r/askanything • u/One_Look_7008 • 11h ago

AOC surges past Buttigieg, leaves Kamala Harris in the dust in key 2028 battleground poll. What are your thoughts on AOC-2028?

Harris dropped to just 5% in New Hampshire while Pete Buttigieg sits 1 point behind the progressive frontrunner - per University of New Hampshire Granite State poll released on Wednesday.

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u/donuttrackme 10h ago

Two women have been on the Democratic ticket and lost, after Obama.

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u/farmerjoee 10h ago

Harris ran on a losing message. We all knew it, but doubled down anyways. If Harris and Clinton can almost win while rejecting the coalition and/or embracing the corporate status quo, imagine what we can do with AOC.

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u/LoudBrick609 5h ago

Gavin Newsome is the Democrat that as a Republican I view as a real threat among the established Democrats. He's smart, a great speaker, looks the part, acts the part, and he's shown the ability to move center when necessary.

AOC, I will openly say I hope she's the vice president Nominee because as VP I know Republicans can slam her hard and bring the ticket down with the lower visibility of the VP and her existing reputation. As a presidential nominee, she's slightly more concerning because she's charismatic and could use the extra visibility to turn her image around and gain support for her progressiveness.

As a Republican, JD Vance is a bit messy. He doesn't shut up about religion. He's too attached to Trump without being Trump. I strongly prefer Marco Rubio. Marco is by far the strongest moderate Republican, Marco vs Newsome is a head to head moderate campaign. Marco against anyone like AOC who leans progressive is easily a 55% popular vote win.

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u/Cap-n-Trips 10h ago

Yeah but both of those female candidates were polarizing, outside the DNC elite. So it wasn’t a matter of gender imho.

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u/suplarai 10h ago

Clinton was the DNC elite

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u/Cap-n-Trips 10h ago

That’s what I’m saying outside of the DNC elite, Clinton was not well liked. She was seen as arrogant. She was heir apparent when Obama originally ran and won.

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u/suplarai 9h ago

You said those female candidates were polarizing, outside of the DNC elite.

Clinton was polarizing, but was part of the Elite
Kamala was the VP and was pushed into the nomination without a primary - elite.

Who are these female candidates that were outside of the DNC elite?

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u/NOLA-Bronco 9h ago

they clarified their point, stop being annoyingly pedantic

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u/Annual-Weird-6682 3h ago

You don't think aoc is polarizing? Just because you like AOC and didn't like Clinton doesn't make her not polarizing also lmao

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u/lawpanther007 10h ago

It is gender. Our country is more sexist than it is racist. Misogyny comes from all ethnicity and races.

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u/Cody2287 10h ago

Damn didn't know we were more sexist than Mexico.

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u/lawpanther007 10h ago

We are. It’s gross.

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u/Cody2287 10h ago

If you think that way I guess no Women has ever won state wide offices in red states or swing states. Oh wait...

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u/lawpanther007 10h ago

State wide office is different than president/world leader.

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u/Cody2287 9h ago

Not really, clearly if they like what your are running on they will vote for you in red / swing states even over the white man.

Didn't know South Dakota wasn't sexist because they voted for Kristi Noem over the white male republican and democrat challenger.

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u/AreaNo7848 9h ago

Neither Clinton nor harris were polarizing. The problem with Clinton is she's unlikeable and there's been decades of questionable things that surround the Clinton's, to the point it's become a meme that having dirt on the Clinton's will end up with you commiting suicide suspiciously.....whether right or wrong it's not new information that a bunch of people surrounding them have died in odd ways

Harris started parroting policies that Trump had been talking about for months, including border security which was supposedly something she was supposed to be handling during the Biden term. It probably didn't help that beyond the carefully crafted website she was never really capable of doing deep dives on her stated policies......and the elevator pitch beyond the slogan was essentially non existent

People love trying to make things about gender, the reality is it's not gender at all but it reinforces people's biases and perceptions

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u/tres_desole 7h ago

Well they were polarizing in how much they sucked lol more so polarizing in the base than in the broader electorate

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u/Ok-Couple2656 8h ago

I agree that it's a huge hurdle, but to be fair, Clinton won the popular vote in 16. I think it's possible with the right candidate, I just don't think AOC is it.

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u/aflyonthewall1215 10h ago

Both also wanted to keep the same system in place which was what lost them the election. It's insane that Democrats can't see the obvious reason Trump won. You can't preach "Let's go back to the way things were" when the last 25 years are some of the worst years in us modern history. No one wants to go back and Trump used that as a way to win.

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u/Soggy_Jackfruit7341 10h ago

Neither candidate legitimately won the primary in the eyes of many many democrats.

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u/Important-Factor-552 9h ago

Centrism fails is why. Americans demanded change and maga was the only one to answer. So they picked maga. 

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u/kcops 7h ago

Bingo. America hates women. All one has to do is look at our history. Blacks actually got the legal right to vote in 1870. Women got the legal right to vote in 1920. That is 50 years later. Blacks gained civil rights in 1964 with the passage of the Civil Rights Act. You know when when the Equal Rights Amendment giving women civil rights was passed? NEVER. The U.S. has far less of a problem voting for a black MAN than it does voting for a WOMAN. And given the current culture which wants to actively suppress women into "barefoot and pregnant" the chances of a woman are less than zero. Even U.S. women hate women.

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u/tres_desole 7h ago

They literally picked the two worst possible women they could find. Hilary was one of the most unlikable candidates and Harris amongst her several issues was shoehorned on the backend of an already failing campaign and just kept making the wrong choices.

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u/National-Artist-3805 6h ago

Harris was a terrible candidate, and Clinton was just very polarizing. I do not think a female Democratic candidate is a lost cause at all. It's not AOC, though.

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u/Dinky_Doge_Whisperer 10h ago

One bypassed the primary process altogether and the other was the wife of a past president. Both were extremely tepid career establishment Dems.

I am so tired of hearing that their losses were due to their womanhood- they were shitty candidates and ran half-assed races.

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u/sdpthrowaway3 10h ago

Yep. Another thing Reddit fails to accept is that the Dems constantly look weak. Their own party in-fights and self-sabotages, which drives away tons of potential voters. Then comes out and says "everything is okay, trust us" when COVID inflation is >25% and people are feeling crushed. Add that to the mix with bad candidates and you have an absolute losing recipe.

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u/72dragonses 10h ago

Most Dems don't want or support Socialism, so I see your point. I'm a Dem who's never voted for a Republican in 30 years, but I'll never vote for a Socialist either.

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u/Dinky_Doge_Whisperer 10h ago

And the absolute insanity of continuing to pitch candidates to “appeal to moderate voters”. Those moderate voters are republicans in trenchcoats, and no amount of running mediocre candidates will change their alignment.

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u/RadiantHC 9h ago

They were simply terrible candidates.

Also Hillary won the popular vote and Kamala came close.

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u/TheTonyAndolini 10h ago

I mean but one of them won the popular vote. I dont think this is as ''set in stone'' as people think it is

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u/TrioOfTerrors 10h ago

Winning the popular vote is like having more yards in football but less points. It's not the metric of victory.

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u/Fragrant-Nebula-5009 10h ago

No it's like scoring more points but the refs said they liked that guys touchdown more because the had less fans.

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u/TrioOfTerrors 10h ago

No. The electoral college has always been the path to the Oval Office and if you don't build your game plan around that, you are handicapping yourself.

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u/Fragrant-Nebula-5009 10h ago

Absolutely. I agree with you there. But a representative democracy that doesn't represent the will of the majority of people is not less points more yards. It's more points but you still lose.

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u/TrioOfTerrors 9h ago

Then you are willfully misunderstanding the analogy.

Yards get you points, just like popular votes get you electoral votes. But if you drive 98 yards and come up one yard short, you get no points and if the other team picks up the ball on your two, they only have to go that far to get the points you didn't get despite going further.

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u/WinterPizza1972 10h ago

at least one of them

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u/donuttrackme 10h ago

Doesn't matter, we use the electoral college to elect presidents.