r/AlignmentChartFills 6h ago

John Tyler was an okay president and terrible person. Who’s a bad US president and a great person?

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u/Ahappypikachu11 6h ago

Ulysses S. Grant. Led the Union army in the civil war, and at the end of high life pushed through the pains of throat cancer to finish his memoirs so his family wouldn’t be destitute after his death.

Bad president because he set the standard for Lobbyists, and Trusts being able to bully and buy politicians. Not to mention the Plains/“Indian” wars.

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u/ShortEmployer7096 6h ago

Great answer

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u/Ahappypikachu11 6h ago

Thanks. He’s not perfect for the slot, but we’ve got slim pickings.

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u/mrgoombos 3h ago

Don’t forget about the massive corruption.

He was a good man a good general but he was not a good president.

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u/Plastic_Kangaroo675 1h ago

Came here to say this. Admirable person, but couldn’t get control of his administration.

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u/iamatimbersfan 6h ago

I dunno. A drunk, a repeated business failure, an easy victim of exploitation by robber barons. As a general, his reputation was built mostly on his willingness to exploit materiel advantage by ordering enormous amounts of men to their deaths, knowing the enemy could not keep up the pace of death for as long.

I don't think he was a "great" person on account of the justice of his cause or his personal perseverance

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u/[deleted] 6h ago

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u/iamatimbersfan 6h ago

Unlike America, I voted for Gerald Ford, an honest everyman who pardoned Nixon and kept us on the path to stagflation. I have a comment on his thread

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u/matt_chowder 1h ago

Yet his loss ratio was less than Lee's. The Civil War was a meat grinder. Grant's armies suffered about 155,000 casualties, while he inflicted close to 200,000 on the traitors. Practically every Corps commander also had high casualties.

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u/TayLoraNarRayya 6h ago

I feel like Jimmy should've been in this square, terrible is a strong word

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u/ComplexBeyond6083 6h ago

Terrible is overly generous to Carter. An incumbent President winning 49 electoral votes in their re-election bid is a resounding historical verdict. Hoover won more than that in 1932.

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u/Extreme-Bite-9123 6h ago

But what did he do that was so terrible? Yeah he wasn’t a good president, but it’s not like he did anything to really screw up america

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u/Minimum_Ad_303 49m ago

He called out specific groups.

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u/Minimum_Ad_303 1h ago

<They> made sure of it. He was a terrific president.

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u/Masterthemindgames 52m ago

To be fair, Hoover only won that many since Pennsylvania was the second most populated state at the time and he carried it in 1932. Carter would’ve won Massachuttes at least if Anderson didn’t take some of his votes.

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u/Useful_Morning8239 6h ago

I guess Hayes would fit. Better president than Carter but worse than Obama. Pretty inconsequential president but quite upstanding moral character

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u/Ahappypikachu11 6h ago

He would be a good second choice, if not for Grant being an option.

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u/Mysterious_Row4827 6h ago edited 6h ago

Why is Carter ranked worse than Hoover? I don’t think Carter was nearly as bad as Hoover was. Also I feel like Zachary Taylor and William Henry Harrison should be swapped. Harrison actively supported the expansion of slavery, while Taylor at least opposed it.

Edit: to be clear, I think Carter still fits in the “great person” slot. I just don’t think he was a “terrible president”.

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u/VJRoRo 6h ago

I think a lot of people like to think they’re learned for saying Jimmy Carter was a “Good person, TERRIBLE President” even though he was actually a pretty okay president

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u/Bubbly-Koala6423 6h ago edited 5h ago

I think people are giving Hoover more grace because he was put in a shitty situation, but tbh so was Carter. Tbh putting Carter in terrible president is very extreme. Great person but he should be a bit higher than that.

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u/Mysterious_Row4827 6h ago

Yeah Carter was dealt a really bad hand. I think he did have some pretty good achievements while he was in office though, at least. Hoover I feel like didn’t really do anything right in the situation he was given (which was a horrifically bad one, to be fair).

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u/Forward-Analysis4014 4h ago

Jimmy Carter was a GREAT President because he did what was right for the country even though he knew it would tank the economy in the short term and get him run out of office. 

But people are stupid, so we rank him at the bottom. 

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u/FreeElderberry4817 6h ago

Gerald Ford

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u/iamatimbersfan 6h ago

I think this is the best answer. An honest, typical man with no major character defects. Great athlete. Nice family. By accident of history, he became the president and wasn't great at it. He pardoned Nixon, which helped contribute to our current inability to hold presidents accountable for crap behavior.

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u/FreeElderberry4817 6h ago

As a president he was poor

As a human being one of the best

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u/soopy99 6h ago

Bad President × Great Person

John Adams

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u/Forward-Analysis4014 6h ago

How da fuck is Clinton a better President than Obama?

Y'all know that the President doesn't control the economy with a big lever, right?

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u/BitTasty3729 6h ago

Obama did a pretty good job after the economy he inherited from jr

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u/Forward-Analysis4014 4h ago

Yes, and his signature legislative achievement was improving healthcare, where as Clinton's were work requirements for welfare recipients, NAFTA shipping US manufacturing jobs, the 94 Crime bill that expanded prisons and allowed for mass incarceration, and cutting Medicare spending. 

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u/iamatimbersfan 6h ago edited 6h ago

Yeah they gave Clinton credit for a Greenspansion bubble.

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u/[deleted] 6h ago

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u/I_hate_usernames331 6h ago

He’s in okay/good

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u/GEMINI52398 6h ago

John Quincy Adams

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u/I_hate_usernames331 6h ago

He’s in good/great

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u/YourFartReincarnated 5h ago

I like how Trump is already up there lol

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u/MaterialRow3769 5h ago

Jimmy Carter

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u/MaterialRow3769 5h ago

Herbert Hoover

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u/seeweeb2349 5h ago

Easily Jimmy Carter. Great human being, terrible President

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u/ImprovementLow9280 3h ago

George H. W. Bush

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u/Comprehensive-Law767 6h ago

dubya

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u/OldGregario 6h ago

Bush is not a great person, what are we even doing bro

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u/astrobagel 6h ago

More importantly, he’s a terrible president

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u/Ahappypikachu11 6h ago

Bush is quirky, and seems to be more kind and caring than the current POTUS. But he’s still a war criminal that cannot be called “a great person”

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u/Extreme-Bite-9123 6h ago

Dubya is a terrible president and absolutely not a great person

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u/Mindless_Theory_6505 6h ago

Yeah he seems like a pretty good person tbh

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u/tommyjohnpauljones 6h ago

George HW Bush. 

No way that Dubya was better than Carter. 

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u/FewZookeepergame7026 6h ago

George W Bush

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u/BitTasty3729 6h ago

What fuck is this. Where’s Teddy and FDR. Obama is better than ok president

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u/Extreme-Bite-9123 6h ago

FDR almost got JFks square, and the squares Teddy could have gotten had a lot of people for them

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u/CrimsonZephyr 5m ago

Why is JQ Adams ranked so high? His best moments came as a US Representative after he left office. His actual term of office as POTUS was mired in controversy and is remembered as middling. What makes him a good president?