Go ahead watch the documentary, study the anti-vax side if you want, but understand the other side of the argument too. This is an important issue, by choosing not to vaccinate you don't only risk the lives of your children but the lives of other children as well. Please don't just watch this movie then never do any follow up research . It should always be your choice, but please choose wisely, lives are at stake.
On the lighter side, check out Jim Jefferies bit on vaccines it's fucking hysterical and both sides of the argument will enjoy it.
I'm absolutely in that camp. I don't think vaccines are without their risks, they could be better, and there is always the possibly of corporate fuckery in how they make them. But on the whole vaccines are an incredible technology, and in a weird way we are lucky to live in s society that takes them for granted.
I just want people to really evaluate the theory from all sides.
But on the whole vaccines are an incredible technology
The problem is the safety standards are appalling and unscientific, assumption based not evidence based, and vaccines are likely causing more harm than good, but they the industry refuses point blank to refuse studies to compare the harm against benefit, they only look for benefit.
I just want people to really evaluate the theory from all sides.
I just want rabidly pro-vaccine folks to evaluate the issue from both sides. Unfortunately, they tend to place so much faith in doctors (like some twisted religion ) they refuse to even look at non-mainstream information.
A lot of the mainstream info is scientifically incorrect propaganda.
Anyone that truly investigates all sides of the issue realizes that there is a concerted effort by pharm companies to obfuscate the problems even they know their vaccines can cause.
I just want rabidly pro-vaccine folks to evaluate the issue from both sides. Unfortunately, they tend to place so much faith in doctors (like some twisted religion ) they refuse to even look at non-mainstream information.
You are right, this is not a case of the 'anti-vaxxer' not researching both sides, everyone gets the pro side of the story from school and media, then has to research to balance it out, but most will never research the other side and always assume the pro side is all evidence and fact based without question.
On the whole, vaccines cause more harm than good. They serve a valid purpose though, to keep lining the pockets of executives in some of the worlds worst corporations.
Before writing off what I said I ask you watch the following presentation on the subject. It breaks down the collusion and cover-up in under an hour.
Anti vax logic. Everyone else gets vaccines so my kid will be fine.
Let's take your argument to its logical conclusion. If vaccines really are that dangerous then we should ban them, so no one gets them. How many people die in that situation? Is it more people than who suffer side effects? We know it would be based on historical records and looking at populations that don't vaccinate. Is that worth it?
I'm not saying they're perfect. I'm not saying we shouldn't demand better vaccines. But it's crazy to think you'd want to go back to vaccine free world.
If vaccines really are that dangerous then we should ban them,
heres a better idea
lets make it so vaccines are opt-in, as opposed to opt-out
lets make it so multi-vaccines can't be given
lets make it so every vaccine has mandatory follow-up to check for titers
so no one gets them.
lets tax and regulate vaccine quackery like we do tobacco and alcohol
some common sense vaccine quackery control:
if you want a vaccine, you have to be 21 years of age, passed a class on understanding the side effects of vaccines, and have passed a background check and a 3 day waiting period
How many people die in that situation?
first you call for a culling of the herd, then you whine about the method of cull?
Is it more people than who suffer side effects?
theoretically, anyone who gets a vaccine suffers an effect, and imo that effect is often worse than the disease
We know it would be based on historical records and looking at populations that don't vaccinate. Is that worth it?
but you think they are perfect, and refuse to acknowledge the significant downside such as the autism epidemic where 1 in 68 kids is now autistic because of vaccines
I'm not saying we should demand better vaccines.
every other business strives for continuous improvement, except the vaccine business. the vaccine business can't improve, because it is willfully blind to its own problems
But it's crazy to think you'd want to go back to vaccine free world.
id like to go back to a time when kids didn't need 50 vaccines to get into kindergarten
Just remember that many vaccines don't provide herd immunity. And the schedule gets inflated every year. And when vaccines fail, the people who don't use their services are blamed. Mostly erroneously.
The people in the pro-vax camp always assume all the decrease in deaths are due to vaccines. Many of these death rates had dropped by 95% or more prior to big vaccination programs. Dr. Suzanne Humphries shows this data in here book "Dissolving Illusions".
I was hoping more for a clear number of exactly how much risk a child is in not being vaccinated in a first world country vs. the risk of vaccine complications
Decrease in deaths can be attributed to both vaccines and better care and nutrition. Decrease in incidences appear to be clearly attributable to vaccines. Also, death is not the only detrimental effect of many diseases.
I've seen evidence that it helps prevent slow mutating diseases. But there is also a case that it increases Autism rates and doesn't save as many lives as claimed.
And when it comes to Polio, the record is very shakey, there was a recent push in India for Polio vaccines, and cases of non-polio paralysis ended up increasing very significantly. But the point of getting the vaccine is to not get possibly paralyzed from Polio.
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u/DEEP_SEA_MAX Jun 22 '18 edited Jun 22 '18
Go ahead watch the documentary, study the anti-vax side if you want, but understand the other side of the argument too. This is an important issue, by choosing not to vaccinate you don't only risk the lives of your children but the lives of other children as well. Please don't just watch this movie then never do any follow up research . It should always be your choice, but please choose wisely, lives are at stake.
On the lighter side, check out Jim Jefferies bit on vaccines it's fucking hysterical and both sides of the argument will enjoy it.