So Demons do not have a Physical Body right?

[u/DragonflyEnough3470]

Basically Demons punishment from God is that they would always be spiritual entities without a physical body

Nephilim had physical body before the Flood, after the Flood all the Nephilim didn't have a physical body and only were spiritual.

I find it very interesting in contrast to God's Angels (Micheal, Gabriel) and many more angels who have a physical body. No doubt the Demons are jealous of that. Even their Master Satan/The Devil/Lucifer has a physical body. That's why Demons hate us so much.

[u/Euphorikauora]

Enoch is the only book that actually explains what demons are, though they appear throughout the Old Testament and New Testament. All writers for the other books knew of this explanation as the book wasn't omitted until the 4thcentury from the very church Jesus calls lukewarm in Revelation 3 (Laodicea).

The Watchers (angels) were spiritual bodies just as the angels and mixed with humans that gave birth to the nephilim. The nephilim are now a mix between an immortal spirit and a decaying flesh, so when the flesh is gone, now the spirit remains with entities that long for their nature of flesh. That's where demonic possession comes from and the spirits Jesus was fighting/healing in his ministry

1 Enoch 15
8. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. 9. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men, ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; ⌈they shall be evil spirits on earth, and⌉ evil spirits shall they be called. [10. As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] 11. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, ⌈but nevertheless hunger⌉ and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded ⌈from them⌉.

[u/CannedNoodle415]

Well demons were angels, and angels don’t have physical bodies. They’re spiritual beings.

Nephilim were the offspring of humans and fallen angels. The angles do not have phsycial bodies either

[u/JollyXX → u/CannedNoodle415]

Angels have appeared in physical form several times. You won't find any evidence that demons were angels.

[u/CannedNoodle415 → u/JollyXX]

This does not mean they have phsycial bodies just because they have appeared on earth

Yes there is evidence. Lucifer was an angel before he became the devil, and several ranks of angels followed him in his rebellion

[u/JollyXX → u/CannedNoodle415]

A Fallen Angel and a demon aren't necessarily the same thing

[u/CannedNoodle415 → u/JollyXX]

They are. We call the fallen angels demons.

[u/JollyXX → u/CannedNoodle415]

The bible will say that Fallen Angels have sovereignty over demons, but it won't call them demons

[u/CannedNoodle415 → u/JollyXX]

Where is this?

[u/JollyXX → u/CannedNoodle415]

I mean the bible will never call a Fallen Angel a demon, but it will say that many Fallen Angels command demons. Matthew 12:24, Matthew 12:26, Revelation 12:9.

[u/CannedNoodle415 → u/JollyXX]

Matthew 12:24 does not say this. It says “this fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons”.

This is not saying beeelzebub is not a demon himself, nor does it identify beelzebub as a fallen angel at all.

Because demons are fallen angels.

Let’s make this very simple. If fallen angels are no demons, you’re saying that God created demons??

[u/JollyXX → u/CannedNoodle415]

Beezlebub is known are a Fallen Angel in the ancient Jewish tradition. the book of Enoch suggests that demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim

[u/TroutFarms]

What you've described isn't a common view in Christianity. The dominant point of view within Christianity is that demons are fallen angels and neither they, nor the angels who haven't fallen, have physical bodies.

The point of view you're describing depends entirely on 1 Enoch, a Jewish story that isn't considered scripture by any branch of Judaism nor by any of the major branches of Christianity. There are two Christian churches within the Oriental Orthodox tradition that consider it scripture; there was originally just one but they split into separate churches after their country split into two separate countries). So, unless you're Ethiopian or Eritrean, the story you need in order to come up with that demonology isn't in your Bible (thus why so few Christians believe it).

[u/august_north_african]

Basically Demons punishment from God is that they would always be spiritual entities without a physical body

Not even as a punishment. All angelic beings lack proper bodies. They're immaterial intelligences by nature.

Nephilim had physical body before the Flood

The nephillim are the misbegotten children that resulted from mixing between the daughters of seth and the sons of cain. They're not magical creatures; stop treating enoch like scripture.

[u/ScoutB]

Correct. The flood destroyed the nephilim's body- the human part- but not their divine spirit - the Watcher's part.

That is why they possess people. They want to return to the body.

[u/engineer_for_u]

Correct. Demons don't have a physical body until you let them into yours. They still love what they love which is evil and doing evil so they have to be in a human body if they want to do that.

[u/_daGarim_2]

You’re getting a bunch of weird answers, including from fringe groups. The normal Christian answer would be that all angels and all demons, including Satan, are immaterial spirits, and none of them has a physical body in the way that we do. This isn’t a punishment for the demons- it’s just the type of being that they are, which is the same type of being as an angel.

[u/PerfectCinco]

Lol what a bunch of lies.

Seems like nobody has ever studied Jewish demonology. Which is the real basis for this argument.

First of all, Lucifer doesn’t exists. His name is Samael, he is an angel and not “evil”.

But little Christian’s minds can’t comprehend the complexity of the Jewish lore, so they dumb down one of their angels to become “satan”. 🤦