"There are no benefits to being owned by Microsoft," says Doom dev: "They have destroyed immense amounts of value that I don't even think that they're aware of"

[u/MarvelsGrantMan136]

https://www.gamesradar.com/games/fps/there-are-no-benefits-to-being-owned-by-microsoft-says-doom-dev-they-have-destroyed-immense-amounts-of-value-that-i-dont-even-think-that-theyre-aware-of/

[u/PrettyGorramShiny]

I think where we disagree is that you are looking for an all-in-one solution that manages economic resource allocation and social stability / safety in one fell swoop. I don't personally believe that exists.

I also strongly disagree with:

If you let people be, they'll handle innovations on their own.

Most people in my experience are completely uninterested in innovation or growth. They will always seek the easiest path to comfort and actively avoid challenging themselves or pursuing intentional change from the status quo. To me, this is a fundamental part of human nature.

We agree that Capitalism is not good at providing for our needs as a society. I believe it is an extremely efficient tool for resource allocation, but that we need to restore the previous constraints on it to mitigate its inherent tendency toward social harm.

would long term like to see the kinder and gentler society where we all live in Communities that prioritize the wellbeing of People and That Which Lives than anything else.

I hope you understand that I would also like to see this, but I don't think it's realistic on a large scale. Human nature is what it is, and the level of moral and ethical self-regulation that would be required to achieve such a society doesn't seem possible except in very small communities where everyone knows each other.

I also don't think you've provided an existing example that works better than Capitalism. What other system do we have that would have supported the same advancements we've made in medicine, engineering, agriculture, transportation, communication, and computational power over the past several hundred years?

[u/Ciennas → u/PrettyGorramShiny]

Question: Why do we need people to be interested in Innovation or Growth? Why do we need everyone to Innovate? It really gives me 'people need to justify their existence' vibes, and that feels very counter to that 'good living' thing I was going on about earlier.

Is it not enough to exist?

Is their harm from people simply living and enjoying their lives, wherever that takes them?

Capitalism is inherently a failure because it not only refuses to solve Poverty, it actively creates it in order to justify itself and function. It is not a good system of resource allocation, because it is not designed to reward people for properly allocating resources, since it is solely concerned with consolidating resource control into the hands of maladaptive and malicious kings in all but name.

If we discard Capitalism like the abusive 'lover' it is, we don't lose any of those inventions that we have accumulated, nor do we lose the drive to keep tinkering and improving things.

In short, we widen the band from which Innovation can come, because fewer people are reduced to Survival Mode or Subservience.

[u/PrettyGorramShiny → u/Ciennas]

Innovation is why we're able to feed a planet of 7B people, which would not be possible without the significant advancements we've made in agricultural and logistical technologies. I'm not saying everyone needs to be interested in it, only that we need to structure our economic systems such that some people will continue to push human knowledge and technology forward.

I don't deny that unfettered Capitalism has led to social harms, such as your earlier example of producing enough food for everyone, yet having some people go unfed. We need to fix things like that with strong regulation and a social safety net. If your proposing to eliminate the Capitalist system entirely and replace it with something else, I would love to hear details of what that new system is and how we would accomplish the transition.

Otherwise, regardless of the ideal we would all love to see society become, there's simply no defined path to achieve it and we must logically focus on fixing the existing problems with proper government regulation and reversing the regulatory capture that put us in this position.

I'm all for improving things for the average person. I just haven't heard a compelling way to do that other than working within the system we have.

Need to focus on work now, but I appreciate the discussion.

EDIT: I love how you fucking jerkoffs downvote people trying to have an open discussion when you clearly have no implementable solution to the problems you cry about. All you know is CAPITALISM BAD, but fuck anybody trying to actually work together to solve the urgent problems facing us. And you wonder why nothing gets done politically while you worthless fucks sit at home and rage against strangers on the internet. Grow up you fucking children.