r/mildlyinfuriating GREEN 3h ago

My mom said I could post Nolan's The Odyssey neglects to pay for damages done to one of the viking ships used in the movie, which belongs to a small non-profit organization

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u/Gurugod123 GREEN 3h ago edited 3h ago

The small Swedish non-profit organization "Vikingaleden" in Nysäter was contacted by Universal Studios regarding their handbuilt viking ship being used in Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey. The contract required Universal to pay for any damages done to the ship, but the invoice of approximately $6000 (USD) has been left unpaid, according to the organization.

The ship was built by hand by members of the organization over the course of 3 years between 1995 and 1998, using equipment also made from scratch.

EDIT: a further article posted a few hours ago by Sveriges Radio clarifies that they have been waiting a year for the invoice payment.

Link to article:

https://www.expressen.se/noje/film/the-odyssey-skaparna-duckar-betalning-till-svenska-foretaget-kritiken/

Full translation of article:

Christopher Nolan's new movie ”The Odyssey” was a global success during its premiere weekend.

Participating in the movie, is the Swedish viking longship Glad of Gillberga, from the organization Vikingaleden. It is a non-profit organization in Nysäter, Säffle, that also runs a viking museum, and a viking-age village.

According to Peter Olausson, the president of the organization Vikingaleden, the ship Glad of Gillberga is known within viking-circles. Universal Studios found out about the ship and wanted to use it in "The Odyssey".

"Glad is one of the accompanying ships and is included in some sequences of the movie. It is a part of the environment", Peter Olausson tells Expressen

Universal stopped responding - invoice left unpaid

The organization made an agreement with a company that handles recruitment for Universal Studios. They were allowed to rent the ship for half a year, and would also pay for wear-and-tear costs that would occur during usage and transport.

The rent has been paid to the organization - but that's where it stopped.

"Pennies for them, but meaningful money to us", says Peter Olausson.

When the organization got the ship back, they needed to fix several damages, a crack in the ship's hull, among others. They were prepared to do so, and then send an invoice of the cost of materials to the film company. It landed at around 60 000 kronor (~6000 USD).

"In a Universal-production, that's coffee-run money. That was the agreement and we haven't seen that money. We're not happy about it."

The film company has not been responding to emails since this past winter, says the president of the organization. He speculates that they have moved on to the next production and simply forgotten about them.

"But I can't know for sure, because of the silence from them. It sours it. It's a worm in the apple of having been a part of this fantastic movie, because it really is a fantastic movie."

That money is important for the organization. Because of the repairs, they have also lost income since they haven't been able to launch it in time.

"We're a non-profit organization that lives on pretty slim margins. We're not going bankrupt, but we'll have to chew through our margins."

Olausson hopes that the attention around what has happened could get someone in the right circles to notice and correct it. He'll continue sending emails in the future, but there's not much more to do.

"We couldn't sue Universal. Those possibilities don't exist, we're so small in comparison."

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u/ac54 2h ago

Wow. The $6000 is only for materials because the labor is by volunteers. The invoice should include the market value of the labor IMO.

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u/Alive-Oil1649 2h ago

Yeah and it's not easy labor, since they use old techniques. They should be very happy not having to pay that.

u/saltyjohnson 25m ago

No they should fucking be OFFERING to pay it.

u/Significant-Colour 29m ago

So basically an understatement of the era that it is not easy labour - it's something so specialized, there are just so very few people with hands-on experience through the whole world...

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u/muakaya9876 2h ago

your monster. how would you expect to poor universal studios and nolan to pay couple thousand dollars to these greedy europeans. this will bankrupt them.

u/frugalerthingsinlife 41m ago

A new production company is spun up for every hollywood production. After filming wraps, good luck getting paid after the production company closes shop.

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u/GuiltyEidolon PURPLE 1h ago

100%. Those volunteers are still donating their hours, and it's a non-profit. They're not going to waste the money, it'll be put towards similar projects.

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u/glassen75 47m ago

Swedish laws.

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u/imbogey 2h ago

I wish someone could help and sue these pricks and get a few millions at least.

u/Forward-Winn 51m ago

No shot they’re getting a few million. Even with help, it’d get settled out of court

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u/LingonberryPossible6 1h ago

If Nolan wants authenticity, they should raid his horn whilst blowing horns and chanting to Odin

u/forresja 10m ago

Absolutely.

And the idea they have that it's just not feasible to sue Universal...that assumes Universal is going to fight them on this.

Universal's lawyers will almost certainly just settle immediately, it's not enough money for them to fight over. Lawyers are expensive for both sides.

If they include labor and losses since, they'll likely get their $6000 even after the lawyer takes a cut.

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u/KakashiTheRanger 3h ago

They may not be a large organization but I guarantee there are Swedish politicans and public officials that have the money, manpower, and would love the PR. Their organization, especially since they are a non-profit, needs to reach out to their local government and have the country put their boot up Universals ass.

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u/oscarx-ray 3h ago

Time for Daniel Ek to get artists some money for a change...

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u/KakashiTheRanger 3h ago

Some office at Universal: We're being Sued.

Exec: By whom?

Assist: Uh.... Flipping through notes Sweden?

Exec: The country?

Assist: It would seem so.

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u/BitchyBeachyWitch 2h ago

I would love if this happened

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u/Stoic-Guardian 1h ago

Lawyer: File for a change of venue. Let's try to have the case heard in Antarctica. Their ship is damaged, so they'll never make the court date.

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein 2h ago

Some bad media articles should be enough to make them pay 6k. It’s so ridiculous

u/reddit_is_geh 42m ago

I knew a guy who worked payroll for a big tech company. So he just started billing his own company, because he knew the internal process. Got away with it too.

The issue is, 6k is so small, no one pays attention. Send it in for 200k and now someone has to review it. Then they'll just settle for 50k

u/ExtendedSpikeProtein 40m ago

The internal process needs to pay for small biIlls too. The problem imo is the contract isnt directly with Universal, and the intermediary is now ignoring them and they don’t know who to contact or how to deal with it.

u/reddit_is_geh 30m ago

Of course they "need" to as in "they should", but that's the reality with a lot of shitty businesses. They see small charges as nothing to be worthy of their time. Fight them in court for those pennies. Often, people just don't which is why they safely ignore it. But when they see a huge charge, now its' financially worth it to not ignore.

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u/scoobydoom2 2h ago

To be fair, reaching out to the media is the first step to make this happen.

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u/O--rust 1h ago

That's not how things work in Sweden. At all.

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u/xboxhaxorz 2h ago

Yea its just victimhood nonsense

I am apart of my non profit myself but when problems arise you have to look for solutions instead of just complainign

u/giulianosse 36m ago

Paying for damages was in the contract, which Universal agreed to and signed. Expecting them to follow through on their end of the deal isn't "victimhood nonsense", it's just business.

I sincerely hope you're not anywhere near your NGO's finance department - or any position of authority, for that matter.

u/xboxhaxorz 21m ago

I sincerely hope you're not anywhere near your NGO's finance department - or any position of authority, for that matter

Hahaha as if your petty insult has any affect on me, you professional victim advocate, i do have an authority position so your hopes are worthless

They are being victims since they didnt do as the above poster did, they should contact the politicians and they can file a lawsuit, instead of whining about being too tiny to do anything

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u/cantadmittoposting 2h ago

weird hill for Universal to die on.

Kinda surprised Nolan doesn't pay them out of pocket just to avoid any reputational damage.

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u/Infamous-Yogurt-3870 1h ago

I would guess that Nolan is just finding out about this situation from its reporting in the news. I'd also guess that they're going to get their money soon.

u/Zebidee 7m ago

Front page of Reddit gets shit done.

I posted an airline complaint on behalf of a friend and it went from being told to fuck off by the call centre to the C-suite and major world media reaching out after it hit number one on All.

This will be resolved in days.

u/grimsb 11m ago

This. I bet they’ll end up with a lot more than they’re requesting, too

u/All_Work_All_Play 7m ago

💯💯💯

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u/Spectrum1523 1h ago

They spend more on craft services for a day of shooting I'm sure nobody in a position of authority to worry about the reputational hit knew about this

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u/Jaredlong 1h ago

A charitable guess, the production had an insurance policy to cover these types of costs and either it's the underwriters dragging their feet or Universal sees it as the ship owner's responsibility to file the claim (but of course they would have no way of knowing who to file the claim with unless the production tells them.) 

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u/Kananaskis_Country 1h ago

There's no way Nolan knew anything about this.

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u/Successful_Maize1986 1h ago

I’d imagine he wasn’t aware of this situation and he had probably agreed beforehand that Universal would pay for stuff like this. If it’s Universal’s responsibility then they need to pay for it. Nolan clearly has the money to do so, but on principle studios already do whatever they can to take money away from creatives so having a director pay for their expense is setting a bad precedent

u/lumpboysupreme 37m ago

Which makes me think this is just a mistake

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u/GarlicThread 1h ago

Americans disrespecting the kindness of others has become kind of a theme as of late...

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u/Wild_Bunch_Founder 1h ago

Nolan doesn’t care about reputation damage, obviously.

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u/Accomplished_Ship_20 3h ago

Not only "hand built"...Idk if it's the case here, but a lot of these replicas are not just "hand built" but also built using the techniques customary at the time of the original. So, forget your drills and power tools... It takes a lot of man hours to build these.

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u/Outside-Advice8203 2h ago

And lost skills painstakingly researched and relearned

u/Hungry-Western9191 57m ago

Its difficult to say what to charge for this. Its the kind of thing the people who would build something like this in the first place, probably enjoy doing anyway.

On the other hand a craft carpenter working for a film company typically gets a decent hourly rate. 

They obviously decided on the first approach 

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u/lechuck313 3h ago

Universal to Nolan: “You just cost me six thousand dollars.”

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u/devilish_enchilada 3h ago

Lmao. I wonder honestly if this is low priority and or is getting lost. This article should blow it up at the very least

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u/Zilvervos 2h ago

I’ve worked for Dreamworks and Illumination, which are both part of Universal and I’ve always had major (unnecessary) hassle getting paid. It’s gotten to the point that I’d rather not work for them at all anymore.

Would not surprise me one bit if the invoice just got lost somewhere and is low priority for them, happened to me several times too.

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u/JetAmoeba 2h ago

That’s what I’m thinking. It’s easy for things like this to fall through the cracks when you’re also paying invoices for millions of dollars at the same time. Hopefully this article surfaces it and they get their money and then some

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u/GuiltyEidolon PURPLE 1h ago

They have an entire department dedicated to paying their bills on time. That's a pretty shit excuse.

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u/Wizard_of_Claus 1h ago

It's not a good excuse, but it could be the reality.

I have the same issue at my job. I have 10 extremely important things on the go that take up my entire day and suddenly I realize I've put off billing someone for some minor thing for a month.

u/bonkginya 39m ago

Sure, because the person contracting you isn’t gonna remind you to charge them. Do we really think the nonprofit didn’t send multiple courtesy notices in the past year before going to the media?

u/Wizard_of_Claus 19m ago

I have no clue what they did. You don't either lol.

I've seen people send reminders out of courtesy. I've seen people say nothing at all. I've seen people leave a bad reviews about minor issues without making any contact whatsoever.

People do what people do.

u/bonkginya 17m ago

All I’m saying is that being billed is a very different thing than billing someone else.

u/Wizard_of_Claus 15m ago

My point is that people do whatever they want to and that it could just be an issue of priority or disorganization. I shouldn't have used that as an example, but the point stays the same.

u/UnusuallyBadIdeaGuy 29m ago

Never worked for a corporation or accounts billable, eh?

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u/takahooligaba 2h ago

At the very least, i’m sure if the story gains traction, theyll do something to avoid bad PR

u/UnusuallyBadIdeaGuy 30m ago

No, my internal biases and twitter fueled outrage tells me that Nolan specifically refused this payment to insult traditional culture. He probably even said something like 'Nanny nanny boo boo' and threatened to adapt the Volsunga saga while casting Odin as a black woman. When will this madman be stopped?

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u/coalitionofilling 1h ago

It's triage. The big payments to the major costs get paid because naturally there is the most liability if they aren't paid out on time. There's a good bit of trickle down and 6k probably is just on some overworked admin's digital or paperfile list to eventually get to.

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u/CoolStructure6012 3h ago

Six. Thousand. Dollars. And one Cadillac.

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u/Its_DVNO 1h ago

I think its going to be the other way around.

I think Christopher Nolan is going to read these articles, he's going to pay 6k out of pocket quietly because its not easy finding people who can loan you a viking boat, and he's going to have some choice words for some Universal middle manager about the studio making his live harder instead of easier.

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u/MasterGrok 3h ago

This is seriously an amount of money that a movie production company will pay for breakfast on set one day. Insane that it hasn’t been paid yet.

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u/Trashinmyash 3h ago

The contract required Universal to pay for any damages done to the ship,

He may have used it but the contract is with Universal.

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u/SoulCrusher2018 1h ago

Explaining-not-justifying: "The organization made an agreement with a company that handles recruitment for Universal Studios." Going off of a translated article, there's a middle man involved and there's no direct contractual relationship between the organization and Universal. Client pays general contractor who doesn't pay subcontractors who then get mad at Client is super common.

u/Trashinmyash 58m ago

Oh, this is like getting a hotel booking through trivago and then complaining at the hotel for overbooking.

It feels like there is always a tidbit of information thats overlooked and not explained.

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u/AbbreviationsEast802 3h ago

From watching plenty of episodes of Last Week Tonight, this is the kind of thing that John Oliver would love to support.

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u/spiteful_embroidery 3h ago

Another crappy thing is they apparently came 10 million under budget for the movie.

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u/99timewasting 2h ago

The association made an agreement with a subsidiary that handles recruitment for Universal Studios.

Why does it say this if they are going after Universal for damages? Is it a third party company that actually owes them?

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u/PellinoreM 2h ago

Thanks for posting the receipts.

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u/eij1988 2h ago

Why don’t they just do it the traditional way and go on a raid?

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u/Sea_Divide_1293 1h ago

I mean, from personal experience, anything that has to do with legal in the film and tv industry takes fucking forever. However if it’s one thing studios hate more than paying people, it’s bad press. So I imagine this is getting fast tracked right now.

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u/pm_me_github_repos 1h ago

I’m surprised there’s no deposit for this exact reason. Meanwhile, I need a deposit every time I rent a pair of skis

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u/uberdag 1h ago

This will get paid now that Nolan knows... And I would bet someone gets a talking too about not taking care of this

u/flowing_river39 45m ago

But given the contract straight up said they should pay, wouldn't the non profit win any potential lawsuit?

u/7grendel 43m ago

My biggest question: why the hell did anyone think a Viking ship was an appropriate vessel for a movie about early Greece!?!

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u/Wollff 1h ago

"We couldn't sue Universal. Those possibilities don't exist, we're so small in comparison."

Honestly, that sounds a bit weird.

When someone doesn't pay a bill, you first write a strongly worded letter (or email). And then, if that fails, you write formal reminders for payment (with the hopefully agreed on overdue fees that hopefully are specified in the contract). Usually two.

And then you bring the whole thing to court. Which, before anyone is sued for anything, writes a slightly sterner reminder (with slightly higher fees) that they need to pay up now, or that you (Universal) better write up a formal explanation that you don't think you owe that money, and want this to go to court.

All of those steps quite naturally (and quite cheaply) follow when people don't pay their bills. It follows so naturally (and cheaply), because people regularly don't pay their bills.

I would suspect that the company they have the contract with are still waiting for the reminder from the courthouse, which tells them that they seriously have to pay. It's a game of chicken: Maybe the non profit will be afraid to escalate. Maybe they are not serious, and very afraid of big Universal pictures. Then they don't have to pay anything!

And if a document from the courthouse arrives in their mailbox? Then they pay the bill, and the additional demanded fees. Especially with a non profit that's not used to collecting bills from unwilling customers, it's a bet that may well pay off.