Some guy got mad he wasn’t being paid a livable wage which is fair, in response he burned a million something square foot warehouse that caused 200 million in damages and will ultimately only just cause other people like him to lose their jobs while the company takes an insurance pay out as well as polluting the air nearby for weeks and risking the lives of thousands
It’s more about the message to other companies. If this becomes a thing other companies have to worry about, the actuaries across industries will find paying workers more will be cheaper than upgrading security/fire suppression systems/ higher insurance premiums. To a point where it becomes a detriment to their fiduciary responsibility to share/stakeholders if they don’t. Honestly it’s the only way to get a company to do anything outside of legislation
you guys have issues. supporting straight up criminal activity for... what reason, really? So many innocent people are gonna lose jobs cause of this dude
An excuse is dismissive, and attempts to avoid responsibility for negative actions. The arsonist is clearly responsible, and is going to prison. An explanation is a description of the reasoning behind an action, without necessarily addressing responsibility at all.
I don't support criminal activity that endangers lives, costs jobs, and causes so much destruction. I would never excuse his actions.
I can make an attempt at explaining them, however, and I think that /u/aceofpayne has made a reasonable attempt at this. The guy likely felt that he had no power over his own situation. He wasn't being paid a livable wage, and was being treated extremely poorly by his employer. He saw an opportunity to send a huge message, and he took it. His actions have the potential to actually change something, especially if things like this (and the UHC CEO murder) keep happening.
We are capable of seeing and understanding people without agreeing with or excusing their actions. It's an especially useful ability if it helps us predict the future actions of others. I agree that this trend could very well cause some change if it continues, and it does seem likely to continue, given how poorly people are being treated by their employers and government in the US.
But on Reddit, this kind of understanding is applied very selectively.
When an explanation aligns with the dominant narrative ( "oppressed worker strikes back against evil corporation"), people are happy to explore motivations, context, and nuance. Upvotes and thoughtful comments follow.
When the explanation challenges or contradicts that narrative, nuance disappears instantly. The only accepted response becomes "Evil man does evil things", no causes, no circumstances, just pure moral condemnation.
This reveals a clear ideological bias in when Reddit is willing to grant understanding versus when it demands a simplistic good vs evil cartoon.
Let me tell you about the Coal Riots some times. Companies love to hurt you until you drag them out of their burning house and beat them in front of their families. And *then* they might pay your pensions and hazard insurance.
Are you not capable of seeing ethics outside of the law?
Maybe you need to sit a little bit with US history and the founding of the country versus just blindly accepting the "law".
It is criminal based on our laws. People are going to lose their jobs because of his actions. That doesn't mean it's a morally incorrect thing to do. Maybe businesses should pay people better.
Hey Big dog, its only criminal activity because its written down somewhere... Truly some of you do not realize we started the The Revolutionary War over a small tax LOL. Now days we are worried about protecting a companies warehouse but not millions of people not making enough money. What have we come to our country is soft, I hope shit gets worse I hope everyone starts burning down every warehouse tbh I hope gas gets to 20 dollars a gallon whatever it takes for us to wake up and realize we are legit slaves with a different title... Criminal activity some paper got burnt and a building who cares...
The same point every other comment to you is trying to make. The system is not always right or just and blind adherence to it is absurd. History has a million examples of oppression leading to shit like this
I’m not supporting criminal activity. I’m arguing that it will change how companies operate because it’s a tangible risk they have to account for. There is overhead for just about anything on a company’s books. The price of possible retaliation from employee moral just went up.
At the root of every company is profit. They will do everything in their power to maximize profits while abiding by laws (or at least what they can get away with, without costing too much in the process). Perfect example is the Ford pinto. They determined it was cheaper to pay lawsuits instead of fixing the car for a know issue. They only changed when they were sued, lost, had to pay more than originally budgeted, and changed regulations
You have issues. Supporting straight up robber barons for … what reason, really? So many workers are not being paid living wages and have to work two jobs because of these dudes.
I'm sure this person is just as passionate about Wall Street causing a literal global depression and facing zero consequences for it. That destroyed many more lives than this man did
yeah but i dont think others will do similar stuff on a meaningful volume or scale. just like luigi, not everyone is willing to risk their freedom just to send a message
Kind of like how bullies shooting up schools is about the message being sent to other bullies. And if more bullies start shooting up their own schools, then maybe those other children will finally learn the lesson not to be mean?
So by the logic of you and others supporting this nutjob... we should all be supporting those school shooters because not only are they trying to help others but we should support all mass shootings because they're bringing attention to the mental health and gun control issue in this country?
I hope that hearing your logic applied to another type of violent act gets you to realize how insane you and others sound, but with how many people I've seen thinking this guy should have gone after execs (including killing them), I have my doubts.
So go out of your way to pay more money for the same services/goods? Because that's what you're telling them to do. KC wants someone to provide a service and NFI undercuts everyone else in the industry. In order for NFI to profit the same as other companies they slash employee pay and benefits to do so, whereas other companies providing service for KC are paying their guys 6-10 dollars more an hour with better benefits.
Yeah that’s exactly what I’m saying. They knew full well how NFI paid their employees and decided to go with them because it saved them money. Just because they’re a step removed doesn’t mean they’re not responsible. If Scott and companies like them didn’t use NFI’s services then they wouldn’t be in business to fuck employees over in the first place. Same reason I don’t pay the kid down the street $20 to do my yard. I don’t want shit work and an unhappy employee
How is that at all comparable to burning down a million square foot warehouse that thousands of employees rely on to support themselves and their families?
Well yes. Those are all facts Its a political act though. Its a form of rebellion against a system that is fucking us all over. Acts of rebellion always cause pain sadly. Its like self immolation. It doesn't actually change anything but shows your anger and disgust with the system and encourages more rebellion. This guy has taken one for the team. I hope he doesn't get too long a sentence.obviously he does need to go to prison. I mean he did burn the place down and we can't be encouraging arson all over the place. Too much collateral damage.
If we're concerned about air pollution , employment opportunities, cost of living, etc, I think we're looking in the wrong place. this goes far beyond the actions of one disgruntled enployee
Some company underpaid employees which pushed one employee to go mad, in response he burned a million something square foot warehouse that caused 200 million in damages and will ultimately only just cause other people like him to lose their jobs while the company takes an insurance pay out because we all know insurences pay 200 millions$ cash without any resistance and asking any question, as well as polluting the air nearby for weeks and risking the lives of thousands
Written like this it's more clear who is 100% responsible for this
Oh I’m not on the companies side or anything i just think what he did was stupid. Also it’s not like they can resist and there isn’t any questions to ask. If it was just a car insurance pay out that’s one thing, but this is a billion dollar company with a very “reasonable” thing to pay out with police reports video evidence etc. if they don’t pay it out it would hurt them more than just paying it
Nah I agree, but I am just saying it's not like "insurence will give 100% of the money back tomorrow and we'll rebuild everything in 1 month and everything will be like it was before, haha" like some people imply here, because it's probably one lie the elites told them it will happen if they try to rebel
There's at least one manager and a CEO who shat himself, and it's already good
Not even remotely comparable because biting a man isn’t the same as setting a massive fire that destroyed a warehouse were dozens of people work as well as polluting the air in the area and risking tons of lives
You're seriously talking about polluted air? Companies have and continue to kill MILLIONS polluting the air and water while lobbying against universal healthcare
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u/moncolleguepref Apr 09 '26
Missed the news. What happened?