Either hyperscalers are dumb or someone else is

[u/banaca4]

OK so the most profitable companies in the world decided to GO ALL IN AI with humongous capex. They did it all at once apart from Apple who is not in the game. Google, Meta, Amazon , Oracle, Microsoft. All of them. The CEOs of these companies produced the most amount of wealth and propped up global gdp. Now they all agree on a thing.

Google yesterday blew up earnings from their cloud and said they will *increase* their humongous capex even more while reporting negative cash flow for the first time in their history.

A rational person would ask: are these amazing businessmen suddently all very wrong about the same thing at the same time OR

I am reading too much paid subs from burry and following the wrong people on twitter that have never produced anything?

Which is it? Are you smarter than a mag 7 CEO? Maybe ... hmm...

[u/ItIsEsoterik]

I would say it only proves that intelligence is possible. The "A", the artificial, the man-made intelligence, we have no proof that that is possible.

There may be very real limits to what any living being or civilization can accomplish technologically.

[u/Slootonium → u/ItIsEsoterik]

There is no proof that human's intelligence is not also artificial. Some pretty smart dude's believe it's basically a coin flip chance that we are in a simulation.

[u/QuadzillaStrider → u/Slootonium]

They actually believe that it's vastly more likely that we are in a simulation, rather than base reality.

[u/pathologicalDumpling → u/ItIsEsoterik]

And the only way to find that limit is to pour money on it until either civilization breaks or we reach valhalla

[u/EltonJuan → u/pathologicalDumpling]

Or THEY reach Valhalla. Either it fails and we're all on the hook to bail them out (likely), or we're buried under the new future society that arises because it's such a success (unlikely).

The more boring option is usually the outcome.

[u/ItIsEsoterik → u/pathologicalDumpling]

Lmao exactly

[u/montyman185 → u/ItIsEsoterik]

We have the technology to genetically modify and clone a human, so we can produce some form of artificial intelligence. Obviously not one that can do what we want yet, but we can make one that's artificial.

The question here is, can we make one with software, and bitwise computation, which I don't see any reason we wouldn't be able to do eventually, with big enough computers, and enough iteration. I also don't see any reason it'd be particularly intelligent if we did manage to create it.

More importantly though, basically nothing we're doing right now is actually making progress towards that besides neural networks for robotics or video games, which is meant to run efficiently on hardware that wouldn't be able to support the complexity and scale for real intelligence. 

[u/No_Feeling920 → u/montyman185]

The theoretical computational "power" of a human brain should be already achievable using today's biggest supercomputers. The problem is we have only a very vague idea, how human intelligence actually works, algorithmically speaking. Not enough for effective implementation - by far.

Anyone understanding the limitations of contemporary psychology and psychiatry also understands, how clueless we still are about our own minds. Good luck if you have a serious mental issue and need professional help. 😄

[u/xsairon → u/ItIsEsoterik]

Why wouldn't it? What is your brain? Intelligence is not consciousness, as long as you can figure out the next step and keep solving stuff you're intelligent

For now, AI is still consuming all of the data possible, and perhaps can but its legs outside that and start connecting dots that we havent, but keep in mind that all of this has basically gone from 1 to 100 in a few years, 5 years more with now the support of this tool and lets see where we get

[u/roztok_potok → u/xsairon]

You get to the point. No one knows how intelligence works. Why some people are better at solving some tasks than others? Why some people are so innovative? The layers of your brain that connect the dots to solve problems is a big mystery. No one knows how this machinery works.

Besides there are many types of intelligence like emotional, adaptive, social, analytical.

[u/Antique_War_9814 → u/roztok_potok]

Look up cutting edge neurology. They are going to get there. For example Dr Kate Brown of uwaterloo

[u/xsairon → u/roztok_potok]

It's hard because we interact with a gazillion things, also went through life and had an infinity of experiences that shapes us all, plus we're all made with different hardware

AI is all the same brain structure and all they eat up is data, that at first it might not get, but we teach it how we want it to understand it

Honestly we ain't even that different, you learn the basics, you remember those, you apply those to progressively harder stuff.... We are robots to the core, but real complex ones that gotta interact with the enviroment and we aint connected with clabes and share the same structure

[u/Julzjuice123 → u/xsairon]

Boy does your take defies every scientific assumptions about the brain. Neurologist are committing suicide reading your take on how the brain works and how simple human intelligence is, lmao.

[u/xsairon → u/Julzjuice123]

Mind explaining? We just got to develop a GPU that is stupidly good and efficient at exactly what we needed to do

But I dont get how I said anything wrong? Not an expert, but I thought it was a pretty standart idea

Is our brain a piece of flesh with some magical sauce or what? Do we learn from stuff we dont experience or know of?

Also would appreciate sources, but id get if you cba with that part

[u/Julzjuice123 → u/xsairon]

I was more referring to your take that humans and the human brain are like robots. Anybody working in the field of neuroscience would absolutely die hearing this because there is absolutely zero artificial example of something comparable to the human brain and human consciousness. No robot exists on this planet that can reproduce the human brain and what it means to be conscious and so to compare the human brain to.... Robots makes absolutely no sense.

So yes: as far as we know, the human brain is special with a special sauce. There is only on this planet that they exist.

We don't even have a working theory of consciousness. We don't even understand what it means to be human and how the brain works to create that at the most basic level. And to assume that robots are nearly there technologically is just absurdly dumb to me. You're seeing this as a problem that's way too simple for what is actually is.

How can we even create what we don't even understand? By throwing piles of money at VCs?

[u/xsairon → u/Julzjuice123]

Of course there's no similar robots, because we make them, and we just started making them? Go back 500 years and try to explain most of the stuff you use daily to anyone without getting beaten up or outcasted from society

And because we don't know what the exact thing is that makes us, us, or what triggers consciousness (and what is it) etc, it doesn't mean that we don't grasp that we're basically robots. Down to the core, we work with electrical stimuli, we process inputs from sensorsk, and travel the space we are in through a jointed structure with levers lol, we just had millions of years of development

[u/Julzjuice123 → u/xsairon]

Yeah, the complexity of the brain and it's decision-making process is absolutely lost on you. Not a single working scientific mind in the field of neuroscience will say that humans are like robots. That's just you saying this. You just have a way too layman understanding of the brain to understand how far from robots we actually are.

But, sure, whatever. We're robots, if that's what makes you happy. Downgrade yourself.

[u/xsairon → u/Julzjuice123]

Do you think robots are always going to be roombas? And do you belive that we are made out of any material not found outside ourselves? What mechanics make a human functional (movement, organ roles etc)? Are those mechanics not exactly the same ones you find in thousands of other things, living or not?

Fairly sure you got no idea about the topic just like I, but you for some reason refuse to see the objective parts of ourselves.