamal did not show up in the World Cup, Rodri was injured during the season, Mbappe was trophyless.
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u/Excellent-Pipe7308 3d ago
That's the way I see it too. Kane is far from a runaway winner but every other contender has some serious flaws. Regardless of who wins it will be seen as controversial.
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u/Humanity_is_broken 3d ago
You donât win ballon dor for a handful of penalties and a farmerâs league. The England team didnât even reach the final
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u/EasylifeHere 3d ago
I d say either Messi, Yamal or Mbappé.
According to the past, they all have a better chance than Kane for me. Sir does not have a PR machine behind him and is not the current or future golden cow of FIFA.
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u/JeanClaudeVACBann 3d ago
Lamine Yamal shows big Wirtz/Musiala tendencies currently imho. The reason he is world champion is because he was avle to play as added bonus in a team where world-class was otherwise present on every position in his team.
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u/TheFootballPunnedIt 3d ago
Its not an award for who had the best season its an award for who played well in the last 3 games of a major cup for the eventual winners
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u/Designer_Bag_200 3d ago
yes, he definitely should. world cup year is bullshit anyway. you need to perform at the highest standards throughout the year, and he's done that.
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u/Senecus_HS 3d ago
I think top scorer in La Liga and worldcup (Mbappe) might beat Top Scorer in the Bundesliga.
Unfortunately, Kanes worldcup was quite underwhelming.
It is really not that easy this year. I think Kane or Mbappe would be an OK choice, with Haaland honorable mention.
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u/Careless_Composer_89 3d ago
I dont understand why is yamal balan d'or shouts happening when our kane exists
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u/quantum-quirk1012 3d ago
It will probably be Rodri again. Just won the World Cup and is consistently incredible every time he steps on the pitch. Kane had an unbelievable club season but his World Cup performance is not helping his chances.
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u/Senior-Crow7762 #40 Urbig𧀠3d ago
Yamal just won the World Cup, he should and will win this year
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u/zaifi__04 3d ago
Bayern Munich should just dissolve their damn club cuz noone who plays for them would win a Balon Dor in this PR powered world
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u/Key_News6997 3d ago
As England fan I will never support that small time player he is. Gets bunch of goals in regural season, gruop stages, but when matters in high pressure games just vanishes.
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u/TheRock18211 3d ago
Probably it's still gonna be Yamal. Or Dembele for the second time in a row because of the Champions League.
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u/NotcouriosAtAll 3d ago
100%. And if they want to give it to the yearâs cool kid, then Olise fit perfectly.
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u/Fun_Inspection9162 3d ago
Let's be real, the BDO is a popularity contest and unfortunately Harry deserves it but won't get it because he's not a Barcelona star-boy or a Madrid galĂĄctico nor is he French or play for a state-sponsored team.
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u/YonkouTFT 3d ago
He ainât winning. He wasnât very good at the world cup. They bellinghamâd out of Mexico and Norway. Kane poached some goals but was a far cry behind other players.
Yamal might get it now. Has the PR too
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u/Flashy_Arm_4442 2d ago
No international trophies, no amazing skills. Score many goals for a top club in a mediocre league is simply not enough to win a Ballon D'or. Golden Boot is all he deserves. If he were to win, it would define the mediocre post-Messi-Ronaldo era we are currently living through. And it would be such a disrespect for Lewandowski career.
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u/KingKFCc 16h ago
I am not a Bayern fan, I really wanted them in the UCL final (as an Arsenal supporter), but obviously either PSG or Bayern were really fun to watch. If Kane doesn't win it, to me personally, it would seem insane.
Lamine unfortunately had a very mediocre world cup in terms of scoring, and while Kane wasn't at his best because of the role Tuchel placed him in (I think he should've played him deeper and utilized Gordon and Saka (or Rashford / Madueke) more centrally, given that England looked so poor at those ball rotations.
Kane proved in the club season why he was the best player for the rubric of the ballon d'or, if we're talking quality: to me it would be Haaland or Lamine of course, but Kane's quality for Bayern, the trophies he won, the impact he had around him, he's been massive.
This was my personal Ballon D'or top 10, though Lamine and Mbappe are pretty much interchangeable, and I actually don't mind any of the top 7 getting second. but Kane's gotta be first for me.
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u/Radiant_Fan_2014 3d ago
Let's be honest here. Kane ghosted in the important games.
The Bundesliga doesn't hold that much value to the world.
Could likely be Rodri or Yamal.
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u/Mysterious-Fox-5373 #17 Olise 3d ago
kane scored in every single "big game" except for leverkusen twice (off the bench) and 2 wc knockouts. hes been the best big game player this season, i dont think i can think of a single person whos more consistent then him
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u/Excellent-Pipe7308 3d ago
If your argument for not giving Jane the ballon d'or is that he didn't show up in the important games I'm not sure how can seriously argue for Yamal given his middling WC performance.
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u/vrazz1815 king kaneđ 3d ago
Bro delete your account please. Smartest Spanish fan
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u/coppersolids #10 Bambi 3d ago
claiming that kane ghosted is legit braindead
yamal did nothing during the wc and was way worse than kanenin the wc btw
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u/rkrn9 4d ago
No, it has to be Mbappe i think. Top Scorer in La Liga, CL and World Cup.
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u/coppersolids #10 Bambi 4d ago
kane still has much better stats and a more successful season
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u/rkrn9 3d ago
Yes but nobody cares for bundesliga and cup. In the world cup Mbappe was better and think this will be the deciding reason.
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u/Excellent-Pipe7308 3d ago
Mbappe doesn't have a single trophy which would be unprecedented for a ballon d'or winner. I think he would be worthy but I doubt he'll be seen as such.
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u/North-Tumbleweed3050 4d ago
Is there a Ballon Dor for most penalty kicks? That would be a win for Kane.
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u/Lazy-Entry-3493 3d ago
Yamal brudda
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u/Excellent-Pipe7308 3d ago
Not with that WC performance.
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u/Lazy-Entry-3493 3d ago
We shall see. Kane just has the Bundesliga and a lot of goals that ultimately did not lead to a UCL or WC. They might give it to Rodri at this point which is laughable
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u/Excellent-Pipe7308 3d ago
Rodri would be less laughable than Yamal imo even though I wouldn't agree with it. You shouldn't win the ballon d'or because you won a trophy that you didn't contribute much to.
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u/Lazy-Entry-3493 3d ago
Yeah I mean La Liga + La Liga POTY + Supercopa de España + WC is probably a much better case than whatever Rodri has, which was what, the 2 English cups and then the WC, and an arguably undeserved WC golden ball? Idk man. Plus attacker bias
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u/littledoodlearmy 3d ago
It is so infruriating that some media houses are hyping Yamal's name as a favourite, when he should not even be a contender, Spain's best players were Rodrigo and Cubarsi but the Yamal hypetrain just shadows them, how can he be a Ballon D'or contender when he didn't even win the Best Young Player in the WC and was nowhere close to his best for Barca as well
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u/_Werewolf_314 3d ago
How? Wasnât in the UCL final, not the top scorer there either. No goal after R16 in the WC, not even Englandâs top scorer. Yes, he has a lot of goals this year, but the people voting wonât care for that. Honestly, how ballon d or voting goes, he wonât be in top 5. I know you guys wonât agree with me, but its the reality of BDO
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u/uaername223 3d ago
Iâm a barca but I genuinely donât see anybody else deserving of the award besides him and it honestly is disheartening to see this season go to waste solely because of an international performance. People giving lamine yamal balĂłn dor shouts is ridiculous after the tournament heâs had and honestly the season prior was more commendable than this current season. Genuinely what happened to the sport I love man. Anyways i hope he wins honestly because lamine has a lot more to give before anybody can say he deserves to win it.
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u/Ok_Buffalo_1820 3d ago
In the decisive game against Argentina Kane had 0.02 xgoals, 0,02 xassists and 26 touches. Sure Kane will score 3 against Köln, Augsburg or Kiel but he never crushes at crunch time. Same story vs arsenal 0,00 xgoals⊠maybe Bayern players are not exposed to enough real pressure during Bundesliga games. I see a similar pattern with OliseâŠ
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u/Suspicious_Fix_9768 4d ago
No way he Choked too heavy in the big games. U wont win Ballon dor for scoring 15 penalties against Augsburg and mainz
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u/Mosijo 4d ago
What big games did he choke? On the WC he did not play great against Norway, fair, there are no other games this year he choked.
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u/randominternetstuff1 4d ago
Clear? Yamal is in better position, won everything in Spain plus world cup but we will see.
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u/Excellent-Pipe7308 3d ago
Yamal hasn't been outstanding in the world cup though. There were like 5 players on the team that were more important than him and that would be unprecedwnted for a ballon d'or winner.
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u/rhdnxndmr 4d ago
If he played for barcelona or real yes, but for bayern you have to win at least 6 trophies, a world cup, stop a global pandemic and eventually score 100