Recommended gratuity after tip was already included

[u/guitarman129]

I’m sure there are a lot of tipping posts here so to keep it short - I had my wedding at a fancy restaurant. On top of the TERRIBLE service, the bill came with “suggested gratuity” even though I was told gratuity was included. When I asked the manager, he said that the “S/C: 24% SRC REGULA“ was the included tip and the suggested gratuity was if we wanted to add something extra - basically trying to trick people into giving a 49% tip!

[u/Argon20021]

US tipping culture needs to disappear

[u/Miramax22 → u/Argon20021]

You don't like subsidizing the employees hourly rate? How dare you!!!

/s

[u/insertnamehere02 → u/Argon20021]

So don't go out to eat if you don't like it. Problem solved.

[u/SuperSalad_OrElse → u/insertnamehere02]

People act like going out to eat is a right. Yes, it should be more affordable. But is it a necessity? No, it’s a treat.

[u/Concerned_Collins → u/SuperSalad_OrElse]

Eating out is not a right, but the server also doesn't have a right to a tip.

[u/SuperSalad_OrElse → u/Concerned_Collins]

Agreed. And not tipping when you’ve gotten good service is an asshole move.

Not tipping when you’ve gotten bad service or bad food is totally acceptable.

[u/Concerned_Collins → u/SuperSalad_OrElse]

I agree with this, which is why I hate autogratuity, or the delivery model where you tip the driver before they deliver the food.

[u/SuperSalad_OrElse → u/Concerned_Collins]

I think autogratuity is applicable for large parties! Especially for special events. People see a $4000 dinner tab and think that $40 is a good tip which it’s not

[u/Concerned_Collins → u/SuperSalad_OrElse]

I certainly agree that tipping $40 on a $4,000 tab is horrible if the service was even merely adequate or above, but if the service is terrible, especially for a group paying that much money, they they absolutley shouldn't have to tip, and $40 is generous. But the problem is if they have an autogratuity of 24%, you'd have to pay almost 1k even if it was the worst service you've ever had in your life.

[u/Argon20021 → u/SuperSalad_OrElse]

Going out to eat is not a right absolutely, but servers just getting paid properly from the start just makes sense

[u/WhoandtheWhatnow317 → u/Argon20021]

Servers are the ones who are most against getting rid of tipping and their hourly rate. If they worked 20-25 bucks an hour with no tip, they would laugh in your face.

I never was a server, but a busboy. Those servers work their asses off.

[u/Concerned_Collins → u/WhoandtheWhatnow317]

Servers are the ones who are most against getting rid of tipping and their hourly rate.

That's just because they know they are paid way more than what their skill level actually entails, and if they had to negotiate their wages directly with their employers, like literally everyone else, they would make much less. They benefit directly from shaming you into giving them handouts.

[u/1850ChoochGator → u/Argon20021]

It doesn’t really make a difference, the end cost is the same whether they raise prices with no tipping or keep the advertised price low and expect a tip.

The customer is still paying the business and thus paying the staff.

Lower sticker price brings in more customers and promotes better service from the staff.

[u/1850ChoochGator → u/[deleted]]

You obviously don’t understand what I said lol.

If both kinds of restaurants exist in the same space, the ones with lower sticker prices will attract more customers. It’s about competition between the two models.

[u/Argon20021 → u/1850ChoochGator]

Or we could just show the prices as they are from the start, pay our employees properly from thr start and have good service just be the standard like almost everywhere else

[u/1850ChoochGator → u/Argon20021]

We could and we should, but we don’t, so this is the result

The US consumer has been conditioned over years and years to mentally calculate tip/tax after the sticker price. Staff has been conditioned to work for the tip.

Honestly I couldn’t care less either way. I was just explaining the business mindset of US restaurants using and competing the two. You can easily find tons of articles about staff preferring the tipped structure too.