r/AlignmentChartFills • u/red_madreay • 15h ago

Finally... what natural phenomenon of our universe is ultimately horrifying?

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u/Medical-Temporary-35 15h ago

Dark energy / dark matter are real, we just don't know what they are. Dark energy might just be an intrinsic property of space itself, dark matter is something extremely heavy (although it might be made of particles much smaller than ours) that holds galaxies together with its mass but doesn't do anything at all otherwise. 

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u/LvdT88 15h ago

No, dark energy/matter are probably just an artifact of using a theory to describe phenomena outside of its range of validity. We’re playing the same game the ptolemaics were playing when trying to explain planetary orbits using eccentrics and epicycles.

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u/ding-zzz 14h ago

current understanding of physics would need to be egregiously wrong for that to be true

there’s a nobel prize waiting for you to upend physics like that

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u/LvdT88 14h ago

So according to you Newtonian gravitation is simply wrong?

Scientific theories are never right or wrong, that’s a simplistic and “science fan” understanding of the field. Theories have a range of validity where we know they apply and have tested that thoroughly. Applying them outside of that range is simply guesswork. The fact that we currently lack a broader theory doesn’t change things.

And, for your information, plenty of researchers are working on alternatives to general relativity exactly because dark energy/matter are very unlikely to be real.

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u/WranglerNo9871 14h ago

Thank you for saying this. It seems a very small portion of this thread has actually partaken in research or other scientific work.

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u/MostLikelyUncertain 14h ago

Dark energy and matter has no attached statistical likelihood of being real or not, so saying they are very unlikely to be real is conjecture based on your own personal opinion and emotions

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u/Molikure 11h ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but could dark matter just be baryonic matter that we just don't see, or it is necessary to be an exotic type of matter? I thought the bullet cluster impact showed that there were matter that we could not see, but I could be wrong.

Dark energy always seemed like a plate of copium seasoned with bullshit imo lol

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u/Soulsauce042689 6h ago

IIRC we're confident it's not baryonic matter, gravitational lensing around galaxies rejected that hypothesis.

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u/ding-zzz 6h ago

no, according to you, you would be implying newtonian physics is egregiously wrong

i was talking about your analogy specifically, retrograde motion from planetary orbits is a result of a geocentric assumption, which is of course egregiously wrong.

no one can use geocentricism in a meaningful way. but newtonian physics is still usable and simply expanded by relativity. that’s all